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2007-06-15 05:30:14 PM  
Well-read Baron

Yeah, its just a shame that he didn't choose to get ill. And its just a shame we don't lock up everyone with an infectious disease. Hell its a mostly fatal disease anyway, so lets just march him off into a pit and shoot him.

Hell, lets get the guys with aids in there too, cause aids is bloody infectious.

Okay, Somebody prolly should call the hyperbole police on me.

But my point is, he felt trapped, his doctor practically told him he was gonna die. If you thought you were gonna die, wouldn't you start doing things you'd always wanted ?
2007-06-15 05:30:24 PM  
He had to have some idea that what he had was very very bad and that he wasn't supposed to travel...that's why he made the tape. Not to mention the fact that his father-in-law is an expert on TB. That alone shows he probably knew something was up.

He wouldn't have been sent to his death in Italy or in Western Europe. The Denver hospital might be the best, but I highly doubt it's the ONLY PLACE on the planet where he could get some sort of treatment. He may think he's special enough for world class, one of a kind treatment, but I don't. He AND his father are BOTH personal injury attorneys. You know, ambulence chasers...they make millions of dollars per year, so if he really is that special, his family does have that kind of money to charter a plane (if the CDC wouldn't). The treatment he's receiving will cost well over $150,000. (According to NPR, treatment at that hospital averages $180,000 per patient.)
2007-06-15 05:32:05 PM  
ChadM89 2007-06-15 02:06:11 PM
I guess I'll be the only one to go against the grain here, and I know how dangerous that is on FARK, but I'll go ahead and offer anyway:

1) His doctors told him that he was noncontagious before he got on that flight. Whether he was or not makes no difference. He was told he wasn't, by his doctors, and his actions were therefore in accordance to that information.

2) As soon as he found out there was a risk, he immediately turned himself in to be quarantined.

So... not quite the douchebag we're all making him out to be?

WELL put
2007-06-15 05:35:31 PM  
2) As soon as he found out there was a risk, he immediately turned himself in to be quarantined.

then why did he have to sneak in through Canada?
2007-06-15 05:36:13 PM  
Ok, just for the ignorant crowd talking about the inadequate treatments he would have received if he stayed in Italy as he was told to do. I hate to repeat myself, but:

In Rome (where he happened to be) there's one of the most advanced istitutes for the study and treatment of infectious diseases in the World. I guess IT IS one of the best places where you could be cured:

"Established in 1936, the National Institute for Infectious Diseases (Istituto Nazionale per la Malattie Infettive "Lazarus Spallanzani") is devoted to the prevention, diagnosis and care of infectious diseases. Centrally located in Rome, it is among the leading health care and research institutions in Europe and throughout the world."

(http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=49474, talking about tubercolosis)



The World Health Organization has carried out the first ever analysis of the world's health systems. Using five performance indicators to measure health systems in 191 member states, it finds that France provides the best overall health care followed among major countries by Italy, Spain, Oman, Austria and Japan.

/that being said, I don't give a damn if you're stuck in the middle of a Martian desert with a drug-resistant TB: if you're told not to leave that place, or otherwise you could end up spreading an epidemy, stay there, STFU and don't put at risk thousands of lives in (at least) two continents.
2007-06-15 05:37:52 PM  
I want to hit that guy in the face like the Capitan did to the Rabbit hunter in Pan's Labyrinth
2007-06-15 05:39:23 PM  
They're taking a lungwad out of the dickwad.
2007-06-15 05:39:57 PM  
MayorYana: Hell, lets get the guys with aids in there too, cause aids is bloody infectious.

I don't see people with AIDS out in public randomly sticking their dicks in a group of people knowing they're infectious.

When is a needlestick or an orgasm airborne in public?
2007-06-15 05:40:42 PM  
NeedsMoreCoffee [TotalFark]

Excellent summary.

Let me add a few details to that good post.

He and his fiancée spent a weekend in Paris, trying to get married by just walking into a city hall and filling out some forms. Typically, in France, you need to give city hall a few months notice, to reserve time when the mayor performs ceremonies. The fastest I've ever heard of a couple getting from proposal to marriage was four weeks, and only that fast because he worked for the mayor (it's going to be a girl). City halls don't even hand out paperwork on a Saturday, although many mayors hold their civil marriage ceremonies on weekends so the couple can then go to the church for the religious ceremony.

After learning they couldn't marry in France with no notice, they called back to the U.S., where they were told in no uncertain terms to not fly anymore. Clearly they had no marriage plans in place for Greece if they made a lame attempt first in Paris.

So they bought a ticket to Greece, hoping to find a quicky marriage there as one of them is half-greek. No such luck in Athens, so they then flew to a resort island to try, and failed, again. So after at least three desperate attempts to get married, the douchebag couple are still officially unmarried.

At that point, they discovered from phoning once again to the U.S., that the authorities were desperately trying to get get them to stop flying.

With the fear of being trapped in Greece, they flew to Rome, where U.S. embassy officials met with them, and informed him about the severity of XDR TB, and allegedly told him he would be flown back to the U.S. for treatment if he did not want to get treated in Europe. Clearly he had his exit strategy pre-planned, taking another flight within an hour to Prague. This pretty much proves premeditated dickwad.

Now, Europe has quite a few cases of TB, more than the few thousand per year in the U.S., with a much higher survivability rate than the U.S. More than 200 people die of TB each year in the U.S., with similar numbers in Europe. There is a private clinic in the south of France considered one of the best places in the world to be treated for TB, and if he had gone there the treatment would have cost about 10% of Denver. It's where all the rich Africans and Russians who catch TB go for treatment.

This has been getting some bad press over here. If it were just normal TB, nobody would care as it would be easily treatable. Western Europe doesn't have TB asylums any more, same as the U.S. you are asked to wear a mask when you go out in public, and the treatment is as modern as anything in the states.

Douchebag or dickwad? I vote for both.
2007-06-15 05:40:57 PM  


/some assembly required
2007-06-15 05:41:33 PM  
Meh, conspicuous consumption is so 90's.
2007-06-15 05:48:16 PM  

1) His doctors told him that he was noncontagious before he got on that flight. Whether he was or not makes no difference. He was told he wasn't, by his doctors, and his actions were therefore in accordance to that information.

2) As soon as he found out there was a risk, he immediately turned himself in to be quarantined.

So... not quite the douchebag we're all making him out to be?

People tend to forget that in today's world, you don't actually quarantine anyone because there's always lawyers around quite willing to sue the krap out of any quarantining authority for infringing on the clients rights to infect anybody.

Remember Patient zero who started the AIDS epidemic in the US? By the time everyone got done screwing around, he had hopped a flight back to Canada, where he happily spread the disease until his eventual death from it.

Then there was that Mom whose preteen son caught AIDS from a blood transfusion -- and since no one knew exactly how it was spread back then, promptly sued the public school to let her son attend when they balked at the idea. It seems they didn't want a potential plague carrier loose among the students. The family lawyer disagreed and won.

In the 60s, every kid entering school had to have his or her shots for Diphtheria, Polio, Typhus, Tetanus, Small Pox and TB. The Government either gave them out for free or made them so cheap even the poor could afford them.

Somewhere along the way, for various idiotic reasons -- like vague, crazy ravings of potential future effects from the serums -- various vaccines were stopped being mandatory.

So, naturally, Small Pox is starting to appear in some areas. Polio, wiped out globally, has started to show up over seas -- which means someone will soon bring it to the US. TB has exploded across the US and European countries -- again.

Humans are NOT KNOWN for their common sense.

It is a 'given' that once populations reach a certain amount of mass that STUPID levels rise to astronomical rates.

Either the Measels or Chicken Pox virus has been linked to the possibility of Shingles later on in life. So, naturally the vaccines are being blamed -- but kids who catch these diseases are no longer quarantined -- so they spread them through the school populations, which still gives everyone infected the potential for future cases of Shingles anyhow. More-so, since they get the full virus instead of the weakened version just designed to stimulate the immune system.

Since TB was NOT stamped out but decreased tremendously, naturally someone took the required vaccination off the list -- along with the required boosters. After all, your lawyer will be happy to sue the krap out of any school system which requires the vaccination and you disagree.

After all, you can't expect much in the way of logical thought from a population which is becoming increasingly obese due to all sorts of labor saving devices, being hammered by the Media that sunlight is SURE to turn them into one, huge tumor if they go outside to play or work, that kids risk being snatched by the mob of pedophiles awaiting in the bushes, home cooked meals are becoming a thing of the past and fast food places not only glorify the million calorie, tasty special but actually reach out and force them to cram the calorie laden junk down.

And then they get lawyers to sue the fast food places for making them fat.

That's like a beer drinker suing the beer companies over his beer gut. (Wait for it! Someone eventually will.)


Like judges allowing a lawsuit for 54 million over a pair of pants to actually go through and the plaintiff to still keep his position as a JUDGE.
2007-06-15 05:49:40 PM  
Hey, Crotchbeard, are you senile or something?
2007-06-15 05:51:00 PM  
Subby - +1 on the submission statement. You did well on the snot factor. Just wanted to point out (unfortunately) that he will likely still be able to breathe, as the size of the excised material I believe was estimated at "golf ball" sized.
2007-06-15 05:53:06 PM  
Heh, sigh. How many people here use anti-microbial soap? How many people show up for work or get on a plane despite having the flu? How many people would have stayed home after being told they have some weird lung ailment which you have no reason to believe is "the plague"?

I suppose if, deep down, I knew I would have been stupid enough to get on a plane with "the plague" I'd be a little too angry about condeming this guy. That's how the ego protects itself.
2007-06-15 06:08:55 PM  
Vosh - We only have the media's input, so I take all with a grain of salt. However, "TB DB" is still DIAF material.

Do you think for one moment given his education that he was stupid enough to not have researched his already known disease? Do you think it possible that he DID NOT KNOW HE PUT OTHERS AT RISK?

Even if that were the case, why did he not do the right thing and not follow the recommendations of the US experts and report to local medical authorities in Europe?

He chose to dupe everyone, and come back home via Canada.
Any problem with an upper-crust doing that after a 2/3 week wedding trip through multiple countries?

If anything, he could care less if he infected anyone else below his station as his wedding/future could be impacted if the marriage did not happen.

Sorry. He FAILED. He now has global media exposure as an a$$. He will not get past that, and the whole wedding thing was for nothing.

He screwed up the lives of his current family, his new family, and his ambitions. I can only say I am happy his ambitions can not affect others past the present as he has already proven he does not care about anyone outside his zone of current influence.

If he actually infected someone else while on his trip, I can only hope that Karma will make things even in the end.
2007-06-15 06:18:19 PM  

Expanding on that, it seems like this 'wedding trip' was obviously done on short notice. I mean, noone makes big plans for a Paris wedding and fails to do their homework ahead of time. Anyone who was serious about this would have known what they needed.

So I would wager that this dickwad only started planning this trip after he became infected. It just doesn't add up that he had this big fancy foreign wedding planned and then this little TB thing suddenly popped up right before he was set to leave. Unless there's more to this story than I know, it appears that this whole thing was planned hastily after learning he had TB.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. Yeah, if you know you're terminally ill you might want to get married and have a European honeymoon. On the flip side, he has to sleep in the bed he makes. If he flies away from the only authorities that know his condition and keeps flying to stay ahead of said authorities, it just shows you are a callous, self-centered asshat who has no problem putting others in mild danger.

Oh, and to everyone saying "well noone got sick so he did no harm!": If you are male, I invite you go to stick your peener in an HIV-positive vagina. Your infection odds aren't guaranteed. If you don't think that's a wise thing to do, why is sitting next to a TB patient in an enclosed space for 4+ hours wise?
2007-06-15 06:22:27 PM  
"Somewhere along the way, for various idiotic reasons -- like vague, crazy ravings of potential future effects from the serums -- various vaccines were stopped being mandatory."

Actually it was so that "Super-Germs" weren't created, such as this TB strain. Basically if we saturate the entire planet in germ-free bodies, the really bad ones don't have any competition.
2007-06-15 07:13:42 PM  
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I think, Andrew "infector" Speaker should have the congressionel medal of honor.
But unfortunately I'm a retard so...

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2007-06-15 07:33:36 PM  
Hi, I'm TB Dickwad, and I need surgery.
2007-06-15 07:57:27 PM  
TB Dickwad- Hi, I'm TB Dickwad, and I need surgery.

My firend, you are in luck! I happen to be the world's foremost specialist in preventing the spread of your ailment. Please wire a deposit to my account in the Bahamas, and I'll get you taken care of. My boy, when I get through, you will never have to worry about TB ever again.

/And I guarantee that you will not be capable of infecting others.
2007-06-15 08:24:54 PM  
"I'm really motivated for the surgery"

OMG. What is this, some sort of farking team-building exercise he's preparing for? Spoken like a true lawyer.
2007-06-15 09:49:39 PM  

I rather suspect that directing all this bile at lawyers is displaced anger that belongs to bankers... but directing it at money handlers, where it belongs, is too hard because we have to deal with bankers and money handlers in our day to day business and being conscious of how we feel about that would cause too much cognitive dissonance... and it would entail REAL WORK; the work of taking a look at how we live and working for change, or being aware that we sitting on our butts not working for change, making us feel guilty, etc. (then we need an a.m. radio blow hard to remind us we have no reason to feel guilty, ahhh, the sweet relief - it's SOMEBODY ELSE'S fault...). On the other hand, hating lawyers doesn't involve any more work than sounding off about it loudly around the back yard barbecue or on the internet.

Or, to make a long story short, again, people are dumb.
2007-06-16 12:05:53 AM  
Baby Diego


/Some assembly required
2007-06-16 09:04:54 AM  
The Speaker case underscored the need to spread the word to all people with multiple drug-resistant TB and a positive culture test -- meaning they may be infectious -- that they should not fly commercially, said Dr. Kenneth Castro, director of the tuberculosis control division at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. FTFA

I think they meant spread the WORD not the disease, when they said WORD. Also, Castro? Conspiracy. Something very very strange afoot in the CDC. Center or Communist, what's the first C really stand for?

"Andrew Speaker is an excellent candidate for surgery," said Dr. Charles Daley, who is head of the Infectious Disease Division at the Denver hospital and Speaker's physician. "The infected area of his lung is relatively small and well contained. He is also young and otherwise healthy."

How many words that begin with D can you fit in a paragraph.
2007-06-16 03:12:57 PM  
Bottom line is that Speaker left Europe with the mindset that his life is more valuable than anyone else's.

Hope his father in law loses his job ASAP.
2007-06-17 12:36:07 AM  
I'll go along with surgery provided it's to remove that big gray thing sitting on top of his spine.
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