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(Some Guy)   Kucinich agrees to debate on Fox. This, of course, means he is against black voters   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line
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2007-06-05 11:39:32 AM  
Wow, that guy is mind numbingly stupid.
 
2007-06-05 11:40:14 AM  
and I mean the author, not Kucinich
 
2007-06-05 11:42:37 AM  
strange. and we normally see such reasoned discourse on the huffington post.
 
2007-06-05 11:43:59 AM  
From teh farking article: At every level it looks like he's using race-baiting for personal, political gain.

this author is attempting do the same. why should there even be an issue of "black" or other race of voters? do all blacks vote the same way?

so who is representing the white voters?
 
2007-06-05 11:48:30 AM  
Yup, author is an idiot. As a guy who isn't going to vote for either major party, and who usually just turns to the news channels at the top of the hour since they're all turning pretty much to shiat anyway, I keep thinking that the refusal to debate on Fox, and the rush to do so on CNN sort of brands CNN as the old 'Clinton News Network' of relative liberality.
After all it was run/founded by a strange fellow who is as liberal as they get in a lot of ways, and the main 'star' is a pretty liberal Cooper. Do the Dems not want to reach Fox audience members? Is CNN as impartial as they want the public to think?

F*ck em all.

Idiot author...
 
2007-06-05 11:50:32 AM  
Is it can be thread about Kucinich's smoking-hot wife??

/has hard day
//quit smoking
///middle of moving
//promotion w/no raise
/PLEEEEEEEZE!
 
2007-06-05 11:51:43 AM  
So the Fox hosted democratic debate is going to end up being a few of the "no real chance" candidates then.... I would love to see fox set up empty podiums for the people not showing up and allow the candidates who do to ask them questions just for the "oh yeah, they don't care to show up and actually explain their opinions" empty camera shots...

Would be nice to see nice to see a candidate from either party willing to step up into venues traditionally hostile towards their political affiliation and talk it up.

/just sayin...
 
2007-06-05 12:01:55 PM  
Zarkin Frood: Is it can be thread about Kucinich's smoking-hot wife??

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2007-06-05 12:10:08 PM  
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2007-06-05 12:11:35 PM  
Would be nice to see nice to see a candidate from either party willing to step up into venues traditionally hostile towards their political affiliation and talk it up.

that's what i would do. then you could go in and fight hard and show your base that you're not a pushover. that would help you with them.

the problem is, candidates of either party are hesitant to do that in case they say something there that can be used against them in the general election.
 
2007-06-05 12:14:23 PM  
I've read some stupid left-wing blather in my time, but this ranks down there with some of the worst of it.

Hilarious. I wonder what this guy's Fark handle is?
 
2007-06-05 12:17:18 PM  
This is why an Obama/Kucinich ticket is brilliant. Kucinich can gain visibility by appearing on Fox, possibly leading to conservative males to discover he snagged a good looking chick 30 years younger than him, garnering support that cuts across party lines. With Obama as the presidential candidate, people like the blogger of this story will be marginalized in their protest of Kucinich.

It's a win/win.
 
2007-06-05 12:21:07 PM  
Kucinich is such a dumbass.

What little support he's enjoyed has been from the party base.

Democrats by and large don't see the value of adding legitimacy of holding a debate among Democrats for the Democratic nomination on the official media organ of the Republican party.

He's spitting in the eye of the only people that were supporting him.
 
2007-06-05 12:25:49 PM  
since when is boycotting something the same as running away from it? fox news is not anything to fear, but something to contempt and pity.

and kucinich has zero chance anyway so he might as well do a debate on mtv.
 
2007-06-05 12:31:49 PM  
What a dumb cartoon.
 
2007-06-05 12:33:07 PM  
Blathering Idjut: Democrats by and large don't see the value of adding legitimacy of holding a debate among Democrats for the Democratic nomination on the official media organ of the Republican party.

Perhaps Democrats should try to get their messages heard on any media outlet that will have them, rather than acting like spiteful, spoiled children.
 
2007-06-05 12:34:41 PM  
They are emboldening the propagandists. That seals the deal I am not voting for the elf.

Grow a backbone dems. At least the moderator will not ask "What do you hate about America?"
/Fred 08
 
2007-06-05 12:34:47 PM  
Jef CNN isn't much better frankly. Have you even watched the Headline News Channel? Jesus.

I think the arrogant 'contempt and pity' attitude about the rightish Fox audience is what is going to cost the Dems the election AGAIN.

I sincerely hope the Dems get their shiat together. Whatever third party candidate I vote for will probably not win, and I don't think I can stand another term of the goddamned Republicans in office, so I sincerely hope they Dems actually get it together....

After they get their 8-12 years in, I guess it'll be time to switch.

Can't stand the thought of Hillary getting in there...it'll be a quarter century of Bush/Clinton and I don't think that's a healthy thing.
 
2007-06-05 12:44:15 PM  
Thanks, ozone. The rest of you, DIAF.
/ugh, just kidding. That's the lack-o'-nic-o'-teen talking.

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Goooorjuss!
(My lame attempt at a Steve Erwin accent)
 
2007-06-05 12:46:42 PM  
Hell yeah. Debates aren't supposed to be hand-holding lovefests, I wanna see some blood and guts and crushing humiliation.

/Dennis delivers
 
2007-06-05 12:48:41 PM  
Rev. Skarekroe

Perhaps Democrats should try to get their messages heard on any media outlet that will have them, rather than acting like spiteful, spoiled children.

1) Democratic candidates currently need to get their messages heard by Democrats and, to a lesser extent, independents and non-affiliated voters. Fox is useless towards those means.

2) Considering the current occupant of the White House - acting like a spiteful, spoiled child seems to be very much in keeping with the Presidential model.
 
2007-06-05 12:57:44 PM  
Blathering Idjut Can I ask you a question. From what I have seen of you on this forums you seem to be a DNC supporter. Would you for just an evening change the channel to watch the debat on fox? If so how is the DNC and candidates not reaching thier target audience while allowing others to see the hubbubalu?
 
2007-06-05 1:07:15 PM  
I totally think this author is being childish. I mean I'm pretty sure if Kucinich were getting as much media exposure as the darlings (Clinton,Edwards or Obama) then he could also come out and say that he's against FOX News. Thing is, he's not getting much media support and the only reason people really know who he is outside of his state is because of individuals like us who want a solid candidate and are willing to look at other people other than what the media tells us is good for us.
 
2007-06-05 1:12:23 PM  
So Blathering Idjut figures that since we have a whine-tit spoiled shiat in office, may as well keep that level of discourse?

And why the fark wouldn't you wanna expand the party, the reach of its message and welcome others into it? Seems an awful lot like those kids who stop listening to a band because other people discover it. Don't want any of the uncool people polluting your party eh?

The Dem candidates don't need to reach the Democrats only, that's what they relied on last time. What they need to do, what both parties need to do, is reach Everyone.
 
2007-06-05 1:19:12 PM  
Zednought: The Dem candidates don't need to reach the Democrats only, that's what they relied on last time. What they need to do, what both parties need to do, is reach Everyone.

QFT. Swallow your pride and debate with the Fox assholes. Call them on their shiat when they step out of line.
 
2007-06-05 1:41:48 PM  
Saiga410

Blathering Idjut Can I ask you a question. From what I have seen of you on this forums you seem to be a DNC supporter. Would you for just an evening change the channel to watch the debat on fox? If so how is the DNC and candidates not reaching thier target audience while allowing others to see the hubbubalu?

Democrat and DNC supporter are two different things. I'm loosely the former and clearly not the latter.

Again - currently the Democratic candidates are fighting for the Democratic nomination for President. Your probably not aware that Clinton, Obama, etc. were initially inclined to accept the invitation to this debate but the base of the party - who hate FOX with a passion - went apeshiat. They backed out because the very same base they need to win the nomination won't abide them adding a legitimacy to what is no more than a propaganda tool of the Republican party.
 
2007-06-05 1:46:55 PM  
Zednought

The Dem candidates don't need to reach the Democrats only, that's what they relied on last time. What they need to do, what both parties need to do, is reach Everyone.

Who do they need to reach to win the votes of Democrats in the Democratic primaries?

Look- the typical FOX viewer doesn't watch that channel for information. They watch it specifically for misinformation and to reinforced pre-concieved worldviews.

Fox is not a news channel and elected Democrats would be wholly correct if they were to avoid it as a matter of policy, not just in the case of this debate.
 
2007-06-05 1:53:07 PM  
Kucinich has more balls than all the top Democratic candidates.
 
2007-06-05 2:08:49 PM  
FeedTheCollapse: QFT. Swallow your pride and debate with the Fox assholes. Call them on their shiat when they step out of line.

Precisely. Otherwise, public perception will rightly mirror dogdaze's cartoon.
 
2007-06-05 2:31:54 PM  
fox will spin the debate as much as they can; ask leading/unfair questions, and mercilessly attack anyone. It would be dangerous for democrats to sanction this.

Itll be something liek this

mainstream safe political point #1
slightly left-of mainstream safe political point #1
further-left political point #1 (which probably makes real good sense, but scares the shiat out of freepers)

-then-

the dems, had a debate which we think was won by left-wing radical kucinich
the dems want a radical president in the us. Fox news poll: Would you elect a left-wing radical in 2008 who wants to abort your children and tax your taxes?
k ucinich, a radical left wing nut, who clearly has the consesus of the democrat party wants to have terrorists invade your home
Is kucinich gay? he must be, his wife is way too hot.
Kucinich is gay!

Either way.. The winner of the debate will be used by fox to further attack democrats.
 
2007-06-05 2:32:58 PM  
fox will spin the debate as much as they can; ask leading/unfair questions, and mercilessly attack anyone. It would be dangerous for democrats to sanction this.

Itll be something liek this

<clinton> mainstream safe political point #1
<obama> slightly left-of mainstream safe political point #1
<kucinich> further-left political point #1 (which probably makes real good sense, but scares the shiat out of freepers)

-then-

<O'reilly> the dems, had a debate which we think was won by left-wing radical kucinich
<Hannity> the dems want a radical president in the us. Fox news poll: Would you elect a left-wing radical in 2008 who wants to abort your children and tax your taxes?
<Brit HUme>k ucinich, a radical left wing nut, who clearly has the consesus of the democrat party wants to have terrorists invade your home
<Bill Kristol> Is kucinich gay? he must be, his wife is way too hot.
<O'Reilly> Kucinich is gay!

Either way.. The winner of the debate will be used by fox to further attack democrats.
 
2007-06-05 2:43:02 PM  
Rev. Skarekroe: Perhaps Democrats should try to get their messages heard on any media outlet that will have them, rather than acting like spiteful, spoiled children.

Yes, they should make time to appear on every cable access show and podcast in America. *cough*

Fox News simply isn't that relevant for a Democratic Primary debate.
 
2007-06-05 2:59:36 PM  
Yes larsinio, would you like to join me in condeming MSNBC though for asking leading and non issue questions. My favorites from the 1st repub debate are "Do you beleve in evolution?", "What do you hate about America?" leading and also non applicable to policy.

In other words, you will get over it.
 
2007-06-05 3:29:51 PM  
So when are the republicans doing a debate on Air America, or maybe a chat on dailykos?
 
2007-06-05 3:29:54 PM  
Zednought: >I sincerely hope the evil-party #2 get their shiat together. Whatever third party candidate I vote for will probably not win, and I don't think I can stand another term of the goddamned evil-party #1 in office, so I sincerely hope they evil-party #2 actually get it together..

There, fixed it for you.
 
2007-06-05 3:33:50 PM  
larsinio fox will spin the debate as much as they can

Exactly - so why add to it by letting them (legitimately) call the dems pussies for not showing up? And that you don't care about black people, to boot?
 
2007-06-05 3:58:37 PM  
BooBoo23: Otherwise, public perception will rightly mirror dogdaze's cartoon.


Exactly. And you know they'll treat the candidates like shiat if they don't throw them a bone.


As much has been made about the "Evil Liberal Media", I'm pretty sure a lot of it comes down to how you treat the media. If you accuse it of practically helping out all that is wrong in Iraq, like Bush has, then of course they're going to treat you like shiat and harp on you about bullshiat.


But if you play nice...

Like it or not, Fox News IS the highest rated cable news outlet, so it'd be retarded to tell them to fark off when trying to sell your message.
 
2007-06-05 4:26:43 PM  
So, does this mean that Fox News is Joseph Goebbels, and the Congressional Black Caucus is Hitler?

Or is it the other way around?

/nobody had mentioned Hitler yet
//had to give it a shot
 
2007-06-05 5:04:19 PM  
Blathering Idjut: Democrats by and large don't see the value of adding legitimacy of holding a debate among Democrats for the Democratic nomination on the official media organ of the Republican party.

Ever here of the New Deal coalition? FDR was able to unite a multitude of ideologies and peoples (political machines, organized labor, minorities, southern democrats, liberals and conservatives) to win the presidency. There are still conservatives in the democratic party and they might not trust the Republican candidates or the major runners in the DNC. They can see that while Kucinich is a liberal he might be the better alternative to the mainstream. He can show that he actually cares enough to come out and argue his points and that the mainstream does not care. This move can possibly (but not bloody likely) unite the factions of the party to actually win the White House.
 
2007-06-05 5:06:26 PM  
Would it be tin-foilish of me to observe that when the Democrats actually seem likely to win, the number of people ranting "both parties are evil in evilish ways" and "a pox on both their houses" goes drastically up?
 
2007-06-05 5:06:34 PM  
I meant to say "Ever hear of the New Deal coalition?" as opposed to "Ever here of the New Deal Coalition?"

/looks like an idiot now
 
2007-06-05 6:11:26 PM  
Aar1012

Ever here of the New Deal coalition? FDR was able to unite a multitude of ideologies and peoples (political machines, organized labor, minorities, southern democrats, liberals and conservatives) to win the presidency.

Ever heard of the Great Depression? The New Deal coalition didn't happen in a vacuum, bub.

What's more: if Roosevelt had to face the likes of FOX the New Deal may never have happened. Brit Hume would've led with stories like "Soup lines - reality or liberal propoganda?"

Plus the idea that any self-described conservative would sit down and watch a Democratic debate while rubbing his chin and saying "hmmm, that fellow is a Democrat but he makes some good points" is absurd to the point of stupid.

FeedTheCollapse

Like it or not, Fox News IS the highest rated cable news outlet, so it'd be retarded to tell them to fark off when trying to sell your message.

They're not really a news network regardless of how many people watch. They're a conservative media outlet. That's why Dems ought to tell 'em to fark off as a regular rule.
 
2007-06-05 6:23:58 PM  
Blathering Idjut: They're not really a news network regardless of how many people watch.


tomatoes, to-mah-toes.

I'm more than sure that Fox's rating dominance has to do with their shows having a bigger entertainment factor rather than any delivery of the news, but still, someone is watching. And again, if you're going to tell the media to fark off, they're going to say "right back at ya."
 
2007-06-05 6:50:08 PM  
Blathering Idjut Plus the idea that any self-described conservative would sit down and watch a Democratic debate while rubbing his chin and saying "hmmm, that fellow is a Democrat but he makes some good points" is absurd to the point of stupid.

Errr well this self proclamed conservative did just that with the debate on Sunday. Fine I yelled at the screen when they started talking about new federal projects and where the money will come from but I did listen. The debate and the ideas therein created for me and my wife a good 2 hour dialog about how this country should proceed while utilizing a few of the ideas given. But then again I try to remove myself from partisan asshattery unlike some.
 
2007-06-05 7:18:25 PM  
black voters

Isn't that an oxymoron?
 
2007-06-05 7:33:25 PM  
I don't understand this whole attitude that all Republicans and Conservatives are idiots. Just don't get it. From Blathering Idjut, which seems more and more apropos we get a lot of elitist You're Liberal or Stewpid statements, which seems a bit pretentious. I happen to know some conservatives. And some liberals. The idiot factor, believe it or not, is about equal. The same level of intellect exists in the folks that believe either Bill O'Reilly or Jon Stewart are Journalists or Newsmen. I watch the Daily Show, except during election season, when it became all too obvious that Jon Stewart LOVES the taste of Democratic Party Butthole, and he is a COMEDIAN, not a newsman, and actually has a pretty loose grasp on the bigger picture. He is pithy and pretty funny though.


It is exactly this attitude, that the conservatives are nearly subhuman mouth breathing trogs that will keep the Dems from recruiting fresh blood, and getting the 'conservative' or just plain registered Republicans to switch sides for a vote or two. Same way the Republican party lost so much opportunity when it catered to the BibleThumpin' crowd and started screamin' about Hippie Commie Pinkos etc.

FWIW, the last time I voted for a major party was for the first term of Clinton. Liked his ideas on Medicine and College really. I wasn't a Democrat.
 
2007-06-05 8:59:21 PM  
Blathering Idjut: Ever heard of the Great Depression? The New Deal coalition didn't happen in a vacuum, bub.

But it continued up until the sixties. While it may not be the same as the New Deal, the war in Iraq could be the catalyst to start it.
 
2007-06-06 12:58:06 PM  
revskippy: Would be nice to see nice to see a candidate from either party willing to step up into venues traditionally hostile towards their political affiliation and talk it up.

ONCE AGAIN...

Debates are NOT a venue to answer hostile questions. Debates (ideally) are venues to discuss facets of our government and society - what our society's problems are and how the candidates would deal with them.

Journalists (acting as journalists) are supposed to ask the hard-hitting questions of candidates. Journalists (acting as debate moderators) are not.

Fox News has drawn the line in the sand and has repeatedly shown itself to be nothing but a whore for the GOP. If I were an elected Democrat, I'd spit on them whenever they walked near. Any "news" agency that spreads those kinds of lies deserves no better.

YES, each and every candidate should be able to answer hard-hitting questions of journalists on a one-on-one session.

NO, they do not have to treat Fox News as a legitimate news source. Because they are clearly not.
 
2007-06-06 3:48:04 PM  
That has been a Democratic weapon for decades. If someone disagrees with you, they are labeled a racist, sexist ect.

Reasons for disagreeing be damned.
 
2007-06-07 1:37:36 AM  
So I take it that there are NO biases and NO biased individuals on any of the other networks?
Apparently media bias never existed until Fox News invented it.
Amazing!
In its early days TIME magazine was extremely right wing. It was in fact nearly reactionary. FDR was ALWAYS civil to the Time's reporters even though the magazine, in his first terms, was one of his strongest critics.

Threads like this convince me that most Farkers, and most of the general population for that matter, are morons!
 
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