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(Wall Street Journal)   The Wall Street Journal wants you to know that anti-Semitism is good for the Jews. This can only end well   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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2007-06-06 12:18:09 PM  
Exactly! Logic is overrated. You know what is good for all of us? Arsenic. It helps you appreciate life when you consume large quantities of arsenic. Try it and you'll know I'm right.
 
2007-06-06 12:23:42 PM  
The best thing about antisemitism is that people can use it as an excuse to ignore legitimate concerns about Israel's behavior.

/DNRTFA
 
2007-06-06 12:25:54 PM  
Teh JoOoOoS!
 
2007-06-06 12:33:14 PM  
Modest amounts of anti-Semitic speech and unfair criticism of Israel, it seems to me, can strengthen American Jews

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2007-06-06 12:35:49 PM  
It keeps you on your toes.

I make it a point to hit my chica at a random point in the day.

After a week or so, she got better at ducking.
 
2007-06-06 12:45:02 PM  
In much the same way terrorism has been good for the Republican party. Oh wait did I say terrorism? What I meant to say that the constant fear mongering by Dubya kept the populace scared enough that they were willing to elect these idiots twice but you get the point.
 
2007-06-06 12:51:02 PM  
It's the same concept for any group that chooses to market themselves as victims.
 
2007-06-06 1:18:16 PM  
And a little cross burning is good for the black community.

The Bancrofts should just go ahead and sell DJ and the WSJ to Murdoch. Their opinion pages are already starting to copy the style of the New York Post.
 
2007-06-06 1:41:30 PM  
Code_Archeologist 2007-06-06 01:18:16 PM
And a little cross burning is good for the black community.

The Bancrofts should just go ahead and sell DJ and the WSJ to Murdoch. Their opinion pages are already starting to copy the style of the New York Post.


Starting? They've been like this a long time.
 
2007-06-06 1:50:53 PM  
Agrees:

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2007-06-06 2:15:01 PM  
FTFA: "I should say that I'm a relatively assimilated Jew who doesn't care as much about the American Jewish community as a community as some do; I'm much more concerned with the welfare of individuals, Jewish or not, than with the welfare of the community. Still, even I see some value, so long as anti-Semitism does exist, in America and elsewhere, in protecting Israel and preserving American Jewish institutions."

Wow. So you're not connected to the Jewish community, yet you see the hatred of those people you're not connected to as GOOD for them? So you're a space cadet AND a douchebag?
 
2007-06-06 2:18:58 PM  
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2007-06-06 2:20:45 PM  
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2007-06-06 2:49:05 PM  
Somacandra: douchebag

You forgot "Unnecessarily flexed arm muscles."
 
2007-06-06 4:02:17 PM  
Headline: Anti-Semitism: Good for the Jews?
Yes, but only when expressed in moderation.


So where should I stop short? A pogrom? Blaming a poisoned well on them? Wait..wait, can I just not pay back my interest?

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So wrong it's right again.
 
2007-06-06 4:03:23 PM  
You know what bugs me about the WSJ? As farked up as their columnists are, their actual news reporting is among the best in the business. I mean it, it's outstanding, as long as you throw out the editorial pages before reading.
 
2007-06-06 4:05:15 PM  
ahh....so someone needs to go thank the Germans now...
 
2007-06-06 4:07:33 PM  
That's the big problem with being a WASP. Nobody ever gives me any racism I can use.
 
2007-06-06 4:11:51 PM  
It is a bit of a cottage industry.
 
2007-06-06 4:17:20 PM  
Code_Archeologist
And a little cross burning is good for the black community.

Well, that action and, less extreme, more recent actions and views certainly might add to their sense of entitlement.


Just throwing that out there in a non-troll-like manner.
 
2007-06-06 4:26:17 PM  
As a Jew, I gotta admit that this article does have a point. And yes, racism in moderation can help excell groups. African Americans for example. No, I'm not talking about cross burning. I'm talking about some other racist shiat, rap music. Without racism, that n word that rhymes with tigger wouldn't sell.

Then again, it makes me wonder if Jewish rappers could go around using a k word that ryhmes with bike and get away with it.
 
2007-06-06 4:26:20 PM  
d'art : You know what bugs me about the WSJ? As farked up as their columnists are, their actual news reporting is among the best in the business. I mean it, it's outstanding, as long as you throw out the editorial pages before reading.

Wow, I cam in here to say the exact same thing... but to go further and request a different image for the editorial links.

Maybe a big leaf; They've got to be smoking something for their special brand of crazy.
 
2007-06-06 4:30:36 PM  
Then again, it makes me wonder if Jewish rappers could go around using a k word that ryhmes with bike and get away with it.

Klondike?
 
2007-06-06 4:32:35 PM  
Tyke? Strike? Pike?
 
2007-06-06 4:33:11 PM  
Hey Kike, this sentence is doing you a favor. Really!

//oh my
//i can say the K-word, cause i'm a big ol' Jew
 
2007-06-06 4:37:42 PM  
Back to D-Day: heroes all
 
2007-06-06 4:42:48 PM  
Sheesh. What the author of TFA is saying is nothing more than that a trace of what once oppressed you can serve as a helpful reminder to keep one's eye on the ball and that there are still places where lines need to be drawn. I'd be a lot more worried if our reaction to somebody like Fred Phelps was more along the lines of "hey, whatever, that's his opinion, man..." - but it's the far more preferable "not in our town you don't, dickhead."

If this editorial had showed up on an editorial page with a different orientation, nobody here would've said boo.

I_C_Weener: You know what is good for all of us? Arsenic.

Possibly, though in microscopic quantities.
 
2007-06-06 4:43:50 PM  
Does it matter if Mr Volokh is himself Jewish? Just guessing by the name [if that's allowed]....
 
2007-06-06 4:45:53 PM  
I don't know why this is surprising to anyone. Of course it's true. The whole idea of "New Antisemitism" banks on the fact that one cannot/should not distinguish between criticism of Israel and outright antisemitism.

Sounds a lot like not being able to distinguish between criticism of the US Government/War on Terror/War in Iraq and anti-American terrorism. "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists" anyone?

This is by no means a unique phenonmenon. Appeals to race/state are always helped by a moderate amount of bigotry.

We see it happen on Fark all the time.
 
2007-06-06 4:47:38 PM  
Jon Snow, you are on the money
 
2007-06-06 4:50:30 PM  
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Revisionist Zionists like Ze'ev Jabotinsky who openly admired Mussolini lamented the fact that Hitler's anti-Semitism ruined the chances for fascist state in Israel.
 
2007-06-06 4:53:34 PM  
Geico cavemen do not approve!
 
2007-06-06 4:53:51 PM  
As the page was loading, I thought, "You know, I guarantee the headline will be in the form of a question, something like 'Anti-Semitism...Good for Jews?'.

I lol'd when the headline appeared.

"Obama: Working with terrorists?" Hey, I didn't accuse anyone of anything, I was just asking questions!
 
2007-06-06 5:00:04 PM  
It makes me feel good that instead of arguing against the point I'm trying to make, there's a farker trying to insult me and a couple more pointing out the fact that I'd rather not use words that someone else might find offensive.

Nevermind the point I'm trying to make. That would actually take some thinking to argue against.
 
2007-06-06 5:01:53 PM  
Jon Snow
I don't know why this is surprising to anyone. Of course it's true. The whole idea of "New Antisemitism" banks on the fact that one cannot/should not distinguish between criticism of Israel and outright antisemitism.


Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner!
 
2007-06-06 6:19:57 PM  
You know i actually agree with the author.
I think some people in the Israeli chain of command are concluding the same.
It's like an innoculation.In moderation anti-semitism will create stronger semites.The Israel Army scourge of the Sinai and the Golan,destroyer of the Be'ekaa valley got it's ass handed by a bunch of shiates from South-Lebanon and Teheran.
And you can bet your ass there are enough wishing for the competence of a Moshe Dayan or Golda Meir.
Too many victories and you will become your own biggest enemy.Getting moderatly punched in the face once in a while,helps you to stay sharp and not too cocksure of oneself.
 
2007-06-06 7:00:51 PM  
I'd be willing to bet that over 90% of the people that frequently use the terms "antisemite" or "antisemitism" don't know what the word "Semite" means. Every time you say anything negative about Arabs, you're being antisemitic. You know who else was antisemitic? HITLER!
 
2007-06-06 7:02:59 PM  
tatsuma? tatsuma? pick up the white courtesy phone...
 
2007-06-06 7:13:21 PM  
People make this bullshiat argument in a lot of contexts. Basically, the idea is that a community needs an Other or threat to give it a sense of communal identity, so things like anti-Semitism are good.

There may be some philosophic truth to this (certain communities / perspectives exist only as a negation of another, and require that opposition to exist at all), but TFA basically says that moderate levels of actual anti-Semitic activity are good. Yes, Jewish identity may be strengthened if more people are hurting or discriminating against Jews for being Jewish, but how does that make the world a better place for Jews or anyone else? I certainly prefer being assimilated into an accepting society to being discriminated against so much that my fellows felt closer to me from shared suffering.

-a pissed off Jew
 
2007-06-06 7:24:06 PM  
They are using reverse psychology. A true anti-Semite would want to harm Jews, so the obvious course is to not show any anti-Semitism at all.
 
2007-06-06 7:35:11 PM  
7of7: The best thing about antisemitism is that people can use it as an excuse to ignore legitimate concerns about Israel's behavior.


That pretty much says it all. And in only the second post to boot.
 
2007-06-06 8:08:34 PM  
some_beer_drinker: tatsuma? tatsuma? pick up the white courtesy phone...

He quit Fark, but I think he was evidence of this thesis in action. Tatsuma had plenty of fans who only knew him as a Jew standing up to antisemites on Fark and rooted him on without reading his posts. His support for the Haredim and Avigdor Lieberman largely was ignored. Questions of his sincerity in claims of joining the IDF were met with dismissal and presumed bigoted in origin rather than just just calling out a chickenhawk as would be normally presumed. He changed from being a non-religious left-leaning kid to a radicalized pseudo-Israeli who saw antisemitism at every turn.

Krymore: I'd be willing to bet that over 90% of the people that frequently use the terms "antisemite" or "antisemitism" don't know what the word "Semite" means. Every time you say anything negative about Arabs, you're being antisemitic.

As a follower of linguistics, I must correct you. Antisemitism was coined specifically in reference to Jews.

solistus: People make this bullshiat argument in a lot of contexts. Basically, the idea is that a community needs an Other or threat to give it a sense of communal identity, so things like anti-Semitism are good.

Yes, Jewish identity may be strengthened if more people are hurting or discriminating against Jews for being Jewish, but how does that make the world a better place for Jews or anyone else?


It depends on your version of a "better place". This isn't a specific mindset to any one group, it's specific to many. There was a graphic making the rounds on Fark about how Fundie Christians pretty much thrived on persecution rather than actual faith.

Even in interpersonal relationships, if a girl and a guy are dating, and the relationship is rocky, the commitment to it can be strengthened by an outside criticism.

It's just human nature folks. Not a big deal.
 
2007-06-06 8:13:06 PM  
7of7
The best thing about antisemitism is that people can use it as an excuse to ignore legitimate concerns about Israel's behavior.

The best thing about legitimate concerns about Israel's behavior is that people can use it as an excuse to ignore antisemitism.
 
2007-06-06 8:36:53 PM  
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2007-06-06 8:47:13 PM  
Tabatha Static: Revisionist Zionists like Ze'ev Jabotinsky who openly admired Mussolini lamented the fact that Hitler's anti-Semitism ruined the chances for fascist state in Israel

Well, Lindbergh had a problem too.
 
2007-06-06 8:52:34 PM  
Krymore: I'd be willing to bet that over 90% of the people that frequently use the terms "antisemite" or "antisemitism" don't know what the word "Semite" means.

I'd be willing to bet that 100% of you does not know that the word antisemitism was coined specifically as a euphemism for Jew hatred, and that it is not a portmanteu of "anti" and "semite" but a single term whose dictionary definition is hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group.

/I am anti-static, therefore I am against objects that do not move.
 
2007-06-06 8:59:25 PM  
shipud: I'd be willing to bet that 100% of you

Refresh. ; )
 
2007-06-06 9:06:12 PM  
shipud: I am anti-static

Oh c'mon! You don't even know me!
 
2007-06-06 10:45:17 PM  
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Hey, Jesus was jewish.
 
2007-06-06 11:00:55 PM  
I've lately been of the opinion that the Wall Street Journal has become Fox News for the rich. Now I think I will have to revise that. They have become Der Stürmer.
 
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