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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Congress' only Muslim notes that atheists are similarly unpopular, telling atheists that Muslims will always support their right to be atheists. In related news, Unlikely and Dumbass tags killed in head-on collision   (startribune.com) divider line
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Tall Tree Short Branch
2007-07-09 4:01:23 PM  
Surprisingly, enemies of fundamentalism aren't going to team up with fundies to fight fundies. Your religion is purely evangelical. No atheist youth army for you, not yours.
 
stpauler
2007-07-09 4:01:27 PM  
A minority from a liberal district sympathizes with other minorities. Obvious tag is a better fit.
 
NikolaiFarkoff [TotalFark]
2007-07-09 4:03:33 PM  
Apply directly to the forehead.
 
albo
2007-07-09 4:03:39 PM  
you buried the lede, submitter. this is the real craziness:

"On comparing Sept. 11 to the burning of the Reichstag building in Nazi Germany: "It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it and it put the leader of that country [Hitler] in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted. The fact is that I'm not saying [Sept. 11] was a [U.S.] plan, or anything like that because, you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box -- dismiss you."
 
FarkinHostile
2007-07-09 4:04:37 PM  
As long as it ain't Jesus.
 
Action Replay Nick
2007-07-09 4:07:33 PM  
Wow, really? Then they aren't very good Muslims, considering the second Sura, ayat 2-7, kicks off the Qur'an with some good old fashioned damnation for non-believers.

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

Oh well, at least I know I'm only an atheist because the god of Abraham put a curse on me.
 
Eochada
2007-07-09 4:11:26 PM  
Fark off, bigots. As we can all see from so many examples from all around the world, Muslim nations have nothing but the highest respect for those who believe differently.
 
whitetrashcompactor
2007-07-09 4:12:15 PM  
[image from imghut.net too old to be available]

isn't sure how this will effect islam but feels it prudent to err on the side of caution and kill all athiests too
 
Nabb1
2007-07-09 4:13:21 PM  
Sure, if by "support their right to be atheists" you mean "execute them for apostasy" in some Muslim countries.
 
Mordant
2007-07-09 4:13:40 PM  
I fight bigoted fundies here so that I don't have to go over there to do it.
 
Guy Innagorillasuit
2007-07-09 4:15:54 PM  
Puh-lease!

We all know there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim.
 
further
2007-07-09 4:15:58 PM  
Action Replay Nick: Wow, really? Then they aren't very good Muslims, considering the second Sura, ayat 2-7, kicks off the Qur'an with some good old fashioned damnation for non-believers.

Yeah, believe it or not, Muslims are just like Christians. Are you suddenly an advocate of fundamentalism?
 
mediaho
2007-07-09 4:16:40 PM  
Thanks for supporting my inalienable rights. Now if both of you can keep the calls-to-prayer and church bells quieter in the morning, I'll be able to sleep off my hangovers much better.
 
exick
2007-07-09 4:17:08 PM  
Action Replay Nick: Wow, really? Then they aren't very good Muslims

If not following every word in your chosen holy book verbatim makes you "not a very good [person of religion]" then there a whole shiatload of piss-poor Jews and Christians running around, as well as Muslims.
 
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste
2007-07-09 4:17:54 PM  
Nabb1: Sure, if by "support their right to be atheists" you mean "execute them for apostasy" in some Muslim countries.

No no, they mean "support their right to be atheists" by giving them a chance to convert!
 
rodeofrog
2007-07-09 4:18:07 PM  
They're both wrong, and they won't be happy until they join the mormon church.
 
Jon Snow
2007-07-09 4:18:10 PM  
Action Replay Nick: Wow, really? Then they aren't very good Muslims, considering the second Sura, ayat 2-7, kicks off the Qur'an with some good old fashioned damnation for non-believers.

I can't tell if you are just trolling or not, but *shockingly* not all Muslims follow a fundamental version of Islam.
 
mediaho
2007-07-09 4:18:28 PM  
exick: If not following every word in your chosen holy book verbatim makes you "not a very good [person of religion]" then there a whole shiatload of piss-poor Jews and Christians running around, as well as Muslims.

And Scotsmen.
 
Action Replay Nick
2007-07-09 4:18:36 PM  
further
Are you suddenly an advocate of fundamentalism?

Hey, it's their book, not mine.
 
Krymore
2007-07-09 4:19:40 PM  
Action Replay Nick: Wow, really? Then they aren't very good Muslims, considering the second Sura, ayat 2-7, kicks off the Qur'an with some good old fashioned damnation for non-believers.

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

Oh well, at least I know I'm only an atheist because the god of Abraham put a curse on me.

Islam is probably the most lenient of the Abrahemic religions as far as heaven goes. Most Muslims believe that you go to heaven as long as you believe in the Abrahemic God and live a good life. In Christianity it's pretty much purely "say Jesus is God or go to hell" and Judaism says gentiles aren't really human so they never had a chance anyway. I know Judaism doesn't really believe in the whole "fiery eternal hell" concept and I'm not quite sure where Islam's stance on that is, but if I remember correctly it's reserved for people who know God and intentionally turn against him or something along those lines. Christianity probably has the most widespread eternal damnation (well technically Judaism would, but according to that gentiles just die and that's it) but Atheists are pretty much screwed all the way around. I guess that's why it's good to have people in government that can separate impartial secular law from their own personal beliefs.
 
Mordant
2007-07-09 4:20:27 PM  
exick: If not following every word in your chosen holy book verbatim makes you "not a very good [person of religion]" then there a whole shiatload of piss-poor Jews and Christians running around, as well as Muslims.


You get to invoke the "interpretation" rule if your book's instructions inconvenience you too much.
 
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste
2007-07-09 4:22:04 PM  
Krymore: Islam is probably the most lenient of the Abrahemic religions as far as heaven goes.

Not to mention hell. Its only temporary, like prison. You serve your time and then go to heaven.
 
Krymore
2007-07-09 4:24:55 PM  
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: Krymore: Islam is probably the most lenient of the Abrahemic religions as far as heaven goes.

Not to mention hell. Its only temporary, like prison. You serve your time and then go to heaven.

Pretty much like Purgatory then
 
dogdaze
2007-07-09 4:25:56 PM  
Since we're on the subject, why aren't there more moderate, peace loving muslims speaking out against their psycho extremists?
 
Hypersapien
2007-07-09 4:26:25 PM  
This one guy might always support our right to be atheists, but he does not speak for all Muslims.
 
RandomExcess
2007-07-09 4:26:55 PM  
Is Atheism a religion in which one can believe?

/How can you trust a man that is not afraid of God?
 
ga362
2007-07-09 4:27:01 PM  
whitetrashcompactor

isn't sure how this will effect islam but feels it prudent to err on the side of caution and kill all athiests too

being a mooslim must do some pretty weird things to your eyes.

/that pix is great!
 
albo
2007-07-09 4:27:41 PM  
why aren't there more moderate, peace loving muslims speaking out against their psycho extremists?

some do. but i think others just keep quiet either so they don't become a target themselves, or they secretly think the fundamentalists might be right
 
lukelightning
2007-07-09 4:27:57 PM  
Gee, Mr. Muslim, we homos are also unpopular. You want to team up with us? Go Team Islamohomo!
 
Comrade438
2007-07-09 4:28:15 PM  
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albo
2007-07-09 4:28:20 PM  
Is Atheism a religion in which one can believe?

atheism = religion like bald = hair color
 
The Invisible Sky Wizard
2007-07-09 4:28:25 PM  
Lollercaust.
 
Molavian
2007-07-09 4:28:58 PM  
Haha, all you religious people crack me up.

Atheists included.
 
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste
2007-07-09 4:29:02 PM  
RandomExcess: /How can you trust a man that is not afraid of God?

How can you trust a man who is afraid that god will punish him if he lets you go on not believing in god?
 
Dark Overlord
2007-07-09 4:29:05 PM  
Last time I checked, the fundie Islamics ramrodding all this bloodshed wanted strict interpretations of the Quran and sharia law. This means either you are muslim or a slave. Atheists would make good slaves because they have no 'higher power' to pin hope of deliverance on. And, most atheists will believe this idiot. Go for it.
 
serpent_sky
2007-07-09 4:29:59 PM  
RandomExcess: /How can you trust a man that is not afraid of God?

How can you trust a man who believes in some invisible man in the sky with a dead son on a cross who also has special powers?

*shrug*
 
Monkey's Knuckle
2007-07-09 4:30:12 PM  
Imagine no religion. Well, no Islam anyway.
 
mike_d85
2007-07-09 4:30:42 PM  
Action Replay Nick: Ah-hem -> As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

One more time, just in case:

it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them;

Translation: well, your farked... enjoy.
 
mediaho
2007-07-09 4:30:43 PM  
RandomExcess: /How can you trust a man that is not afraid of God?

*blink*

How can you trust someone who derives their morality from some cosmic, paranormal punishment/reward system?
 
xria
2007-07-09 4:30:46 PM  
dogdaze

Since we're on the subject, why aren't there more moderate, peace loving muslims speaking out against their psycho extremists?

There are lots of them. They just aren't very newsworthy.
 
JohnBigBootay
2007-07-09 4:30:56 PM  
There is no god but god. Mohammed is his prophet.
 
sift
2007-07-09 4:31:25 PM  
First of all, hes talking about american muslims, not muslims in other countries, so for the most part he is right.

Everyone thinks muslims are crazy, but imagine a country where christianity is in control. And not america, i mean a country where the goverment is the church with no legal restrictions. I think it would be worse.
 
Dansker
2007-07-09 4:31:30 PM  
Action Replay Nick:
Wow, really? Then they aren't very good Muslims...

It disturbs me when members of a religion tell other members of that religion that they aren't good members unless they're follow strict, uncompromising dogma and fundamentalist, literal interpretations of scripture.
When people who don't even share their beliefs say it, it just makes me want to vomit.

Or maybe it's the cheep beer.
 
Dragonsbreath
2007-07-09 4:31:36 PM  
It is not God I have a issue with but the people who work in his name I have a problem trusting.
 
JDAT [OhFark]
2007-07-09 4:31:45 PM  
I summon Kraaaalik to the thread.
 
I_ROUTE
2007-07-09 4:31:45 PM  
How many Atheist homicide bombers have there been?
 
The Onanist
2007-07-09 4:31:48 PM  
albo: but i think others just keep quiet either so they don't become a target themselves

This.
 
HZS9PK
2007-07-09 4:31:49 PM  
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tweekster
2007-07-09 4:32:17 PM  
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Shot at 2007-07-09
 
mystic_fool
2007-07-09 4:32:23 PM  
A beautiful hallmark of Atheism, as opposed to many religions, as that they generally don't care what people think.
 
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