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(Some Guy At An Undisclosed Location)   All your data are belong to us: How a California lawmaker is fighting RFIDs, and why the tech industry is fighting him   ( divider line
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2394 clicks; posted to Geek » on 20 Jun 2007 at 11:42 AM (10 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2007-06-20 11:47:20 AM  
RFIDs are going to end up lojacking us all. Get rid of them while we still can.
2007-06-20 11:48:03 AM  
2007-06-20 12:18:58 PM  
This is like that one thing that said this would happen. Creepy.
2007-06-20 12:26:29 PM  
So wait, I could get the necessary equipment from Ebay and go sit around corporate buildings and other misc. locations in my hometown, make copies of their IDs - and nothing? As in, it's completely legal?

2007-06-20 12:33:09 PM  
How lazy do you have to be to "need" rfid for financial transactions? It saves only a tiny bit of effort by using it. I'll take the added security of a mag stripe by reaching into my wallet and moving my gigantic heavy credit card 1 foot in front of me.

As for tracking.. Please, don't use the feeble example that it will "keep kids safe". If they start making it mandatory for children to get these implanted (i'm sure it's in the works) so that they can't be abducted, this only serves as an excuse to brainwash them from an early age to accept it.

I'm only glad that the religious right will be on the correct side of this issue. They're constantly worried that this will be the "mark of the beast". Their paranoia can finally be used for good by keeping citizens from being tagged and monitored like animals.
2007-06-20 12:55:15 PM  
i totally understand the scary tag, but the legislator in question certainly deserves this:
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also, MODS, this article really deserves to be in the political tab. i love me some geek ghetto, but RFID laws are definitely capable of generating more than 5 or 6 comments.
2007-06-20 01:22:42 PM  
There won't be a groundswell of public opposition towards unrestricted RFID until Jane and Joe Public are made aware of exactly what risks it poses. The $64,000 question is how to open their eyes to the issue...
2007-06-20 02:41:44 PM  
"When phones were invented, someone figured out how to tap into them, and as a result, we didn't just get rid of the phones."

Very true. Except that I have a choice as to how I use the phone. I make sure that don't do any drug dealing, terrorism, or child pornograpy trading over the phone.
2007-06-20 03:17:56 PM  
I need a Faraday wallet.
2007-06-20 03:45:48 PM  
"When phones were invented, someone figured out how to tap into them, and as a result, we didn't just get rid of the phones."

You can usurp someone's identity with a phone tap?
2007-06-20 04:04:58 PM  
overlord, you can usurp someone's identity with a mailbox. Or a trashcan, if the target of choice is dumb enough to just throw shiat away. One tapped phone call to any company requiring customer support for any kind of account will yield all the info you need to temporarily take command of said account. If said company is a bank, that person is entering a world of pain.

/a world of pain, Smokey
2007-06-20 04:13:11 PM  
Another concern is why RFID technology has to be everywhere. Seriously, what is the big bonus in putting a card on a pad instead of swiping it? Waste? Carpal tunnel syndrome from moving the card up and down?

It seems that the real reason the tech industry is pushing this is because it's new, trendy, and some stupid administrative types are wowed by science fiction and easily parted with their money when a solution is needed. Maybe the real problem behind this is that we need smart people in charge instead of some assholes who crave a BMW and know how to throw money at problems.
2007-06-20 04:41:31 PM  
It's weird that anyone would have trouble with a piece of legislation that makes it criminal to implant tracking devices without consent and in an environment free from coercion.

Because, you know, that's what this legislation does.
2007-06-20 05:25:17 PM  
overlord: You can usurp someone's identity with a phone tap?

"Hello, thank you for calling Comcast, this is Bill, how can I help you?"
I'd like to set up a new account.
"OK, I'll just need a few pieces of information from you, first, what is your phone number, area code first?"
248-555-1313 [DING]
"Ok, and your first and last name please?"
John Smith [DING]
"Home Address?"
123 Main St., Berkley, MI [DING]
"aaaand the ZIP?"
oh, right, 48072 [DING]
"Wonderful, and do you own or rent the home?"
Own [DING]
"and lastly, your social security number?"
369-99-9999 [DING]
"Wonderful, and when would be a good time to set up an appointment to have our tech come out?"
Oh, well, I'm going to be out of town next week, so definitely this week, is Thursday morning available? [DING]
"I have one opening Thursday, between 8:00am and 5:30pm (I hate the time frames)"
I'll take it!

Phone Number
and a time when they'll be away.

It happens.
2007-06-20 06:31:43 PM  
I need a Faraday wallet.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Great minds, etc. That would be an interesting concept, though, put a layer of foil or fine wire mesh in the fabric of a wallet. Or even just a little sleeve for the card. Hmmmm... Perhaps it's time to do a patent search.

Step 2. ????
Step 3. Profit
2007-06-20 07:45:08 PM  
RFIDS are the single most inexplicable pieces of technology that companies are pushing for. Why the HELL have them in CC's? The idea that employing them at all is even getting a second look should make everyone very nervous indeed. There's fundamentally no real benefit from the tech and a massive vector for misuse.
2007-06-20 09:13:57 PM  
RFIDs are a BLATANT violationof privacy.

However, I like the faraday wallet idea. Do these exist?

However it's just a cat and mouse game.... govt rfid tags citizens, citizens use faraday wallets, govt declares faraday wallets illegal (yes, so only criminals have faraday wallets), arrest people for NOT having a rfid tag emission???

// I hope not
2007-06-20 09:25:31 PM  
RFID's should be tacked onto all of those who wish to make RFID's a standard, then we can track them & what THEY do.
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