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(Breitbart.com)   Dems to GOP: We're in UR churches, stealin UR sheep   (breitbart.com) divider line
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726 clicks; posted to Politics » on 05 Jun 2007 at 11:46 AM (15 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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Treygreen13
2007-06-05 11:49:13 AM  
I figured this would get an "obvious" tag.
 
UberDave [OhFark]
2007-06-05 11:51:06 AM  
I don't know if that will work. Trouble is, sheep are very dim. Once they get an idea in their heads, there's no shifting it.
 
Poopspasm
2007-06-05 11:52:39 AM  
Well, the R's haven't really offered much more than empty rhetoric...

Just saying
 
Mighty_Dog
2007-06-05 11:52:55 AM  
Oh. Great.

Another Hillary/Obama thread.
 
ComicBookGuy
2007-06-05 11:54:47 AM  
UberDave: I don't know if that will work. Trouble is, sheep are very dim. Once they get an idea in their heads, there's no shifting it.

Hence the "unlikely" tag.

I'm sure Jesus would have been all for making the wealthy wealthier (at everyone else's expense, ofc), raping/destroying the earth, WAR, and so on, so these good "Christians" will not stray!!!
 
Adman12
2007-06-05 11:56:03 AM  
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Fundamentalist Democrats? Never heard of such a thing.
 
togamoos
2007-06-05 11:56:24 AM  
+1 for making me wonder how a story about churches could possibly involve (real) sheep, until I slapped my forehead five seconds later.
 
xalres
2007-06-05 11:56:38 AM  
Jesus was a liberal jew!

What? He was.
 
Counter_Intelligent
2007-06-05 11:57:33 AM  
Politicians (and a good deal of people) don't even understand what faith means.
 
togamoos
2007-06-05 11:58:50 AM  
ComicBookGuy: I'm sure Jesus would have been all for making the wealthy wealthier (at everyone else's expense, ofc), raping/destroying the earth, WAR, and so on

Yeah, he was just in it for the pussy.
 
chansen
2007-06-05 12:00:33 PM  
Politicians (and a good deal of people) don't even understand what faith means.

To believe without reason? Bush has faith the war in Iraq is going well.
 
7of7
2007-06-05 12:02:10 PM  
Any politician who mentions their "faith" immediately loses my vote.
 
UberDave [OhFark]
2007-06-05 12:03:34 PM  
ComicBookGuy: Hence the "unlikely" tag.

I'm sure Jesus would have been all for making the wealthy wealthier (at everyone else's expense, ofc), raping/destroying the earth, WAR, and so on, so these good "Christians" will not stray!!!


I know what I posted can't be obscure....especially for ComicBookGuy.
 
caiteach
2007-06-05 12:04:37 PM  
Considering the leading Republican candidates right now are a Mormon and a guy with a trophy wife, it's not hard to see that the Christians might be just a little disillusioned with the party right now.
 
Treygreen13
2007-06-05 12:05:30 PM  
UberDave:
You've just got to teach them the right songs and slogans.
(and have no qualms about changing the rules)
 
Arnold T Pants
2007-06-05 12:12:09 PM  
Seeing most liberals hate or think very poorly of religious people I don't see this happening. Case in point: headline calling them sheep.
 
Counter_Intelligent
2007-06-05 12:14:32 PM  
Arnold T Pants

Don't tell your pastor this, but liberals are religious, too. Chances are, most of them are Christians.
 
HAMMERTOE
2007-06-05 12:15:38 PM  
ComicBookGuy: 'm sure Jesus would have been all for making the wealthy wealthier (at everyone else's expense, ofc), raping/destroying the earth, WAR, and so on, so these good "Christians" will not stray!!!

No, actually Jesus was all about loafing around. He was a carpenter by trade. All the freaking buildings around that scream, "George Washington slept here!" Not one single edifice stating, "Built by God." Not one. I think a building built by God should still be standing to this day. All the time you're doing good deeds, you're "doing God's work." Because he's loafing off yet again. Most of the time he getrs busy these days, it's just to cause some odd disaster or pestilence.

What would God drive? He'd just borrow everybody else's cars.

As for raping/ destroying, go back and reread the Old Testament. Plenty of that in there, sanctioned by the good old Hypocrite-in=-Chief himself.
 
Go Go Chinchilla!
2007-06-05 12:22:46 PM  
ComicBookGuy: I'm sure Jesus would have been all for making the wealthy wealthier (at everyone else's expense, ofc), raping/destroying the earth, WAR, and so on, so these good "Christians" will not stray!!!

Does it really matter what some carpenter's brat who became a preacher would be for or against?
 
co-conspirator
2007-06-05 12:25:31 PM  
Won't work. After all, we all know that Jesus was a republican.
 
Counter_Intelligent
2007-06-05 12:25:34 PM  
Go Go Chinchilla!
Does it really matter what some carpenter's brat who became a preacher would be for or against?

To some people, yes. People who may have the same political opinions as yourself, and maybe even have more things in common with you, but are put off by a "holier than thou" attitude.
 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum
2007-06-05 12:25:52 PM  
Three reasons this is a bad idea:

1. Politico-religionism is bad for religious freedom

2. The politico-religionists are fracturing already, without any confusing alternative dialogue from the Dems, who are characteristically clumsy with religious rhetoric.

3. A shift towards religious rhetoric will soften the contrast between the normal religious dialogue and that of the extreme right-wing religionist nutbags. And we need all the contrast we can get, so as to isolate the State-as-proxy-for-the-evangelical-church crowd.

.
 
grxymkjbn
2007-06-05 12:26:20 PM  
Arnold T Pants - The problem with liberals is that they're too honest for their own good. They should learn from the republicans, and only call the sheep 'religious whackos' behind closed doors - like the Bush administration does.
 
MisterBill [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-06-05 12:26:53 PM  
Arnold T Pants: Seeing most liberals hate or think very poorly of religious people I don't see this happening. Case in point: headline calling them sheep

Yes, because Christians would never refer to themselves as sheep or a flock.

/Goes back to listening to Handel's All we like sheep
 
ViceCapades
2007-06-05 12:28:30 PM  
I can't wait for the day when politicians don't have to pretend they believe in little sky creatures to get votes...

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DistendedPendulusFrenulum
2007-06-05 12:29:25 PM  
HAMMERTOE

Most buildings of the time were either caves or built from mud or stone.

The roof structure and the door & jamb were the only parts that needed a carpenter.

And of course you'd need a couple benches and a table, and a coffin every now and then, although coffins and bone-boxes could be made of stone as well.

So, while there might be some structure whose roof was originally built by God, the roof structure would probably have been replaced a couple times by now.

.
 
patcarew [BareFark]
2007-06-05 12:30:50 PM  
Baaaaaaaaaaah. Humbug.
 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum
2007-06-05 12:31:26 PM  
grxymkjbn

You know, it is funny you should mention that, because I hung out with the sons and nephews of Haley Barbour during the eighties, when they were working the Reagan campaign, and they used to call it the "Crazy Christian Vote."

Everyone else called it the hate vote.

.
 
grxymkjbn
2007-06-05 12:36:07 PM  
Hate seems to be the most effective motivator yet found when it comes to voting.

/Great country we got here...
 
Ex-Republican
2007-06-05 12:36:37 PM  
Arnold T Pants
Seeing most liberals hate or think very poorly of religious people I don't see this happening. Case in point: headline calling them sheep.

Christians like to be called sheep. Hence why the pastor refers to his church-goers as his 'flock'.
 
hillbillypharmacist
2007-06-05 12:38:00 PM  
HAMMERTOE: No, actually Jesus was all about loafing around. He was a carpenter by trade. All the freaking buildings around that scream, "George Washington slept here!" Not one single edifice stating, "Built by God." Not one. I think a building built by God should still be standing to this day. All the time you're doing good deeds, you're "doing God's work." Because he's loafing off yet again. Most of the time he getrs busy these days, it's just to cause some odd disaster or pestilence.

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hillbillypharmacist
2007-06-05 12:40:13 PM  
Arnold T Pants: Case in point: headline calling them sheep.

Shoot, even God calls 'em sheep.

The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
 
grxymkjbn
2007-06-05 12:43:20 PM  
Funny thing is, the sheep always act so surprised when they get fleeced. I mean, seriously: WHY do they think shepherds bother to keep sheep in the first place?!?
 
ComicBookGuy
2007-06-05 1:14:15 PM  
UberDave: I know what I posted can't be obscure....especially for ComicBookGuy.

Hey, tons of things are obscure to me!!!! Realizing it and everything makes me wise or something. Or some dead guy from thousands of years ago said.
 
Arnold T Pants
2007-06-05 1:23:49 PM  
Counter_Intelligent: Don't tell your pastor this, but liberals are religious, too. Chances are, most of them are Christians.

Being a frequenter of several liberal blogs I know the base of the Democratic pParty absolutely hates religious people.
 
FeedTheCollapse
2007-06-05 1:27:36 PM  
Poopspasm: Well, the R's haven't really offered much more than empty rhetoric...
and thank god for that.


I'm just waiting for the fundies to finally wake up to that fact and form their own political party and actually follow through on those awful ideas.
 
Arnold T Pants
2007-06-05 1:27:41 PM  
MisterBill: Yes, because Christians would never refer to themselves as sheep or a flock.

Sheep is also used as a derogatory term that is used often on the liberal blogs. This being Fark I see the use as derogatory.
 
2wolves [TotalFark]
2007-06-05 1:31:22 PM  
Arnold T Pants

Just the assholes.
 
Cracker_monkey_in_a_cage
2007-06-05 1:42:08 PM  
"Christians like to be called sheep. Hence why the pastor refers to his church-goers as his 'flock'"

I'm sure you are aware that words can be spelled the same but have different meanings.

/Personally, don't beleive in religion.
 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum
2007-06-05 1:49:01 PM  
Arnold T Pants

Any number of them hate the politico-religionist faction of the Republican party, some for wanting to legislate a narrow interpretation of scripture, others for endangering religious freedom.

It's not an irrational hatred of all things religious; it's a principled objection to bad ideas.

.
 
Arnold T Pants
2007-06-05 1:57:28 PM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: It's not an irrational hatred of all things religious; it's a principled objection to bad ideas.

You must have never been to the Democratic Underground. It's not a principled objection. It rarely has anything to do with legislation. Its pure irrational hatred of all things Christian.
 
heap
2007-06-05 2:29:21 PM  
Ex-Republican: Hence why the pastor refers to his church-goers as his 'flock'.

hell, one of the meanings of the word 'pastor' is....shepherd.
 
ViceCapades
2007-06-05 2:32:56 PM  
Hey, I wouldn't have a problem with religion if...

1. It was personal and not publicly promoted or mandated.

2. It wasn't used as an excuse to subvert science and rational education.

3. It didn't infringe on my ability to purchase various products on certain days of the week.

4. It didn't dictate that I am cursed to eternal hellfire because of something that supposedly happened 6000 years ago that I had NOTHING to do with.

5. It wasn't used as an excuse to oppress and control women and minorities, invade other nations and kill millions of people.

6. It doesn't tell me what I can and cannot do with my body or life that doesn't hurt anybody.

7. It made any rational sense at all; it had any consistent standard of moral behavior, and its followers demonstrated by example, that their religious philosophy makes the world a better place.

So far... 0 for 7.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-06-05 2:49:12 PM  
UberDave: I don't know if that will work. Trouble is, sheep are very dim. Once they get an idea in their heads, there's no shifting it.

The reason it won't work is because the candidates involved don't really understand the religious underpinnings of red staters. They're used to more liberal East Coast churches and think if they co-opt the language a bit they'll snap up a bunch of voters by pretending to pander to them.

The sheep involved might be stupid but they ain't THAT stupid.
 
heap
2007-06-05 3:26:28 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: co-opt the language a bit they'll snap up a bunch of voters by pretending to pander to them.

well...it obviously works. can't really blame them for the effort when that is essentially the definition of a political campaign, no matter what audience is being courted.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-06-05 3:33:55 PM  
heap: well...it obviously works.

Not with the red-state voters. There's an obvious difference between someone trying to parrot the language and toss a bit of faith rhetoric into their speeches (Hillary) and someone who really means it (Bush).

Say what you will about Bush, but when he talks about faith and religion you know he means it. When Hillary or Edwards try to work it into their speeches they sound about as phony as Larry King would if he started using Snoop Dogg slangizzle.
 
heap
2007-06-05 3:39:11 PM  
Not with the red-state voters.

well...again, if anyone is under the impression that they are going to pull the entire evangelical vote, they're deluded. i don't think that is in any way the intent, however.

evangelicals (which bush does connect much better with) aren't the target here, i don't think. depending on where you look, the country is 75-85% christian - even with in red states, there are folks that can be swayed by the exact same pandering, but from a different direction. there is a subsection of the country that religion in politics is synonymous with republican...i don't really think that's the target audience here.
 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum
2007-06-05 3:40:15 PM  
Arnold T Pants

I'm right because I'm right because I'm right

Well, that convinces me!

Go thump your tub somewhere else. If you listen to blind ideologs, you're gonna come off as a retard.

.
 
Arnold T Pants
2007-06-05 3:44:47 PM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: I'm right because I'm right because I'm right
Well, that convinces me!

I said nothing like that. Are you too stupid to understand simple sentences? Oh, you're just a DUer. Sorry for pointing out your blind hatred.
 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum
2007-06-05 3:53:32 PM  
Arnold T Pants

There is a wide gulf between hatred and a mere disregard for circular logic. If you say Dems are motivated by dislike of religion because you say so, that's plainly circular logic. If all you can offer in the way of argument is slogans given to you by the Liberal Bashing Industry, the rest of us may most certainly point out that's a stupid way to live without hating you.

.
 
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