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(Some Guy)   Liberal thinktank visits Iraq and says that despite Democratic conventional wisdom, morale is high and the US has a good chance of winning. The negative media coverage is, of course, all Bush's fault though   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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2007-07-30 5:23:18 PM  
isn't a little late in the day to start a flame war?
 
2007-07-30 5:26:54 PM  
It's never too late for a flamewar.

Hey guys, isn't 'liberal' and 'think' an oxymoron?
 
2007-07-30 5:31:58 PM  
pureobscure: Hey guys, isn't 'liberal' and 'think' an oxymoron?

oh snap .. now you've done it. Que the "fact have a liberal basis"

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2007-07-30 5:33:22 PM  
perhaps the thought of a full scale US pullout, as ill conceived as that may be, is enough to get the iraqis to play ball.

perhaps george w bush does in fact know what the fark he's doing.

perhaps OMG BUSH=HITLER!!!!!!lolercost!!!!1
 
2007-07-30 5:34:03 PM  
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2007-07-30 5:34:20 PM  
I wonder what the morale is like among the Iraqi people.
 
2007-07-30 5:41:13 PM  
I must have missed the part where Brookings was a liberal think-tank.

Oh, and Kenneth Pollack? Hmm, wonder what his motives could be for saying this will all work out if we just stick around a while longer. Gosh, could it be that if we admit defeat, he'll have backed a disastrous policy?

Never mind American or Iraqi lives, there are neocon reputations at stake here, and that's what's really important. Admitting failure would mean admitting that they are failures, and that their grand, glory-hunting experiment is a disaster.
 
2007-07-30 5:41:57 PM  
Ambitwistor: I wonder what the morale is like among the Iraqi people.

Yeah, like they matter.
 
2007-07-30 5:43:35 PM  
kmmontandon: I must have missed the part where Brookings was a liberal think-tank.

Oh, and Kenneth Pollack? Hmm, wonder what his motives could be for saying this will all work out if we just stick around a while longer. Gosh, could it be that if we admit defeat, he'll have backed a disastrous policy?

Never mind American or Iraqi lives, there are neocon reputations at stake here, and that's what's really important. Admitting failure would mean admitting that they are failures, and that their grand, glory-hunting experiment is a disaster.


This fast food culture is killing me. This is not the attitude that built the pyramids.
 
2007-07-30 5:46:54 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: This is not the attitude that built the pyramids.

No, that would be lots and lots of slave labor. Are you saying Americans should be enslaved? Why do you hate America?
 
2007-07-30 5:50:24 PM  
'course the link fails to mention the part of the op-ed piece by O'Hanlon where he says that while there has been progress militarily, very little (if any) progress has been made torwards politcal reconciliation between the factions and without that reconciliation all the military progress won't mean much...O'Hanlon aslo states that we are a long ways from "winning" anything in Iraq.
 
2007-07-30 5:56:51 PM  
kmmontandon: I must have missed the part where Brookings was a liberal think-tank.

Oh, and Kenneth Pollack? Hmm, wonder what his motives could be for saying this will all work out if we just stick around a while longer. Gosh, could it be that if we admit defeat, he'll have backed a disastrous policy?


Precisely right.

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2007-07-30 5:56:57 PM  
"The Iraqi National Police, which are controlled by the Interior Ministry, remain mostly a disaster."

"In the end, the situation in Iraq remains grave. In particular, we still face huge hurdles on the political front. Iraqi politicians of all stripes continue to dawdle and maneuver for position against one another when major steps towards reconciliation - or at least accommodation - are needed. This cannot continue indefinitely. Otherwise, once we begin to downsize, important communities may not feel committed to the status quo, and Iraqi security forces may splinter along ethnic and religious lines."

"How much longer should American troops keep fighting and dying to build a new Iraq while Iraqi leaders fail to do their part? And how much longer can we wear down our forces in this mission? These haunting questions underscore the reality that the surge cannot go on forever."

I can selectively quote as well.
 
2007-07-30 5:57:47 PM  
Brookings was pro-war during the Vietnam era too.

They think Iraq is going well? Oh, they've got a plan for factions to come to agreement on sharing power and oil revenue? img.fark.net
 
2007-07-30 6:04:36 PM  
Great Metal Jesus: No, that would be lots and lots of slave labor. Are you saying Americans should be enslaved? Why do you hate America?

Can I start the slow clap now? Cause that was just beautiful. Well played sir.
 
2007-07-30 6:07:02 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Can I start the slow clap now?

I would be most honored.
 
2007-07-30 6:09:50 PM  
I sense alot of hate and frustration in this thread, and it's unbalancing my chakras. I have, and always will stand behind "In order to prepare for peace, prepare for war." My best friends are over there, and they aren't biatching and complaining about it. What the fark gives you the right to?

Unless youre like John Kerry, and you think our military is stupid, and in that case, I have to ask, WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?
 
2007-07-30 6:13:45 PM  
Dubya is way too stubborn to give up his Iraq disaster anyway, so we're probably stuck there until early 2009.

jhurley

[insert bunny with a pancake on its head pic here]
 
2007-07-30 6:13:49 PM  
jhurley: My best friends are over there, and they aren't biatching and complaining about it. What the fark gives you the right to?

Oh, I don't know, maybe my United States citizenship?
 
2007-07-30 6:14:00 PM  
jhurley
What the fark gives you the right to?

I'm going to take an extremely wild shot-in-the-dark guess here and go with the First Amendment.
 
2007-07-30 6:19:17 PM  
jhurley: Unless youre like John Kerry, and you think our military is stupid, and in that case, I have to ask, WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?

Man, that's a whole bunch of stupid.

I love posts that don't actually make any sense because they're some kind of Frankenstein-like amalgam of disparate talking points. It clearly demonstrates someone who just repeats what they're been told.
 
2007-07-30 6:20:05 PM  
jhurley: WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?

Taco Bell?
 
2007-07-30 6:22:23 PM  
jhurley: ... I have to ask, WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?

The Israelis, duh.
 
2007-07-30 6:27:56 PM  
Nabb1:
The Israelis, duh.


Didn't do so well in Lebanon last year, did they.

Francis Marion FTW.
 
2007-07-30 6:30:06 PM  
Control_this: Nabb1:
The Israelis, duh.

Didn't do so well in Lebanon last year, did they.

Francis Marion FTW.


I was joking:P Still, I love the shout out for the Swamp Fox.
 
2007-07-30 6:31:43 PM  
jhurley: WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?

Oh I know this one... hold on...

Chuck Norris.

/I'll take the gift certificate.
 
2007-07-30 6:33:05 PM  
mediaho: WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?

Shaft! Can you dig it?
 
2007-07-30 6:40:05 PM  
jhurley: Unless you're like John Kerry, and you think our military is stupid

I can safely agree that anyone that joins up now is a blathering idiot.
 
2007-07-30 6:41:01 PM  
way too obvious... go back and try again.
 
2007-07-30 6:45:34 PM  
jhurley: WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?

Not particularly effective against an insurgency
 
2007-07-30 6:50:47 PM  
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Shaft! Can you dig it?


Right on!
 
2007-07-30 6:51:42 PM  
jhurley:Unless youre like John Kerry, and you think our military is stupid, and in that case, I have to ask, WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?

Wayne Industries.

Oh, and "can" doesn't necessarily equal "should"
 
2007-07-30 6:55:24 PM  
jhurley: I sense alot of hate and frustration in this thread, and it's unbalancing my chakras. I have, and always will stand behind "In order to prepare for peace, prepare for war." My best friends are over there, and they aren't biatching and complaining about it. What the fark gives you the right to?

Unless youre like John Kerry, and you think our military is stupid, and in that case, I have to ask, WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?


Go back to playing G.I. Joes outside, kid.

/Your troll-fu needs a bit of work.
 
2007-07-30 7:01:09 PM  
jhurley: I have to ask, WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?

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The candy maaaaaann!


/Attica. I mean that, man
 
2007-07-30 7:07:29 PM  
jhurley: My best friends are over there, and they aren't biatching and complaining about it. What the fark gives you the right to?

Jesus Christ you're a moron, and you're giving your "friends" a bad name.

Anyone can discuss the topic, regardless of political party or whether they have served or not.
 
2007-07-30 7:15:17 PM  
Control_this: Brookings was pro-war during the Vietnam era too.

Personally, I'm waiting for the RAND Corp. Study.

/Obscure?
 
2007-07-30 7:17:02 PM  
Republicans....
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2007-07-30 7:19:06 PM  
What the Democratic majority said to the republicans...

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2007-07-30 7:19:59 PM  
O'Hanlon ignores his own failing benchmarks. Taranto (img.fark.net) self-pwn5 again. How long will Rupert put up with Jimmy's crap? Yet more horsesh*t from Slopinion Journal
 
2007-07-30 7:22:48 PM  
heh ... I read the headline as "Liberal thinktard"
 
2007-07-30 8:30:36 PM  
Cordwainer Deathbird: I mean that, man

[image from my.photodump.com too old to be available]

"Ka-chunk, ka-chunk! I like this cat!"
 
2007-07-30 8:39:49 PM  
We should pay less attention to liberal thinktanks and rely instead on neocon thinktanks.

PNAC was never wrong about anything.
 
2007-07-30 9:07:11 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: PNAC was never wrong about anything.

Exactly, we should invade Iran and see how that works out. I predict nothing but mission accomplished.
 
2007-07-30 9:41:24 PM  
Things always look darkest before they go completely black.
 
2007-07-30 9:44:33 PM  
jhurley: Unless youre like John Kerry, and you think our military is stupid, and in that case, I have to ask, WHO EXACTLY DEVELOPED THE MOST ADVANCED FIGHTING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD? AND CAN IMPLEMENT IT IN A MATTER OF MINUTES?

Tony Stark.

//I'm pretty sure as I post this, someone's beaten me to it.
 
2007-07-30 9:46:54 PM  
Nothing like erroneously calling Brookings liberal and selectively quoting a report, eh WSJ?

Submitter is a farktard for trying to pass off a partisan opinion journal's polemics loosely based on another work as the original work itself. Why don't you submit a link to the farking NYT op-ed and not the WSJ blathering and spin?

Oh, and it wasn't slave labour that built the pyramids. It was the Nazi time traveling UFOs. Duh.
 
2007-07-30 9:48:29 PM  
bales

They look like two welfare queens, so I'm going to guess that they vote for democrats.

/People on welfare should not be allowed to vote.
 
2007-07-30 9:58:38 PM  
Pajamasmedia.com Baghdad Report.
Mudville Gazette
Steynonline.com
You want reports from people who's agenda is freedom and staying alive.
 
2007-07-30 9:59:01 PM  
'/People on welfare should not be allowed to vote."

Peopel who think other people shouldn't be allowed to vote, shouldn't be allowed to vote.
 
2007-07-30 9:59:10 PM  
Kenneth Pollack has been for the war since the beginning of it. Michael O'Hanlon, from readins a few descriptions of his works on the Brookings website, is for "Expanding Global Military Capacity for Humanitarian Intervention (2003)". So, yeah, this is not the story that WaStJo is making it out it out to be. It is 2 Iraq war supporters who have always been Iraq war supporters supporting the war in Iraq.

Surprise!
 
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