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Pocket Ninja [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-06-01 1:41:39 PM  
I've always found people who deliberately replace the "c" in America with a "k" to be intellectual giants, worthy of profound awe and respect.
 
dogdaze
2007-06-01 1:41:50 PM  
The gift that just keeps on giving. Thanks Joe and Valerie, thanks.

[image from img1.picturewizard.com too old to be available]
 
further
2007-06-01 1:45:55 PM  
Oh no, the leaders of the power structure are being oppressed by it.
 
BizarreRecords
2007-06-01 1:48:11 PM  
I've always found people who deliberately replace the "c" in America with a "k" to be intellectual giants, worthy of profound awe and respect.

Thats what I came here to say. Or should I say.. Kame here to say.
 
Blues_X
2007-06-01 1:48:17 PM  
Jose Padilla weeps over this injustice.
 
Mordant
2007-06-01 1:49:54 PM  
Will the length of his sentence affect the fact that he's going to be pardoned anyway ?
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-06-01 1:53:12 PM  
FTFA:

"So it goes in a case brought by an unaccountable prosecutor now requesting an unreasonable penalty based on evidence he never introduced at trial. This is America?"

Quick pop quiz: Was this written by a liberal complaining about Kenneth Starr or a conservative complaining about Patrick Fitzgerald?
 
albo
2007-06-01 1:55:29 PM  
but it's okay because he's a bushie and he just looks guilty of so much more, besides.
 
alonzinator
2007-06-01 1:56:54 PM  
Federal sentencing guidelines permit the court, under certain circumstances, to take into account the seriousness of the original crime under investigation in a perjury or obstruction case.

ok, so your point is?
 
Soumac
2007-06-01 1:57:37 PM  
This guy's biatching about a 30 month sentence for Libby after his being convicted and receiving due process?

Someone remind me how long we've been holding people at Gitmo without a trial or even a hearing?
 
wrytrzcrmp
2007-06-01 2:01:27 PM  
Pocket Ninja: I've always found people who deliberately replace the "c" in America with a "k" to be intellectual giants, worthy of profound awe and respect.

Me too. Especially if they can make the K go backwards. √
 
BooBoo23
2007-06-01 2:02:12 PM  
But Mr. Fitzgerald's cynical handling of it illuminates what is wrong with special prosecutors who investigate and try these cases without adult supervision by the Justice Department.

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
 
Mordant
2007-06-01 2:02:33 PM  
I could look the other way for a couple of days if they wanted to "Frat Prank" Libby a little... it is for the good of America after all.
 
GaryPDX
2007-06-01 2:12:29 PM  
He'll get pardoned. Nothing to see here, move along.
 
flaEsq
2007-06-01 2:14:12 PM  
At least we're not being subjected to the lies that Plame wasn't covert and there wasn't at least crime committed. We're making progress, I guess that's something. Our troglodyte friends still have a ways to go though.

I imagine Libby will feel pained by his new and improved asshole.
 
Father Jack Hacket
2007-06-01 2:15:27 PM  
Pocket Ninja: I've always found people who deliberately replace the "c" in America with a "k" to be intellectual giants, worthy of profound awe and respect.

perhaps submitter can't say the letter C. And instead needs to use the letter K.

/like in that MP skit
//What a silly bunt
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-06-01 2:23:55 PM  
flaEsq: At least we're not being subjected to the lies that Plame wasn't covert and there wasn't at least crime committed.

The problem is that Fitzgerald himself was the one saying these things. He avoided having his whole case thrown out of court by insisting that Libby was not being accused out outing Plame--only of perjury. He in fact made no attempt to deal with Plame's status at all--he insisted it was about nothing but the perjury.

But now that the trial's over, he's suddenly saying it's about the leak after all.

Okay, so Libby's an evil Bushie. But do we want prosecutors to have the power to sentence people for crimes they were never actually charged with?

And let's not cloud the issue with GitMo. If it's wrong there, it's certainly wrong here as well.
 
Mordant
2007-06-01 2:30:09 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Okay, so Libby's an evil Bushie. But do we want prosecutors to have the power to sentence people for crimes they were never actually charged with?

I don't think we should even be able to charge people with anything if they play for the right team. Just look the other way and pretend it never happened.
 
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-06-01 2:30:55 PM  
Hey, the headline sounds just like the editorial I just read in the Wall Street Journal!

What a strange coincidence.
 
MorrisBird
2007-06-01 2:33:03 PM  
This is how the federal sentencing guidelines work. They were evil when my client was sentenced to an extended period for marijuana sales because another guy in his gang shot someone (no evidence of that at trial), and they're evil now. Sorry, Scooter.
 
lunchinlewis
2007-06-01 2:34:49 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: Hey, the headline sounds just like the editorial I just read in the Wall Street Journal!
What a strange coincidence.

God you are so right. Heaven forbid if Fark goes back to being about things from the media!
 
flaEsq
2007-06-01 2:44:22 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: But now that the trial's over, he's suddenly saying it's about the leak after all.

There's no contradiction. Libby was convicted amongst other things of obstructing the FBI leak investigation. (He was also convicted on perjury and obstruction counts). It's all about the leak's coverrup.

If Libby spilled the beans we'd be talking about Cheney's leak trial and Libby would walk. Maybe he'll cut a deal and walk?

And let's not cloud the issue with GitMo. If it's wrong there, it's certainly wrong here as well

Huh? Where'd that come from?
 
Headso
2007-06-01 2:55:31 PM  
albo: but it's okay because he's a bushie and he just looks guilty of so much more, besides.

ya reap what ya sow...
 
BritneysSpeculum
2007-06-01 3:01:12 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: flaEsq: At least we're not being subjected to the lies that Plame wasn't covert and there wasn't at least crime committed.

The problem is that Fitzgerald himself was the one saying these things. He avoided having his whole case thrown out of court by insisting that Libby was not being accused out outing Plame--only of perjury. He in fact made no attempt to deal with Plame's status at all--he insisted it was about nothing but the perjury.

But now that the trial's over, he's suddenly saying it's about the leak after all.

Okay, so Libby's an evil Bushie. But do we want prosecutors to have the power to sentence people for crimes they were never actually charged with?

And let's not cloud the issue with GitMo. If it's wrong there, it's certainly wrong here as well.

Oh, where to begin. This post is like looking at a garbage bucket sundae of stupidity. You just can't figure out where to shove the spoon in first.

Aww, fark it. Suffice to say that you Merv are an idiot. Take a moment to read the Sentencing Guidelines before you post again. He is not being charged with extra crimes. The Government is seeking enhanced sentence within the guidelines for the crimes he was convicted of committing.
 
seventypercent [TotalFark]
2007-06-01 3:16:30 PM  
It's all right, G. Gordon Libby. Once you've been pardoned, you can look forward to a long and fruitful career in talk radio or as a Fox News commentator, just like the rest of the GOP's convicted felons.
 
kronicfeld
2007-06-01 3:23:52 PM  
You can ask for anything.

How would this prosecutor be any more "accountable" if he were an AUSA or state's attorney?
 
BritneysSpeculum
2007-06-01 3:26:49 PM  
kronicfeld: You can ask for anything.

How would this prosecutor be any more "accountable" if he were an AUSA or state's attorney?

Well, if he were a traditional US Attorney, Gonzo (or Rove more accurately) could have purged him before he brought the indictment against Libby.
 
PeeOnYou
2007-06-01 3:28:15 PM  
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angryjd
2007-06-01 3:33:16 PM  
The federal sentencing guidelines make it perfectly clear that once a jury convicts someone, the judge is perfectly allowed to go outside the record to make his personal independent decision regarding sentencing.

As if that were enough, the Federal Statute concerning Grand Jury Perjury not authorizes the judge to look into what the perjurer was trying to protect, it nearly obligates him to do so.

The writer of this article needs to do his homework a little before spontaneously spouting off what he thinks America is and is not.
 
Speaks
2007-06-01 4:02:44 PM  
1) Why does this claim to be Youtube?

2) The statement: "It would be a blot on the Bush Presidency if Mr. Libby serves a day in prison" pretty much shows the asshatery of the author.

Bush has so many blots on his presidency no amount of clearasil can help him now.
 
Control_this
2007-06-01 4:11:30 PM  
He reminds me of the Duke lacrosse team. Just a victim. I like his chances in the playoffs.
 
BritneysSpeculum
2007-06-01 4:25:57 PM  
Control_this: He reminds me of the Duke lacrosse team. Just a victim. I like his chances in the playoffs.

You are right. That is a perfect comparison....except of course that Libby was convicted on all but one count whereas the indictment against the Duke boys was dropped. But other than that it is a perfect match.
 
Control_this
2007-06-01 4:40:28 PM  
No, it's exactly the same.

Nifong, Fitzgerald. Both prosecuting without being able to prove a crime happened.

Duke lacrosse, Bush. Both have drinking problems, money, and got there because of their daddies.

The stripper, America. Both willingly showed up, had not minded getting farked in the past, and can't keep their story straight about whether or not they've been violated.
 
BritneysSpeculum
2007-06-01 4:53:30 PM  
Control_this: No, it's exactly the same.

Nifong, Fitzgerald. Both prosecuting without being able to prove a crime happened.

Duke lacrosse, Bush. Both have drinking problems, money, and got there because of their daddies.

The stripper, America. Both willingly showed up, had not minded getting farked in the past, and can't keep their story straight about whether or not they've been violated.

Err, perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to a federal investigator are all crimes according to my version of Title 18 of the US Code.
 
Synaesthesia
2007-06-01 5:12:59 PM  
Pocket Ninja
You mean like Franz Kafka?
 
DrRatchet
2007-06-01 5:17:36 PM  
THE Original Article was written by... Who? No one? Libbies Lawyer?
 
Baby Diego
2007-06-01 5:25:54 PM  
dogdaze's Farky tag: A Picture is worth a Thousand Blocks

Sadly, I still end up seeing the pictures. Oh well.
 
SoupGuru [TotalFark]
2007-06-01 5:29:38 PM  
Why are all the neo-cons playing the "no one can prove a crime exists" card when it comes to Libby? It's retarded.

When you're investigating a crime and one of your witnesses is lying to you, it's not very easy to get a good grasp of what's going on. So you make it painful for people to lie to you when you're investigating a crime. Like sentencing them to jail if they lie to you.

"But no one's getting convicted of the crime itself!" Well, maybe someone would if the peons weren't lying to investigators.
 
azazyel
2007-06-01 5:38:35 PM  
Pocket Ninja

I've always found people who deliberately replace the "c" in America with a "k" to be intellectual giants, worthy of profound awe and respect.

I feel the same way about people who pronounce Washington State, Wurshington.
 
Egalitarian
2007-06-01 5:39:57 PM  
DrRatchet: THE Original Article was written by... Who? No one? Libbies Lawyer?

Newspapers often publish unsigned editorials.
 
Maud Dib
2007-06-01 5:41:35 PM  
azazyel: I feel the same way about people who pronounce Washington State, Wurshington.

Dude, it's Warshington.
 
azazyel
2007-06-01 5:43:13 PM  
Oh and since were talking about switching K's with C's. Anyone want to buy a car from...


Kompact Kar Korner

And this is in Seattle too.
 
boomaze
2007-06-01 5:48:03 PM  
azazyel

Only people for the midwest and stuff like me call it Warshington, and thats Warshington county, Warshington crick, and you take a shower with a warsh rag. fark Washington Staters, with their fancy pronunciation.

//lives in Seattle, Warsh.
 
Deneb81
2007-06-01 5:48:50 PM  
This whole 'obstruction of justice' case against Libby was absolute BS anyway. It should never have been brought if the real crime is never charged.

Someone provided the name of a covert CIA agent in a time of war. That makes them a terrorist. We should have just tortured Libby until he told us who released the information, so we could track them down and hang their asses.

/wait what?
//that only works for non-Bushies
///nevermind then...
 
rush22
2007-06-01 5:52:21 PM  
Deneb81

This whole 'obstruction of justice' case against Libby was absolute BS anyway.

You don't even know what obstruction of justice is, do you?
 
eraser8
2007-06-01 6:08:26 PM  
submitter, I suspect you know this already...but just in case you're as clueless as your headline would suggest:

1) Fitzgerald has not asked the court to impose a sentence for any non-established crime. Fitzgerald merely submitted his sentence recommendations for the felonies of which Mr. Libby has been convicted.

2) Even if Fitzgerald did ask the court to impose a sentence for an offense not adjudicated, his suggestion would be rejected. The court simply lacks authority to make such an imposition. We do not have summary justice in this country.

3) It is perfectly ordinary for the prosecuting agency to submit information in the sentencing phase that was not particularly relevant to the trial itself. Remorse (or the lack of it) is one such issue that may have a place after the verdict but before the imposition of sentence.
 
LocalCynic
2007-06-01 6:11:12 PM  
Speaks: 1) Why does this claim to be Youtube?

Because there's a convention around Fark that if you submit an Opinion Journal article, you need to lie about its origin to trick people into clicking.

Basically, con-tards realize that no one will read their trash so they have to resort to trickery.
 
LocalCynic
2007-06-01 6:14:15 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: But do we want prosecutors to have the power to sentence people for crimes they were never actually charged with?

First, the judge, not the prosecutor, has the final say on this. Fitzgerald is just giving a recommendation.

Second, since when did your side decide to be so bleeding heart with sentencing guidelines? Do the crime, do the time. We need to be tough on crime damnit.
 
Chuck Wagon
2007-06-01 6:15:00 PM  
FTA:
There was no evidence that Mr. Libby broke the laws that Mr. Fitzgerald wants him sentenced under, and somehow this is Mr. Libby's own fault.

Well considering that he lied to investigators and obstructed justice, yes, it is his fault.
 
SkinnyHead
2007-06-01 6:17:51 PM  
Mr. Scooter is not considered a flight risk, so he'll remain free on bond pending appeal. His conviction will be overturned on appeal because the Court of Appeals will rule that the Attorney General's attempt to grant unsupervised plenary power to Mr. Fitzgerald was unconstitutional, and that Fitzgerald had no authority to prosecute Mr. Scooter in the first place.
 
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