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(Chicago Sun-Times)   One of Jose Padilla's jurors thinks the US government is responsible for 9/11. Another says she's oblivious to world events. Since Padilla is batshiat crazy, it's nice to know he's being tried by his peers   (suntimes.com) divider line
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2007-05-04 1:42:09 PM  
Padilla is clearly involved in some Al-Qiada shenanegans

But as a US citizen, his 6th Amendment rights to a speedy trial have been grossly violated.

Here's to hoping the judge throws out all charges on Day One

/federalist libertard
 
2007-05-04 1:43:56 PM  
FTFA: Potential Padilla jurors unsure of 9/11 attacks blame MIAMI

I do, too.
 
2007-05-04 1:44:08 PM  
submitter is a retard.
 
2007-05-04 1:45:03 PM  
So it's been like, what, three years he was detained without a trial and without bail?

How's that for speedy trial and no excessive bail requirements?
 
2007-05-04 1:45:28 PM  
Jury selection includes water boarding and naked pyramids.
 
2007-05-04 1:45:31 PM  
How in the hell can a Puerto Rican from Chicago get into al-Qaeda, but the CIA can't?

/or at one time claimed they couldn't
 
2007-05-04 1:47:27 PM  
Question No. 60 asks for an opinion about responsibility for the 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, and many people said they don't know.

''I've been surprised at the number of our jurors who don't have an opinion about 9/11,'' said U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke, who is presiding over the case.


Not knowing who was responsible doesn't equate to not having an opinion, does it?
 
2007-05-04 1:49:02 PM  
The US government is partly responsible for 9/11, through years of incompetence, dysfunction and negligence.
 
2007-05-04 1:49:12 PM  
Not knowing who was responsible doesn't equate to not having an opinion, does it?

It makes it really hard to run a kangaroo court hell bent on convicting everybody when the jury doesn't play along.
 
2007-05-04 1:52:37 PM  
Why is 9/11 being mentioned anyway? Padilla isn't being charged for 9/11 related stuff. He's being charged for conspiring with Al Queda to plant "dirty bombs."

It'd be interesting to see if Padilla did anything besides just talking about it. . . I'm guessing probably not.
 
2007-05-04 1:52:41 PM  
i understand the necessity of screening jurors, but the questions they are asking are not necessary.

juries evalaute the facts of the case as they are presented in court. personal opinions (i believe al qaeda did with the candlestick in the parlor) don't matter a lick.
 
2007-05-04 1:52:54 PM  
What gets me is that there is an application to join Al-Qaida. Wonder what he wrote on the essay section...
 
2007-05-04 1:53:29 PM  
Mebbe people picked for that jury duty, you know wanted out??
/did not rfta
 
2007-05-04 1:55:32 PM  
Sometimes our great nation is just silly. Silly silly silly.
 
2007-05-04 1:56:46 PM  
This is really one of the most fundamental flaws in our legal system. In order to find completely unbiased jurors, they wind up tracking down 12 of the most ignorant people they can possibly find.

"Hey, that guy ain't no Mooslim bomber. He's a Mexican!"

"I think we've got number 11, your honor."
 
2007-05-04 1:56:49 PM  
The US had a chance to demonstrate how great a country we are after 9/11, and we botched it. Speedy and fair trials for anyone involved, total elimination of Al Qaeda, and political and economic pressure on governments that provide support for fanaticism. Instead our world image looks roughly like Saddam when he was pulled from his spider hole. Thanks a lot, W.
 
2007-05-04 1:57:36 PM  
bulldg4life
Good point.
 
2007-05-04 1:57:57 PM  
Let's not question the government, because they only have our best interests in mind.
 
2007-05-04 1:58:52 PM  
Jose Padilla is probably a crazy mofo. However, the government that kidnapped him against the Constitution that binds its action is 100x crazier. Better to let an Al-Queda member go free than to imprison an innocent man without charges, for years on end, before eventually coming up with some bullshiat charge that no one in their right mind would believe anyway.
 
2007-05-04 2:00:49 PM  
its just nice to know he's being tried at all.
 
2007-05-04 2:01:38 PM  
FarkingUpTheWrongTree: This is really one of the most fundamental flaws in our legal system. In order to find completely unbiased jurors, they wind up tracking down 12 of the most ignorant people they can possibly find.

Not true. This is what makes our justice system the best in the world, the knowledge that you have the opportunity to be tried by a fair and impartial group of people. Tracking down "ignorant" people is the fault of the attorneys-- they're making a classic mistake of mixing up "fair and impartial" with "not knowing the news".

You can still be biased to think that 9/11 was a horrible event, and still be unbiased as to someone's role/guilt in that event. The defense attorney is making a huge mistake in not believing that statement and is instead turning to the classic "let's find idiots" strategy. This strategy actually tends to backfire quite a bit, as the "idiots" in the jury are much, much more likely to render judgement based upon emotion than someone who knows about the case but still says that they can be impartial.
 
2007-05-04 2:02:04 PM  
What gets me is that there is an application to join Al-Qaida. Wonder what he wrote on the essay section...

"Yo, I be all disenfranchised and shiznit. I'm like totally mad at the US and stuff and I'm going to build a dirty bomb with plutonium with plans I get from teh intertubes so I can join and get some plutonium? "

And presumably AlQaida have a good laugh at the idea of a gangbanger trying to build a nuclear bomb, and pat him on the head and give him $20, send him on his way, and tell him to try a more achievable plan, like renting an apartment and leaving the gas on so the building burns down.

Fortunately, US authorities captured this terrorist mastermind, deprived him of his Constitutional rights, and locked him away before he was able to carry out his ultimate plan of creating a 100-lb bag of flaming dog poop and leaving it on the White House steps.
 
2007-05-04 2:02:54 PM  
Why do have anti-communist terrorist more rights to a speedy trial than muslim ones. Compared to all the stuff he has done most of the people in Gitmo are almost innocent (those that aren't litearally innocent that is). I say extraordinary rendition him to Cuba or admit that the whole War against Terror is a sham.
 
2007-05-04 2:03:20 PM  
Whiner95:

While I agree with you totally, I hesitate to put all the blame on bush. Though I think with all the rhetoric that was thrown out after the events, I wish I heard more of "We'll show you why our democracy is so great. We wil try, convict, and punish you to the best of our abilities." If we had that direction coming from the entire government in general, we would have rocked some socks off. Instead, we got the patriot act, habeas suspensions and a freakin creepy chinese style government. Hooray for us?
 
2007-05-04 2:04:43 PM  
Anyone who thinks that the U.S. Govt. was responsible for 9/11, or Israel, etc. is an idiot.

/just wanted to get that out of the way
//carry on
 
2007-05-04 2:05:23 PM  
Being oblivious and being stupid aren't neccesarily the same thing. From his point of view, it would be the most fair to have jurors who have no idea WTF he supposed to have done going into the trial.

Of course, the oblivious one is probably stupid, and the tinfoil hatter is probably just a moron. All and all this is a pretty good cross-section of America.
 
2007-05-04 2:05:25 PM  
FTA: ''I've been surprised at the number of our jurors who don't have an opinion about 9/11,'' said U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke, who is presiding over the case.

...because they are watching "Nanny 911" instead.
 
2007-05-04 2:05:59 PM  
Conspiracy nuts should be dragged into the street and shot in the head.
 
2007-05-04 2:06:15 PM  
There is a fine line between terrorist and tourist... or is there?
 
2007-05-04 2:07:40 PM  
What makes him crazy?
 
2007-05-04 2:07:52 PM  
what czarangelus said
 
2007-05-04 2:08:20 PM  
Loki-L: Why do have anti-communist terrorist more rights to a speedy trial than muslim ones. Compared to all the stuff he has done most of the people in Gitmo are almost innocent (those that aren't litearally innocent that is). I say extraordinary rendition him to Cuba or admit that the whole War against Terror is a sham.

The War on Terror is a crusade against Islam. Anyone who believes any differently at this point is stupid. When /a/ Muslim does something bad, the media goes out of their way to point out that they're a Muslim from Whereverstan. When it's a bad writer from S. Korea, it's still tied to Islam somehow in the media.

America is a terrorist nation committing terrorist acts on innocent Muslims, because its leaders are totally deranged and trying to bring about the Biblical apocalypse.
 
2007-05-04 2:08:54 PM  
The defense attorney is making a huge mistake in not believing that statement and is instead turning to the classic "let's find idiots" strategy. This strategy actually tends to backfire quite a bit, as the "idiots" in the jury are much, much more likely to render judgement based upon emotion than someone who knows about the case but still says that they can be impartial.

Depends on whether the lawyers think he is guilty or not. If yes, then idiots deciding on the basis of their emotional response are Padilla's best chance.
 
2007-05-04 2:09:01 PM  
I've been on a jury, and convicted this dope of stabbing his girlfriend 18 times (she testified), then hitting his neighbor in the skull with a carjack (he testified, too).

What bothers me about the legal system is that they couldn't once provide to me a decent lunch.

/a bit off-topic
 
2007-05-04 2:10:12 PM  
What makes him crazy?

Well he was held in solitary confinement for years and deprived of all human contact except for his interrogators who tortured him. Other than that I'm sure he's fine.
 
2007-05-04 2:10:31 PM  
DayBreakBoys17: Conspiracy nuts should be dragged into the street and shot in the head.

Fine...but what if you saw one of those shootings and no one believed you...then what?
 
2007-05-04 2:12:51 PM  
Bears dont like curry: I hesitate to put all the blame on bush.

You are, naturally, spot on. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Kristol, et al are evil motherfarkers who will most assuredly be spending the afterlife burning. But the president is the public face of the government. Bush is the one up on the podium saying "I'm the decider". "The buck stops here" is more than a slogan.

Consider this: Rumsfeld's statement of "go massive" on 9/11 being approved by Bush, versus the joint chiefs advising JFK to pre-emptively attack during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The president always has the final say.
 
2007-05-04 2:14:03 PM  
Must be hard to find jurors who haven't heard of Padilla already. Ignorance of world events is the best they can hope for.

Personally, I've not made up my mind on 9/11, but I know we haven't heard the whole story yet.
 
2007-05-04 2:14:24 PM  
Whiner95: Tracking down "ignorant" people is the fault of the attorneys-- they're making a classic mistake of mixing up "fair and impartial" with "not knowing the news".

I suppose so. But of course they're going to pick anyone they think they can sway to their case. That's to be expected. Which may or may not involve selecting for gullibility (see the "Dubya did 9/11" crowd)
Insert "lawyers = teh suck joke" here.

That being said, you're right - I have no clue whiskey tango foxtrot 9/11 has to do with this case. An opinion about 9/11 (or lack thereof) probably isn't going to matter in this trial one way or the other, I'd think.
 
2007-05-04 2:14:49 PM  
"Well he was held in solitary confinement for years and deprived of all human contact except for his interrogators who tortured him."

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought he was at frat party that whole time.
 
2007-05-04 2:16:50 PM  
Waiting for someone to say: "WTC 7 was a controlled explosion"

/didn't watch "Loose Change"
//saw the whole thing out my window
 
2007-05-04 2:21:39 PM  
Question No. 60 asks for an opinion about responsibility for the 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, and many people said they don't know.

Idiots! Anybody who watches Fox News knows Saddam Hussein did it!
 
2007-05-04 2:21:55 PM  
folding_bike: Waiting for someone to say: "WTC 7 was a controlled explosion"

What does 9/11 have to do with the US gov't kidnapping one of its own citizens, against the law, and torturing them? Don't revert to memeoplex thinking - deal with this issue without bringing up everything else.
 
2007-05-04 2:22:03 PM  
WTC was a controlled explosion
 
2007-05-04 2:28:29 PM  
Help an Anglo girl out here, please:

The first several years after he was arrested, the news media pronounced Jose Padilla's name "Puh-DEE-Yuh". Whenever I hear him referred to nowadays, his name is pronounced "Puh-DILL-Uh".

Is this common pronounciation of a Latin name, or is there some effort in the broadcast media to de-Latinize him (not that he didn't give up his Latino privileges when he became a Muslim, went to Pakistan and trained to become a Jihadi)?
 
2007-05-04 2:31:16 PM  
Since most people consider jury duty a huge inconvenience, and snicker that "only people so stupid they can't get out of jury duty are on juries", he'll get off the major charges.
 
2007-05-04 2:31:37 PM  
I know it would be wrong, but if say three years ago a transport truck tipped over and burned killing Jose it sure would have been a lot cheaper.

And that folks is something the gov'mnt is able to do.
 
2007-05-04 2:31:56 PM  
Manfred Richthoven:

Why is 9/11 being mentioned anyway? Padilla isn't being charged for 9/11 related stuff. He's being charged for conspiring with Al Queda to plant "dirty bombs."

It's jury selection. Anything goes when it comes to questioning potential jurors, although juror attitudes reagrding 9/11 are germane.
 
2007-05-04 2:34:22 PM  
Mateorocks "What bothers me about the legal system is that they couldn't once provide to me a decent lunch."

Hah, no kiddin. Try being on Grand jury for several months.
 
2007-05-04 2:34:33 PM  
Daybreakboys17

"Conspiracy nuts should be dragged into the street and shot in the head."

Exactly. That will teach them to question the government. It would also protect the governments' position on Free Speech and show the rest of the world America is a free country.

I bet you have lots of Crosses and American flags in your house don't you. Bonus for the velvet crying Jesus.
 
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