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(WCBStv.com)   No, pharmacists. You may not impose your religious beliefs on NJ residents who have the audacity to have different views. Not yours   ( wcbstv.com) divider line
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2007-06-12 11:15:01 AM  
Why, why are you persecuting Christians so?
 
2007-06-12 11:32:12 AM  
It's really sh*tty that a bill had to be passed to force professionals to do their duty. Nontheless, I'm glad.
 
2007-06-12 11:45:08 AM  
Before this bill, were pharmacy owners not allowed to fire pharmcists who refused to fill prescriptions?
 
2007-06-12 12:02:30 PM  
itsdan: Before this bill, were pharmacy owners not allowed to fire pharmcists who refused to fill prescriptions?

Some have been fired, some haven't. I think there's been some lawsuits concerning those firings.
 
2007-06-12 12:15:09 PM  
I think there's been some lawsuits concerning those firings.

Well it would have seen more reasonable to just establish that, crazily enough, you can be fired for refusing to do your job.
 
2007-06-12 12:25:53 PM  
*snort* About time. If you have a moral objection to ANY part of your job, I don't really think you should be working in that job.
 
2007-06-12 12:44:16 PM  
I cannot fill this Monistat prescription in good conscience Miss Merriwinkle. I converted to Hinduism over my lunch break and have a pretty strong gut feeling that your yeast infection is the reincarnation of my uncle Morty.
 
2007-06-12 12:50:59 PM  
Christian Science phamacists are getting a big kick...
 
2007-06-12 12:53:30 PM  
SpaceyCat: If you have a moral objection to ANY part of your job, I don't really think you should be working in that job.

So if you're a contractor and your client wants to put in a BDSM room in the basement, you shouldn't be able to tell him no and to go find another contractor who will?

If you're a grocery store owner and your customers want yams, but you don't want to stock them, they should pass a law to make you?
 
2007-06-12 12:58:14 PM  
So if you're a contractor...>

I think the issues are more along the lines of:

If you work for a contractor who normally puts in BDSM rooms but you disagree with that lifestyle, shouldn't the contractor be allowed to get rid of you in favor of someone who can?

If you work in a grocery store that sells yams, but you think yams are icky, should you be able to tell the customer to go to another register?

There's a big distinction between the owner of a facility, and the employees, and who gets to make decisions about the business practices.
 
2007-06-12 01:05:45 PM  
itsdan: There's a big distinction between the owner of a facility, and the employees, and who gets to make decisions about the business practices.

Fine. Then how about this: I work for a computer consulting company. If someone delivers a computer to my work loaded with porn, should I be able to say that I don't want to work on it? What if my employer is OK with it and assigns it to another worker the next day?

If you're a customer and you don't like it, how about finding a computer store that will take your crusted up box and give them your money instead?

We work with the local police department to forensically examine PC's where child-porn is suspected. We have some employees who don't want to be involved if they may possibly have to view it. As long as the employer is OK with it why should they be forced to do so?
 
2007-06-12 01:07:45 PM  
It took a whole YEAR to get from the State Senate to the Governor's desk?!?!
 
2007-06-12 01:07:50 PM  
nobozo

You beat me to it!
 
2007-06-12 01:07:56 PM  
If your not willing to do the job then don't do it. If you get fired because of it then don't complain.
 
2007-06-12 01:08:08 PM  
Scooby's'pawn: No one gets sick or dies or gets sick if you can't have clams in your BDSM room. God what a stupid comparison.
 
2007-06-12 01:08:21 PM  
We work with the local police department to forensically examine PC's where child-porn is suspected. We have some employees who don't want to be involved if they may possibly have to view it. As long as the employer is OK with it why should they be forced to do so?


Oh but I'm not saying anyone should be forced to inherently. I'm saying the choice should be the employers. Of course it's often in the employers best interest to make allowances when possible.
 
2007-06-12 01:09:08 PM  
Scooby's'pawn: Fine. Then how about this: I work for a computer consulting company. If someone delivers a computer to my work loaded with porn, should I be able to say that I don't want to work on it? What if my employer is OK with it and assigns it to another worker the next day?

If you're a customer and you don't like it, how about finding a computer store that will take your crusted up box and give them your money instead?

We work with the local police department to forensically examine PC's where child-porn is suspected. We have some employees who don't want to be involved if they may possibly have to view it. As long as the employer is OK with it why should they be forced to do so?


Because porn != your medications.
 
2007-06-12 01:09:16 PM  
I think the Eagles have moral issues with winning a Superbowl.
 
2007-06-12 01:09:17 PM  
Can the Muslim grocery store clerks can still refuse to bag my bacon?

I feel unclean just asking that.
 
2007-06-12 01:09:24 PM  
Ha Ha, fundies! Welcome to the 21st century you morans.
 
2007-06-12 01:09:32 PM  
Is it OK to kick the crap out of fundies yet? Can we write that bill, please?
 
2007-06-12 01:09:34 PM  
So the "not yours" thing -- which has *never* worked unless used in a graphical format -- now applies to nonphysical entities? How the hell does *that* work?

(Answer: It doesn't.)

/submitter is a moran
 
2007-06-12 01:10:55 PM  
So they just wont stock it and make it very inconvienient to fill.. and if they all banded together this bill would mean nothing.

And as far as I am concerned, any private business should have the right to sell what it wants provided it is safe and non-descriminatory.
 
2007-06-12 01:11:19 PM  
I think the important thing here is that there are contractors who specialize in BDSM rooms.
 
2007-06-12 01:11:33 PM  
Yes! Today I can be proud to be a NJ resident. I can't believe that some states tolerate otherwise. And for all those saying "why should they sell it if they don't want to?", please. Don't relate porn and S&M to this situation, like the examples above. It's medication that a DOCTOR prescribes. Medication - not porn. If it's your JOB to dispense medicine, do it, or get into a different profession. God knows pharmicists get paid enough to STFU and GBTW.
 
2007-06-12 01:11:54 PM  
/submitter is a moran

Submitter submitted this with a different headline.


/liters are presumptuous
 
2007-06-12 01:12:15 PM  
Just to clarify why Pharmacies need to be treated differently than grocery stores and computer repair shops (although I am really shocked that there are actually people stupid enough to need such clarification) - people NEED their prescriptions for medical purposes! Pharmacies carry out a vital function that people need, in some cases for survival ... if you want to jerk people around and be a coont, don't be a Pharmacist - go to work for the RNC.
 
2007-06-12 01:12:21 PM  
gradatim:

Agreed - these really aren't funny anymore.
 
2007-06-12 01:12:23 PM  

We work with the local police department to forensically examine PC's where child-porn is suspected. We have some employees who don't want to be involved if they may possibly have to view it. As long as the employer is OK with it why should they be forced to do so?


I used to do that but I got fired. Apparently they don't "believe" it took me 2 weeks to research 3 pictures and 1 video. In the bathroom. With my laptop. With the water running.

Their is just no pleasing some employers.
 
2007-06-12 01:12:33 PM  
now if only they would do that in calgary.

/birth control=not so bad
// plan-b pill? boyfriend and i have a couple of stories about that..
///cant sell plan b? they better pull the condoms and other birth control off the shelves
 
2007-06-12 01:12:35 PM  
From TFA: The bill was approved by the Senate in June 2006 and goes to Gov. Jon S. Corzine for his signature.

Gov. Corzine?

Are you suffering from stiffness of the joints, backache, loss of mobility? Ask your doctor about Corzine.
[insert huge disclaimer here]
 
2007-06-12 01:13:07 PM  
gradatim,

Well seeing as how even YOU understood perfectly what he meant, I think that the subby did just fine using it in a title.

\Suck it
 
2007-06-12 01:13:19 PM  
It should be called the "Just do your goddamned job and mind your own business" bill.

Damned Thumpers...
 
2007-06-12 01:13:26 PM  
brap

You are a credit to Fark!

Now everyone is looking at me for laughing.
 
2007-06-12 01:13:37 PM  
dwrash
And as far as I am concerned, any private business should have the right to sell what it wants provided it is safe and non-descriminatory.

Pharmacists are licensed by the state. So the government has every right to regulate them for the benefot of the people.
 
2007-06-12 01:13:41 PM  
I feel subby tried just a bit too hard to be like everyone else. And failed, unfortunately.
 
2007-06-12 01:13:58 PM  
Brap owes me a keyboard.

/still laughing
 
2007-06-12 01:14:08 PM  
Scooby, it's more like me (a vegetarian) working in a butchers, and refusing to sell you some pork chops because I don't personally eat them. You need to brush up on your analogies.
 
2007-06-12 01:14:19 PM  
dynomutt:

It took a whole YEAR to get from the State Senate to the Governor's desk?!?!

What did you expect? It had to take the New Jersey Turnpike to get there.
 
2007-06-12 01:14:22 PM  
Shouldn't it be the patients responsibility to determine who stocks their medication and in what amounts?... just like they should be concerned about finding the cheapest prices?

God you people are so socialist and pro governemental interferences its stupid.
 
2007-06-12 01:14:57 PM  
In any discussion about, say, a living wage or health care benefits, our friends on the Right are often quick to point out that employees can always find another job if they're not happy. For some reason the same logic doesn't seem to apply in this situation.

Odd.
 
2007-06-12 01:15:10 PM  
spiderpaz

Actually, you need grocery stores for your survival. Probably more so than pharmacies.
 
2007-06-12 01:15:19 PM  
I recall some pharmacist who would not sell condoms on moral grounds.

/This stuff is mind-numbingly retarded
 
2007-06-12 01:15:30 PM  
Scooby's'pawn: We work with the local police department to forensically examine PC's where child-porn is suspected. We have some employees who don't want to be involved if they may possibly have to view it. As long as the employer is OK with it why should they be forced to do so?

But then, by your analogy, the pharmacy has to have two pharmacists on duty in case one has objections. As it stands now, if the pharmacist has an objection, the person has to go to another pharmacy. What happens if you live in a small town and there isn't another pharmacy?

Oh yeah, and "computer repair" does not equal "unintended pregnancy".
 
2007-06-12 01:15:46 PM  
Religious cry-babies have loads of scams like this. Just looking to cause a scene, get fired, and then clean up in a lawsuit.

Reminds me of the Jewish guy who applied for a position at a store that needed help on Saturdays only. They hired him, and he immediately refused to work Saturdays for religious reasons. He was fired then sued the store. Ka-ching. Beware when hiring these psychos.
 
2007-06-12 01:16:19 PM  
I am a licensed land surveyor in the state of New Jersey, should the government have to right to tell me what I have to survey.. even if its a toxic waste dump.

And the licenses are only to ensure a standard level of competance, not a standard level of service.
 
2007-06-12 01:16:38 PM  
dwrash

Not providing medication based on religion is both unsafe and discriminatory.

The bill also stipulates that if the prescription is out of stock it must be expedited or the pharmacist must find the nearest available pharmacy to fill the prescription.
 
2007-06-12 01:17:08 PM  
Personally rather riling up the nutcase Christians I think they should let the market take care of this issue.

Pass a Law that they CAN refuse to fill a valid prescription BUT they have to make it clearly marked on the front of the store with a very large sign the drugs that they object to filling.

You'll see how fast those guys go out of business
 
2007-06-12 01:17:11 PM  
No, Mr. Simpson, I will not fill your high blood pressure medication, because you are a murderer and I want you to die.
 
2007-06-12 01:17:15 PM  
Don't most birth control pills have other uses, ie helping a woman control her period, or some other such benefits?

This should be between the employer and employee. If CVS cannot deal with my desire not to fill such prescriptions, they should be free to terminate me; if they can otherwise accommodate my beliefs they should be able to do so. And if they opt not to carry birth control medication at all, that ought to be their decision as well.
 
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