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MasterThief
2007-05-01 1:46:29 PM  
It's not informed commentary, it's HuffingtonPost!
 
Theaetetus
2007-05-01 2:40:42 PM  
Submitter fails at reading comprehension.

"But I suspect there's another reason we hesitated to jump back into the breach. Reading about the abortion decision, it was hard not to think: "Oh no, not this again." The issue of abortion rights is just more upsetting, more depressing and meaner than any other issue in American politics. Nothing else quite compares."

The section that references the NYTimes column is a simple analysis of how the "pro-life" position is really just thinly-veiled misogyny: "all pregnancies should be carried to term, either as a blessed gift to a happy family... or as divine punishment for a loose woman."
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2007-05-01 3:17:16 PM  
partial birth abortions?

"It's an abortion, not Whack-A-Mole"
 
TheSignPost
2007-05-01 3:18:08 PM  
More sex, not less.

It's the only way.


/ for me
// with Alyson Hannigan
/// and Kate Bosworth
//// thanks in advance
 
Pxtl
2007-05-01 3:18:28 PM  
The partial-birth abortion ban is the worst kind of political ratfarkery. It's a procedure banned on the basis of ickyness. If you're going to ban late-term abortions, or require that viable babies be delivered instead of aborted, do it. Don't ban a procedure - that's just moronic. It is no more or less ethical to kill a foetus by crushing it's skull than by dismemberment.
 
Theaetetus
2007-05-01 3:19:19 PM  
I love that "pro-lifers" are all concerned about the "inhumane" procedure of D&X, and would instead rather the fetus get dismembered while in the womb, ripped bodily limb from limb instead of being removed whole.

These people are transparent in their hate.
 
Turings_Other_Machine
2007-05-01 3:20:55 PM  
The whole issue is a farking magnet for weirdos.

Neal Boortz has the right idea - if anyone calls his show and mentions 'abortion', he hangs up.

/thinks issue should be decided with a pistol duel
 
Theaetetus
2007-05-01 3:21:35 PM  
Pxtl: The partial-birth abortion ban is the worst kind of political ratfarkery. It's a procedure banned on the basis of ickyness.

Moreover, it's a procedure deemed necessary and appropriate by the AMA and National Association of OB/GYN practicioners, banned by a bunch of old white guys with no medical training.
 
MindStalker
2007-05-01 3:22:55 PM  
I'm fairly anti-abortion (though I don't think the feds should have anything to say about it) but even I saw this as a fairly straight forward none crazy article. Oh well.
 
L.B. Jeffries
2007-05-01 3:22:56 PM  
(unless he's undergone elite military training to resist torture, or maybe starred in a Jackass movie)

There's nothing like being three pages deep in an article about the tragedy of abortion and you start thinking, "Hey, maybe I should lighten this article up a bit, maybe throw in a funny joke" and then I think "What a great spot to reference Johnny Knoxville".

/would've told a funnier joke
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2007-05-01 3:23:56 PM  
They should just shove a taser up her snatch. Maybe it'll ruin her plumbing so the huer can't kill anything else.

/pro-choice because I'm sensitive to women's issues
 
Rethorn
2007-05-01 3:25:19 PM  
Since when is abortion a right? What amendment was that again?
 
Svengali4Life
2007-05-01 3:25:29 PM  
Why should laws that are just thought-up by a bunch of dirty lawyers apply to Doctors, people dedicated to saving lives? Let's face it, while the Supreme Court may be smart they are no brain surgeons. Leave these types of decisions up to the Doctors.
 
Theaetetus
2007-05-01 3:27:07 PM  
Rethorn, the right to privacy can be found in the 5th, 10th and 14th Amendments, and that includes the right to have your private medical decisions not be dictated by the government. That covers everything from abortion to circumcision to appendectomies.
 
Axis of Weasel
2007-05-01 3:28:13 PM  
i thought the supreme court snuck that ruling in during the whole VT fiasco intentionally

/ puts on tinfoil hat
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2007-05-01 3:28:15 PM  
Republicans talk a lot of shiat about smaller government and more freedoms but it really only applies to their taxes, guns and not having to pay for social programs. Every other aspect of your life is their interest.

And what the right doesn't get you for with their religious fascist shiat, the left nails you with their politically correct thought police.
 
Bad_Seed
2007-05-01 3:28:21 PM  
Rethorn

Since when is abortion a right? What amendment was that again?

According to Justice Harry Blackmun, it's the 14th.
 
HarpiesBizarre
2007-05-01 3:29:38 PM  
Theatetus Wins thread

/shut it down
 
ZekeMacNeil [TotalFark]
2007-05-01 3:29:45 PM  

Moreover, it's a procedure deemed necessary and appropriate by the AMA and National Association of OB/GYN practicioners, banned by a bunch of old white guys with no medical training.

I know a woman who has been an ER nurse for over 20 years and according to her, she's only had a handful of patients who have undergone the so-called PBA procedure. All of the patients had suffered some sort of significant trauma (car crash, house fire etc.) and the pregnancies were already doomed, placing the life of the mother at grave risk.
 
p the boiler
2007-05-01 3:29:46 PM  
That article got very long and I go very sleepy
 
cchris_39
2007-05-01 3:29:56 PM  
"From a broad public-policy view, parental choice laws make no particular sense."

Is there any other surgical procedure that does not require parental consent? I guess the author is cool with his minor children arranging and having whatever sorts of surgical procedures the child deems necessary.
 
Highroller48
2007-05-01 3:30:22 PM  
Since when is abortion a right? What amendment was that again?

Learn the law, dipshiat.

If SCOTUS rules that something is a right, protected by their understanding and interpretation of the Constitution, then as a matter of law it becomes just that...a right. No amendment required. That's the way the Constitution doled out the power, so if you don't like it, don't blame the Court.
 
Loreweaver
2007-05-01 3:30:23 PM  
Subby needs a cockpunch, and should go back to school to learn reading comprehension.

While the article is definately written by a pro-choice advocate, no where in there do I see the writer blaming the supreme court decision on some secret agenda of the New York Times.

/Subby is a troll. Don't feed the troll (anymore).
 
daas_boot
2007-05-01 3:32:01 PM  
Wow, I'm definitely not concerned about this issue but could that article have been any more inflamatory or slanted towards pro-choice?
 
Theaetetus
2007-05-01 3:32:21 PM  
cchris_39:
Is there any other surgical procedure that does not require parental consent? I guess the author is cool with his minor children arranging and having whatever sorts of surgical procedures the child deems necessary.

You're not very imaginative.
Your kid starts choking on a peach pit at school, is quickly taken to the hospital where they go to perform a tracheotomy, but wait! They can't get in touch with you to get parental consent! Oh, well.
 
MajorGroove
2007-05-01 3:33:05 PM  
There is no such thing as "partial birth abortion." It is not a medically recognized term. It makes me cringe when people use it.

I similarly hate the word "abortionist." Do we call plastic surgeons "liposuctionists?" No? Then let's just call them "doctors."

/tangents FTW!
 
Theaetetus
2007-05-01 3:33:57 PM  
daas_boot, it was an opinion column. They're supposed to be slanted and inflamatory.

/except for Dave Barry. He's as wholesome as Hanna Barbera cartoons
//and as funny
 
stevecody
2007-05-01 3:34:13 PM  
Since we're banning medical procedures let's get rid of prostate UFIA s
 
forstmeister
2007-05-01 3:35:39 PM  
Mugato: They should just shove a taser up her snatch. Maybe it'll ruin her plumbing so the huer can't kill anything else.

/pro-choice because I'm sensitive to women's issues

Good G-D I hope that is your particular brand of sarcasm and your not really that hypocritical.

All kidding aside, why is it that the Supreme Court seems to think they know better when it comes to womens health and safety issues than the physicians who are looking after the women? Nobody is forcing the judges to have an abortion, so they shouldn't be able to force anyone to carry a pregnancy to term because they think it's better for the child to be resented and abused rather than never having existed in the first place.
 
rangerdavid
2007-05-01 3:36:02 PM  
Subby, your title is the only part of this worth reading. Article is lame, IMHO.
 
Pxtl
2007-05-01 3:36:14 PM  
Parental consent is a problem, since forcing a child to endure pregnancy and childbirth when otherwise (if they were an adult) they'd legally be able to avoid it, could be considered abuse.

Besides that, there is the problem of responsability for the resulting child. If a teen is denied the chance at an abortion by their parent, they are still responsible for caring for the kid once they grow up. Then again, the state already applies that logic to men - no right to an abortion, but legal responsability for the child.
 
forstmeister
2007-05-01 3:36:57 PM  
BTW, I have 3 kids of my own. Abortion was on the table with the first, but we made a choice that was best for us, and didn't consult any judges for their opinion.
 
Egalitarian
2007-05-01 3:36:59 PM  
David Brooks /= NYTimes as a whole

he's a conservative opinion columnist they print, to balance out Krugman or something.
 
Svengali4Life
2007-05-01 3:37:27 PM  
What term should we use rather than "Partial birth abortion".


/The word "Asshole" is not a medically recognized term but I know that you have an asshole and so do I.
 
Theaetetus
2007-05-01 3:38:42 PM  
forstmeister:
Nobody is forcing the judges to have an abortion, so they shouldn't be able to force anyone to carry a pregnancy to term because they think it's better for the child to be resented and abused rather than never having existed in the first place.

Incidentally, the only female SCOTUS judge to ever have a child voted against the ban.
 
Pxtl
2007-05-01 3:38:56 PM  
Svengali4Life - I believe the technical term is "Dilation and extraction" or something like that. D&X.
 
cchris_39
2007-05-01 3:39:03 PM  
Theaetetus - it shouldn't surprise anyone that you would equate a true life-saving emergency situation with a minor child arranging elective surgery.

You have all the judgement of that coughed up peach pit.
 
Quackedtheduck
2007-05-01 3:39:39 PM  
Svengali - It's called a D&C, I think
 
MajorGroove
2007-05-01 3:39:43 PM  
Svengali4Life

What term should we use rather than "Partial birth abortion".

How about "intact dilation and extraction?" That term worked just fine before some anti-abortion people decided it wasn't sensational enough.
 
toonz
2007-05-01 3:40:13 PM  
well, I didn't get upset because I was hungry.
 
MBooda [TotalFark]
2007-05-01 3:40:47 PM  
/hey, wait, that's the title of the article!
 
Theaetetus
2007-05-01 3:41:21 PM  
cchris_39:
Theaetetus - it shouldn't surprise anyone that you would equate a true life-saving emergency situation with a minor child arranging elective surgery.

You have all the judgement of that coughed up peach pit.

The point of all this is that D&X is not "elective surgery", it's a "life-saving emergency situation". But I can see how you'd want to completely ignore that, since it tears holes in every possible justification for the ban.

You have all the ethics and intellectual honesty of that peach pit.
 
Illindian Zombazi
2007-05-01 3:41:43 PM  
is there any other kind of sex?
 
Quackedtheduck
2007-05-01 3:41:53 PM  
cchris_39

Ah, yes, of course, the old "it's no big deal to be pregnant for nine months and risk serious complications in order to birth a child you're then responsible for for the next 18 years" argument. That sounds emminently reasonable. Minor elective surgery. Just like removing a hangnail.
 
mmm... pancake
2007-05-01 3:42:00 PM  
Mugato: Republicans talk a lot of shiat about smaller government and more freedoms but it really only applies to their taxes, guns and not having to pay for social programs. Every other aspect of your life is their interest.

What is it about abortions that makes them regulation free compared to the billions of other Liberal regulations telling us how to live our lives? What makes having an abortion a right but makes a restaurant owner who wants to serve foie gras a criminal?

/pro-choice
//hates hypocrites
 
MajorGroove
2007-05-01 3:42:01 PM  
Quackedtheduck

Svengali - It's called a D&C, I think

Not exactly. A D&C can either be an early pregnancy termination (first trimester), or it can be done to clean out the uterus after a natural miscarriage, or it can be done to remove an abnormal pregnancy (molar pregnancy), or it can be done to treat menstrual abnormalities. D&C and abortion are in no way synonymous.
 
j__z
2007-05-01 3:42:42 PM  
somebody post the 'oh geez not this sh#t again' pic. I'm to lazy to go and find it.
 
Theaetetus
2007-05-01 3:45:36 PM  
mmm... pancake: What makes having an abortion a right but makes a restaurant owner who wants to serve foie gras a criminal?

We went over this above, please review: the 4th, 10th, and 14th amendments make privacy a right, including the right to decide private medical decisions free from government intervention. Foie gras has nothing to do with privacy.

/and everything to do with yummy.
 
Quackedtheduck
2007-05-01 3:46:03 PM  
MajorGroove

Nifty. Learn something new every day.
 
Pxtl
2007-05-01 3:46:20 PM  
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