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(Yahoo)   According to Huffington Post, Democrats only pretended to cave in on the war funding bill, because they're Judo experts. No, really--that's really what they're saying   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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OlafTheBent
2007-05-23 12:54:57 PM  
I was hoping things would be different with the Dems...

Silly me.

/All politicians suck donkey balls.
 
GaryPDX
2007-05-23 12:58:32 PM  
I heard Pelosi on CSPAN yesterday saying exactly that. It wasn't a cave in, it was a stealthy Democratic manuever to herald in the ending of the war.

She even said it with a straight face.
 
DKRainey
2007-05-23 1:00:22 PM  
Revolution. its a healthy thing.
 
7of7
2007-05-23 1:00:47 PM  
While I had hoped they wouldn't let any funding through without a guarantee of the war ending sometime this century hopefully something good will come of this.
 
PC LOAD LETTER [TotalFark]
2007-05-23 1:06:09 PM  
[image from rhosjudokwai.co.uk too old to be available]

"ORLY?"
 
Unright
2007-05-23 1:06:54 PM  
I guess that's the most optimistic way to look at it. It does make Iraq the main issue for the '08 elections. Since it's wholly a Republican war, Democrats do stand to gain a lot of ground.

Unless, of course, Hillary gets the nomination for pres.
 
Tabatha Static
2007-05-23 1:11:16 PM  
[image from i27.photobucket.com too old to be available]

*Photo taken at DNC HQ earlier this week


/couldn't find my "Ha! Ha! Your representative republic is neither!" pic
 
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark]
2007-05-23 1:14:43 PM  
DKRainey: Revolution. its a healthy thing.

I'm with you, brother. Where do I sign up?
 
Lionel Mandrake
2007-05-23 1:21:55 PM  
Well, it was either give in or give the GOP a major election-season talking point. They did the right thing - and by "right," I mean the only sensible thing.

Bush has until September to convince 70% of America that "progress is being made in Iraq." After that, precious few Republican Congressmen will stay on his sinking ship.
 
Diogenes [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-05-23 1:23:35 PM  
I don't get it. What political viability will they have in '08 if they betray the reason they swept the midterms in '06? Judo my ass.
 
wyltoknow
2007-05-23 1:28:07 PM  
Judo is all about falling backwards after pretending to shove forward. Judo is all about flipping the opponent by virtue of his own weight as he leans into the emptiness of your caving.

Um, either my Judo instructor sucked ass, or this guy has it all wrong. As I remember it, the one who's leaning forward has the balance upperhand over the one who's leaning backward. Or maybe the laws of physics don't apply here. Hrm.
 
Descartes
2007-05-23 1:31:53 PM  
If there are more hurricanes, it is due to global warming.
If there are less hurricanes, it is due to global warming.

If there are troop deadlines, it is because of the superior skills of the Democratic leadership.
If there are no troop deadlines, it is because of the superior skills of the Democratic leadership.

/They can't lose!
 
Counter_Intelligent
2007-05-23 1:34:19 PM  
Revolution. its a healthy thing.

The day I see any internet community, much less FARKers, rally in violent opposition to the government is the day I become queen of France. In other words, it's not going to happen.
 
Mighty_Dog
2007-05-23 1:35:39 PM  
What happened to 'the will of the people', hmmm?

Maybe, just maybe, it wasn't there after all...
 
constructor5179
2007-05-23 1:36:07 PM  
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BraveNewCheneyWorld
2007-05-23 1:36:26 PM  
wyltoknow
Um, either my Judo instructor sucked ass, or this guy has it all wrong. As I remember it, the one who's leaning forward has the balance upperhand over the one who's leaning backward. Or maybe the laws of physics don't apply here. Hrm.

maybe you're just used to living in 2d, but in 3d world, we can twist.
 
Hideously Gigantic Smurf
2007-05-23 1:37:52 PM  
[image from mudjug.com too old to be available]

And here I thought they were real.
 
Manfred J. Hattan
2007-05-23 1:38:40 PM  
I vehemently oppose all efforts to apply partisanship to the sacred Ninja/Pirate divide.
 
ConBeGone
2007-05-23 1:39:01 PM  
You neocons have still the fall to try and fool people that iraq is saveable thats 4 months and then we are done with iraq. 4 months thats all you have left, might want to get to work.
 
bwesb
2007-05-23 1:41:32 PM  
Revolution. its a healthy thing.

I think I'd like it best if the American middle class simply stopped spending money needlessly. Like we all just callled each other up and simultaneously:

stopped eating out
stopped driving everywhere
quit traveling
bought only from Goodwill or the Salvation Army
didn't buy any real estate
turned off the TV
rejected the Internet


Extreme wishful thinking - to be sure - but I'd like to see the economy come to a screeching halt and watch every consumer-supported industry have to survive on their own.
 
EdNortonsTwin
2007-05-23 1:44:24 PM  
Sure, some elected law makers are going to reverse the US role in expanding the empire and globalization.

Get a grip.

You want a revolution? So do over a million ruthless gang members in this country.

Be carefull what you wish for.
 
Blathering Idjut
2007-05-23 1:44:43 PM  
Lionel Mandrake

Bush has until September to convince 70% of America that "progress is being made in Iraq." After that, precious few Republican Congressmen will stay on his sinking ship.

Horseshiat. Together with the regular budget which has no chance of not passing they've effectively funded the war through the end of Bush's term. This war has just been dumped in the lap of the next President and President CooCoo Bananas is laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Counter_Intelligent
2007-05-23 1:44:45 PM  
PsyLord
Mr. Miagi is rolling over in his grave.

You mean roaring over.
 
zolividor
2007-05-23 1:47:02 PM  
Will there be enough votes for it to pass the house? The senate? The the white house veto because of pork?
 
Manfred J. Hattan
2007-05-23 1:47:15 PM  
bwesb
"I think I'd like it best if the American middle class simply stopped spending money needlessly. Like we all just callled each other up and simultaneously:

stopped eating out
stopped driving everywhere
quit traveling
bought only from Goodwill or the Salvation Army
didn't buy any real estate
turned off the TV
rejected the Internet"

Is there something in the intertubes today? Farkers are even stupider than usual today. Who is the middle class, bw? They're vice presidents at at restaurant companies, shop-owning mechanics, airline pilots, retailers, real estate attorneys, advertising execs, and, increasingly, web designers. We all need each other.
 
L.B. Jeffries
2007-05-23 1:50:23 PM  
Diogenes

The Democrats didn't win in 2006 because they were anti-war. They won because the Republicans sucked so much at their jobs that people were willing to vote for the other guy on sheer principle.
 
Mighty_Dog
2007-05-23 1:52:08 PM  
Manfred J. Hattan

I don't think bwesb heard you. I'm sure that he's just turned off his computer to help fight corporate greed and reduce his carbon footprint.

Because no good radical leftie would demand such things of everyone else without first doing it themselves.... would they?
 
Fakk
2007-05-23 1:52:27 PM  
"But look, these people aren't stupid. They know what they're doing. The real issue is does the anti-war progressive base know what it is doing? Is it focused on making sure that Democrats win the White House in '08 and keep control of both houses of Congress?"

Uh...NO. The anti-war Progressives ARE NOT focused on making sure that the Democrats win the White House in 2008 and keeping control of both houses of Congress. The anti-war Progressives are focused on STOPPING THE DAMN WAR.

I do not give a flying fark if the war gets stopped and then Americans get all pissy and elect Republicans back into power. If America is that farking stupid, then America DESERVES to have the Republicans back in power.

So, in conclusion: Go fark yourself.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-05-23 1:52:50 PM  
PsyLord: Mr. Miagi is rolling over in his grave.

Karate /= Judo.
 
Fakk
2007-05-23 1:55:30 PM  
ConBeGone: You neocons have still the fall to try and fool people that iraq is saveable thats 4 months and then we are done with iraq. 4 months thats all you have left, might want to get to work.

That's speculation. We've been falling for the "we're turning a corner" line for four goddamn years. Who's to say we're not dumb enough to fall for it for another four?
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-05-23 1:55:56 PM  
bwesb: I'd like to see the economy come to a screeching halt and watch every consumer-supported industry have to survive on their own.

After that, we can hold hands in a big circle, chant to levitate the Pentagon and stop the war.

Hey, it worked for Abby Hoffman back in 1967--the war in Vietnam DID end. Oh, it ended eight years later and the Pentagon didn't move. But you can't argue with results!
 
ConBeGone
2007-05-23 1:56:18 PM  
The dems won because of their anti-war status its been said and proven many times. The GOOD thing is most republicans didn't know this or choose to ignore it and that will help us in 08. Best thing we can hope for is the status quo till 08 and then we can push their thinking aside and get back to work once they have zero say.
 
PsyLord
2007-05-23 1:56:31 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin

Yeah, but I can't think of any judo celebs.
 
Diogenes [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-05-23 1:57:54 PM  
Counter_Intelligent: How about King of Norway?

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Headso
2007-05-23 1:58:50 PM  
well, I'm sure you can be pretty good at Judo without a spine...
 
sigdiamond2000
2007-05-23 1:58:52 PM  
So let me get this straight: The argument coming from the Republicans, then, is that the Democrats didn't cave for the purposes of political expediency?

[image from pageaday.com too old to be available]

Uh...OK...
 
Tjos Weel
2007-05-23 2:02:22 PM  
Unright

Unless, of course, Hillary gets the nomination for pres.

Or Ron Paul gets the GOP nomination. Or both.

I would like to see the cognitive dissonance of the left-wing anti-war folks in a Clinton vs Paul race (not worried about the centrist or right wing anti-war folk - they will do the right thing in that case).
 
Fakk
2007-05-23 2:03:18 PM  
sigdiamond2000: So let me get this straight: The argument coming from the Republicans, then, is that the Democrats didn't cave for the purposes of political expediency?

The Democrats caved because they thought, "If we cut off funding for the troops, Bush just might be crazy enough to leave our troops out in the middle of hostile territory just to score political points."

And they were probably right to think that.
 
Mighty_Dog
2007-05-23 2:03:48 PM  
sigdiamond2000

So let me get this straight: The argument coming from the Republicans, then, is that the Democrats didn't cave for the purposes of political expediency?


Here, I can help you get it straighter. There is no 'argument' coming from the Republicans. There is only amused satisfaction that the dems caved after championing 'the will of the people' that wasn't there to begin with.

Americans didn't elect a slim majority of dems to congress so that the United States could raise the white flag.

It had to do with 'macacca', 'you jackin it?' and stuff like the bridge to nowhere. The liberal dems overplayed their hand and are now forced to fold in humiliating defeat.

Got it straight now?
 
Blathering Idjut
2007-05-23 2:05:41 PM  
The Democrats didn't win in 2006 because they were anti-war. They won because the Republicans sucked so much at their jobs were blindly supporting Bush and his stupid war in Iraq so that people were willing to vote for the other guy on sheer principle.

Potato/ potato
 
Headso
2007-05-23 2:08:38 PM  
Mighty_Dog: It had to do with 'macacca', 'you jackin it?'

you're crazy if you think the average voter even knew about that kinda crap, the big issue is Iraq, everyone knows about it and it effects their decisions at the polls...
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-05-23 2:09:47 PM  
sigdiamond2000: So let me get this straight: The argument coming from the Republicans, then, is that the Democrats didn't cave for the purposes of political expediency?

I had no idea that the Huffington Post was run by the GOP.
 
ConBeGone
2007-05-23 2:12:20 PM  
Mighty_Dog

lol look its everyones favorite thread-shiatter

Anyway to debunk you're uninformed comment, Yes they were elected to end the iraq war. All polls showed that Iraq out did EVERY other issue combined. It has been said over and over again it has been documented time and time again. You can put your fingers in your ears and say it isn't so but as usual reality has a liberal bias.
 
flaEsq
2007-05-23 2:14:55 PM  
When you're a 28%er you'll take what you can get. Woof!
 
Mighty_Dog
2007-05-23 2:20:58 PM  
ConBeGone


lol look its everyones favorite thread-shiatter

Anyway to debunk you're uninformed comment, Yes they were elected to end the iraq war. All polls showed that Iraq out did EVERY other issue combined. It has been said over and over again it has been documented time and time again. You can put your fingers in your ears and say it isn't so but as usual reality has a liberal bias.


Thanks for the kind words. I really like you alot too.

Say, if all of that blather is true, then why aren't the dems fulfilling their elected purpose, hmmm? After all, like you say, they have a 'groundswell of support'! It's kind of a mystery, isn't it? Hey, you don't think the MSM might have published some biased polls do ya'?

Care to explain the dems cave in? I just love reading your stuff. You're so informed!

And yeah, reality does have a liberal bias - on April 15th, that is.
 
constructor5179
2007-05-23 2:23:13 PM  
Fakk: That's speculation. We've been falling for the "we're turning a corner" line for four goddamn years. Who's to say we're not dumb enough to fall for it for another four?

I like the cut of your jib, sailor.

\fark, americans are dumb
 
Headso
2007-05-23 2:24:22 PM  
Mighty_Dog: why aren't the dems fulfilling their elected purpose, hmmm?

because they have no spine?
 
ColonelNorth
2007-05-23 2:24:41 PM  
From a different article:
The agreement with the White House and Republicans would be tied to approval of as much as $20 billion in domestic spending sought by Democrats, as well as an increase in the minimum wage.

The Democrats didn't cave in. They saw an opportunity to get other pieces of their agenda through the White House and took it. And while the anti-war people may be in a snit, it was well played politics. The Democrats need accomplishments like getting the minimum wage hike to show legislative progress in 2008. And, they can always address war spending again next year when it'll hurt the Republicans more.

It really isn't that complicated. Having the war continue into the election is in the Democrat's best interest. Why on earth would they try to stop it?
 
sigdiamond2000
2007-05-23 2:25:14 PM  
Mighty_Dog, MyNameIsNotMervGriffin

I think you missed the point of my post, which I admittedly didn't phrase very well (I shouldn't have so broadly referred to it as the "Republican argument"). My point is that the submitter seems to be implying that "caving" because they felt defeated reflects worse upon the Democrats than the idea that they may have done it out of sheer political expediency, which is pretty much what this article (written by a Democrat I assume) is saying.

My point being that admitting defeat is, somehow, now seen as a greater sin than covering that defeat in spin and obfuscation. I guess it's a sign of the times.
 
Lord_Baull
2007-05-23 2:31:18 PM  
Friggin democrat pussies.
 
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