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(Politico.cm)   Look out, Culture of Corruption: The Democrats are coming. And they've got a defense spending bill with 1,776 earmarks. Hey, at least it's patriotic   (politico.com) divider line
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valloned
2007-07-26 4:46:16 PM  
Well we all know articles from the Political are...fair and balanced?

/Republican desparation makes me happy
 
Speaks
2007-07-26 4:49:39 PM  
Subby loses again... And in only 2 posts.
 
zobear
2007-07-26 4:57:36 PM  
Nancy Pelosi's on that list twice.
 
Lionel Mandrake
2007-07-26 5:05:26 PM  
I suppose every single one of those earmarks goes to Democrat?

Oh, wait...

FTFA: Rep. C. W. Bill Young (R-Fla.), who chaired the subcommittee last year and previously chaired the full committee, tops the list with 59 projects.

Why do "conservatives" continue to imagine that everything bad about Congress is a bad thing about Democrats?...Congress is nearly half Republican, after all.

Now, 25% approval for Prez...that's ALL GOP, baby.
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2007-07-26 5:45:26 PM  
Mac Thornberry...not on the list.

Good job, Mac.
 
Lionel Mandrake
2007-07-26 5:54:32 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Mac Thornberry...not on the list.

Good job, Mac.

So you sent your man to DC to get...nothing?

My guy (M. Thompson): 3
Good boy...bring money to the district, but don't be a fkn whore.
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2007-07-26 6:14:28 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: So you sent your man to DC to get...nothing?

He was one of 8 (!) to vote against the behemoth "Highway Bill" last year...No problem with that a-tall...other than the fact that he said he was going to serve 12 and out...and hasn't done it.
 
rppp01a
2007-07-26 6:29:43 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Mac Thornberry...not on the list.

Good job, Mac.

I agree. Any congresscritter who doesn't keep stuffing pork into the barrel is a good congresscritter*.

*- for that bill anyways
 
Clarence Potter
2007-07-26 6:30:45 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: "Good boy...bring money to the district, but don't be a fkn whore."

What he said.
 
Saiga410
2007-07-26 6:38:17 PM  
LaHood, Ray 8

R IL18

Bring home that pork, boy, good rep. meh

Anybody have a list to see what they requested?
 
Saiga410
2007-07-26 6:39:17 PM  
nevermind, drrr
 
Descartes
2007-07-26 6:47:00 PM  
When the Republicans had so many earmarks it was wrong.
When the Democrats have so many earmarks it is wrong.

(quickly checks to see if any partisans are blindly defending the Democrats)

*sigh*
 
Hunter7795
2007-07-26 6:51:41 PM  
What's with all the incorrect headlines being greenlit lately in regards to bashing Democrats?

Is it that hard for Republican Farkers to read an article before they submit it?

/or is it you don't know how to read?
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2007-07-26 6:55:37 PM  
Clarence Potter: Lionel Mandrake: "Good boy...bring money to the district, but don't be a fkn whore."

What he said.

I'd rather it never left the district in the first place.
 
larry00
2007-07-26 7:00:15 PM  
Meet the New Boss, same as the old boss.

" TERM LIMITS "
It matters not who proposed the ear marks they are there never the less.
 
BobtheFascist
2007-07-26 7:16:59 PM  
Earmarks. When you absolutely, positively have to get your unpopular pet project funded on the back of the important stuff.
 
FuriousGeorge945
2007-07-26 7:25:33 PM  
Descartes: When the Republicans had so many earmarks it was wrong.
When the Democrats have so many earmarks it is wrong.

(quickly checks to see if any partisans are blindly defending the Democrats)

*sigh*

Am I a partisan who is blindly supporting the democrats when I point out the the person with the most earmarks by far is a republican, half of the top 10 are republicans and out of the top 10 there were 198 earmarks by republicans and 138 by democrats?

But apparently because the democrats hold a very slim majority that means EVERYTHING that congress does and doesn't do is completely their fault....
 
alostpacket
2007-07-26 7:30:27 PM  
Speaks: Subby loses again... And in only 2 posts.

this
 
Saiga410
2007-07-26 7:30:30 PM  
Before people go off too much, go here (new window). Look over the names. They all seem to be defence related being either base upgrades or technology development. Some pork but mostly military related. At least it is not going toward farmers or displaced citizenry like the last(?) military spending bill.
 
Lionel Mandrake
2007-07-26 7:59:54 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: I'd rather it never left the district in the first place.

We all have dreams.
 
martissimo
2007-07-26 8:05:28 PM  
Can't believe my critter Berman only managed 3 in the thing. He makes up for it by being firmly in the back pocket of the RIAA and MPAA however
 
Descartes
2007-07-26 8:14:36 PM  
FuriousGeorge945: Am I a partisan who is blindly supporting the democrats when I point out the the person with the most earmarks by far is a republican, half of the top 10 are republicans and out of the top 10 there were 198 earmarks by republicans and 138 by democrats?

Obviously?
Join me in being a non-partisan by wanting to get rid of all those Republican earmarks (and the Democratic ones too.)

Hey, I'm one of those who thought we were going to outlaw earmarks when we kicked the Republicans out. Only later I found out it was a bait and switch in which the leadership said they were going to get rid of "anonymous earmarks" and I actually only heard what I was wanting to hear, not what was said.

Those earmarks are disgusting.
The Republicans were disgusting in their use of them, the Democrats are catching up fast.
 
Clarence Potter
2007-07-26 8:50:40 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Clarence Potter: Lionel Mandrake: "Good boy...bring money to the district, but don't be a fkn whore."

What he said.

I'd rather it never left the district in the first place.

The zip code where I live is usually one of the ones listed as one of the most expensive patches of real estate in the nation; and with incomes in keeping with that. I don't mind that my tax monies go to fund early childhood education on some Sioux Reservation, or that I pay 4X what the average Mississippian or Alabaman pays in Federal Income Tax; I do not mind supporting these ultra-Red welfare states. What I do like is that my representative gets some transit dollars sent back here, that we get some Homeland Security dollars sent here (much as I love the Sioux, the Mississippians, and the Alabamans, they're all pretty far down on Osama'shiat list), and that my representative makes sure there's good value for when the Sioux sends their kids to school or that the red-state welfare queens actually get the monies they deserve to get off the dole.
 
Saturn5
2007-07-26 10:20:01 PM  
Let's all celebrate Democrats not sucking quite as bad as Republicans!!! Yeah!

/dumbfarks
 
larry00
2007-07-26 10:20:44 PM  
Furious: Yep you figgered it out did you.
Of course you could fall back to the blame Bush/Cheney position.
It's popular and seems to work very well.
 
2wheeljunkie
2007-07-26 11:18:52 PM  
Corvus: What bizzaro world do republicans live in where they blame Democrats for Republican ear marks?

They're like a little girl yelling at her brother
Cos she lost his ball

/sorry
 
FuriousGeorge945
2007-07-26 11:36:15 PM  
Descartes: FuriousGeorge945: Am I a partisan who is blindly supporting the democrats when I point out the the person with the most earmarks by far is a republican, half of the top 10 are republicans and out of the top 10 there were 198 earmarks by republicans and 138 by democrats?

Obviously?
Join me in being a non-partisan by wanting to get rid of all those Republican earmarks (and the Democratic ones too.)

Hey, I'm one of those who thought we were going to outlaw earmarks when we kicked the Republicans out. Only later I found out it was a bait and switch in which the leadership said they were going to get rid of "anonymous earmarks" and I actually only heard what I was wanting to hear, not what was said.

Those earmarks are disgusting.
The Republicans were disgusting in their use of them, the Democrats are catching up fast.

I agree, I don't like the whole earmark system either. I'm just saying that the headline is a complete troll that implies that all 1776 earmarks are the fault of democrats. I don't think that pointing out the fact that it isn't just one side of the aisle doing it is blindly defending Democrats, it's merely pointing out that the submitter is a moron.
 
Skleenar
2007-07-27 12:06:12 AM  
Descartes: Hey, I'm one of those who thought we were going to outlaw earmarks when we kicked the Republicans out. Only later I found out it was a bait and switch in which the leadership said they were going to get rid of "anonymous earmarks" and I actually only heard what I was wanting to hear, not what was said.

It's not the Democrats fault you don't hear what people very clearly said.
 
MickCollins
2007-07-27 12:11:24 AM  
Without earmarks, how will congress give each other payoffs to get re-elected?

//Ban all earmarks.
 
BrotherAlpha
2007-07-27 12:18:21 AM  
Descartes:
When the Republicans had so many earmarks it was wrong.
When the Democrats have so many earmarks it is wrong.

When the Republicans had so many earmarks it was wrong.
When the Democrats come to power and make a move to the right direction, the Republicans say they are just as wrong.

This is crap.
 
Telos
2007-07-27 1:12:17 AM  
Descartes: When the Republicans had so many earmarks it was wrong.
When the Democrats have so many earmarks it is wrong.

(quickly checks to see if any partisans are blindly defending the Democrats)

*sigh*

Dude, read the first two posts.

Talk about blind defense... *sigh*
 
BrotherAlpha
2007-07-27 1:34:34 AM  
Descartes:
When the Republicans had so many earmarks it was wrong.
When the Democrats have so many earmarks it is wrong.
(quickly checks to see if any partisans are blindly defending the Democrats)

Telos:
*sigh*

Dude, read the first two posts.
Talk about blind defense... *sigh*

I don't see a blind defense. I see real points being made.

Image this scenario.

Person A: I tried to use the credit card today and it was rejected. Do you know why?
Person B: I don't know.
Person A: How much did you spend last month?
Person B: I don't know.
Person A: What did you but that put us over the limit?
Person B: I don't know.
Person A: That's it! You spend too much and never write everything down, so I'm talking over the finances.

... month passes ....

Person A: Here's the budget for last month.
Person B: Look! You spent $2000 last month. You are just as bad as I was, so I should take over finances again.
Person A: But you spent $5000 a month when you were in charge. And of the $2000 we spent last month, you were responsible for $1200 of the expenses.
Person B: So? ... You're still just as bad as me.
 
Telos
2007-07-27 1:53:25 AM  
Except that the Democrats are spending less and the Republicans still had the most earmarks.

You're just trying to obfuscate the matter with that example, and ignoring that Person B spent less than Person A, not more.
 
BrotherAlpha
2007-07-27 1:56:01 AM  
Telos:
Except that the Democrats are spending less and the Republicans still had the most earmarks.

I know.

You're just trying to obfuscate the matter with that example, and ignoring that Person B spent less than Person A, not more.

No, in my example person B spent more. ($5000 vs. $2000 in total and $1200 vs. $800 for the one month.)
 
Telos
2007-07-27 2:30:17 AM  
Yes, but the democrats spent less than the republicans but you were representing Person B as the Democrats.

Nice try.
 
BrotherAlpha
2007-07-27 3:18:51 AM  
Telos:
Yes, but the democrats spent less than the republicans but you were representing Person B as the Democrats.

No I wasn't. Person A was clearly the Democrats.
 
angrygrizzly
2007-07-27 4:13:52 AM  
"Extended Shelf Life Produce for Remotely Deployed Forces"

Thompson, Mike

What the heck is that?
 
shift_DAWG
2007-07-27 5:06:48 AM  
angrygrizzly: "Extended Shelf Life Produce for Remotely Deployed Forces"

Thompson, Mike

What the heck is that?

Fruits and vegetables that have been irradiated and/or covered in a thin coat of wax.

mmmmm ... radi-wax-a-licious!
 
Descartes
2007-07-27 6:36:54 AM  
FuriousGeorge945: I agree, I don't like the whole earmark system either. I'm just saying that the headline is a complete troll that implies that all 1776 earmarks are the fault of democrats. I don't think that pointing out the fact that it isn't just one side of the aisle doing it is blindly defending Democrats, it's merely pointing out that the submitter is a moron.

You're right. I misunderstood your other post. I agree fully.

Descartes: Hey, I'm one of those who thought we were going to outlaw earmarks when we kicked the Republicans out. Only later I found out it was a bait and switch in which the leadership said they were going to get rid of "anonymous earmarks" and I actually only heard what I was wanting to hear, not what was said.

Skleenar: It's not the Democrats fault you don't hear what people very clearly said.

"Personally, myself, I'd get rid of all of them," she says. "None of them is worth the skepticism, the cynicism the public has... and the fiscal irresponsibility of it."
-Nancy Pelosi on earmarks before the election

/"No wonder Americans hate politics when, year in and year out, they hear politicians make promises that won't come true because they don't even mean them - campaign fantasies that win elections but don't get nations moving again."
Bill Clinton: August 21, 1992
 
BrotherAlpha
2007-07-27 6:51:39 AM  
Skleenar:
It's not the Democrats fault you don't hear what people very clearly said.

"Personally, myself, I'd get rid of all of them," she says. "None of them is worth the skepticism, the cynicism the public has... and the fiscal irresponsibility of it."
-Nancy Pelosi on earmarks before the election

Descartes, she's one person. She had to fight hard just to get the level of transparency she got, and it was the Republicans who were fighting against her.

You can't blame one side when they make a promise and the other side blocks them from following through.
 
Descartes
2007-07-27 7:18:11 AM  
BrotherAlpha: Descartes, she's one person. She had to fight hard just to get the level of transparency she got, and it was the Republicans who were fighting against her.

You can't blame one side when they make a promise and the other side blocks them from following through.

I agree with you.
What we have now passed 280-152 with 48 Republicans voting for it, not nearly enough.
 
Telos
2007-07-27 8:07:08 AM  
BrotherAlpha: Telos:
Yes, but the democrats spent less than the republicans but you were representing Person B as the Democrats.

No I wasn't. Person A was clearly the Democrats.

Hrm... ok, it's possible I read that wrong. In my defense, it was 3 hours past my bedtime. :(
 
BrotherAlpha
2007-07-27 8:38:18 AM  
Telos:
Hrm... ok, it's possible I read that wrong. In my defense, it was 3 hours past my bedtime.

I know how that feels. I'm the same here, and I still have two or three hours of work to catch up on.
 
Shaggy_C
2007-07-27 10:44:35 AM  
The thing is most of these earmarks are GOOD things, they aren't all pork. The top two guys were both heads of the committee within the last 2 years, so of course they have the most info coming them about needs and thus will be the most likely to advocate them.

Take some of Young's additions:

Environmental Bioterrorism Detection Program
National Terrorism Preparedness Institute Counter-Terrorism Technology Development Training
Advanced Battery Technology
Life Support for Trauma and Transport (LSTAT/LSTAT - Lite)
UH-60 MEDEVAC and Search and Rescue Thermal Imaging Upgrades

etc...

These aren't all crap. In all I'd say 90% of the earmarks are related to the armed forces and make sense to be included with this bill. I don't like all the spending, but at least it's not completely frivolous.


Now look at these:

Northwest Manufacturing Initiative - Baird, Brian (D - WA)
Texas Research Institute for Environmental Studies - Brady, Kevin (R - TX)
Impact of Intensive Lifestyle Modification on Chronic Medical Conditions - Pelosi, Nancy (D - CA)
West Nile Virus Vaccine - Sali, Bill (R - ID)
Lake Erie/Toussaint River Project - Kaptur, Marcy (D - OH)

Horse shiat! What the hell? These have NOTHING to do with our troops, military equipment, or anything even close. These asshats need to be slapped in the face for their blatant disregard of taxpayer money. There's probably more out there but these were all I could find on a cursory first look.

There's your non-biased opinion from your friend Shaggy :)
 
MyRandomName
2007-07-27 11:16:15 AM  
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
-Alexis de Tocqueville

Get rid of the Pork, biggest flaw in our government.
 
Learned Louisianian
2007-07-27 11:40:41 AM  
I'd be laughing my arse off if it weren't for the fact I live here. The last time democrats had the power they almost tore the country apart, financially, and stripped us of our only military defenses almost completely.

This is going to be a hell of a decade coming up.

/sit back and enjoy the downward spiral.
 
elektronic
2007-07-27 5:55:37 PM  
Saiga410: Before people go off too much, go here (new window). Look over the names. They all seem to be defence related being either base upgrades or technology development. Some pork but mostly military related. At least it is not going toward farmers or displaced citizenry like the last(?) military spending bill.

Yeah, most of the projects are pretty legit, but this guy loses:

Christian Sarkine Autism Treatment CenterBurton, Dan
 
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