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(Some Guy)   Selective Outrage Dept.: Barack Obama, this year: "Don Imus should be fired for thos racist remarks." Last year: He participated in events with Nappy Roots and Ludacris, later saying how much he appreciated their cultural contributions   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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growinthings [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 1:53:49 PM  
This from the Wall St Journal, who says it is a waste of money to have medicare pay for memographys once ayear instead of once every 2 to 5 years for women over 65. In spite of the fact that early ectetion has raised breast cancer cure rate to the high 90's % wise. I wonder if John Fund who is the director of the WSJ opinion page will get his posrate exmained every 3 to 5 years when he is a senior.

Imus is a pig, he has said awful things for years. He should have been dealt with years ago.

Subby I am sureyou are a guy, and not a very open minded guy in terms of treating woman as equals. That's OK, john fund doesn't get it either.

Oh, BTW how would you have like your Mom or sister called a whore?
 
Whamdangler
2007-04-13 1:54:28 PM  
Oh the irony that submitter would select one person to be outraged at, citing selective outrage.
 
Jaboobinator
2007-04-13 2:00:24 PM  
DIAF submitter.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 2:02:53 PM  
growinthings: Oh, BTW how would you have like your Mom or sister called a whore?

Well, I wouldn't like it at all--no matter whether Don Imus said it or Ludacris did. Obama apparently doesn't mind the latter too much.
 
Mordant
2007-04-13 2:02:55 PM  
Whamdangler: Oh the irony that submitter would select one person to be outraged at, citing selective outrage.

I guess Hussein Obama done lost hisself a vote...


That he never had a chance at in the first place.
 
bonita_applebaum
2007-04-13 2:06:39 PM  
Imus is out of line. He's fired.

Ludacris is out of line. I don't buy his music, pay to see his films, etc.

It's about time people stopped farking finger-pointing.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 2:07:46 PM  
Whamdangler: Oh the irony that submitter would select one person to be outraged at, citing selective outrage.

Can't speak for submitter or anyone else, but it bugs me that Imus lost his job while guys like Ludacris get rich--both for saying exactly the same things.

I'm glad Imus was fired. But why is it cool for rappers and others to use such demeaning language while it's not okay for someone else?

I don't agree with Jesse Jackson very often, but I did when he said people of color need to stop using language like that themselves if they're going to complain whenever others do.
 
SunOfSam
2007-04-13 2:13:22 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin

Do you consider yourself the conservative warrior of Opinion Journal threads? Why do you almost always show up in them?
 
Whamdangler
2007-04-13 2:15:10 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Can't speak for submitter or anyone else, but it bugs me that Imus lost his job while guys like Ludacris get rich--both for saying exactly the same things.

Do you go out and protest against Ludacris? That's what people did, and it got Imus fired. They spoke their mind, because like you, what they heard bothered them. If you don't DO something about it, you can't really expect any results, can you?
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 2:17:36 PM  
Whamdangler: Do you go out and protest against Ludacris?

I just did, didn't I?

Snark off: Yes, I do. Next question, please.
 
Whamdangler
2007-04-13 2:26:49 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Yes, I do. Next question, please.

I have no more questions. I respect people who take action on their beliefs.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 2:48:17 PM  
Whamdangler: I respect people who take action on their beliefs.

Respect?!?!?? On FARK?!?!!!

Seriously--thanks. I agree with Obama that comments like Imus' demean women and contribute to all sorts of nasty things in our culture. Where I part ways with him is that when it was politically expedient he was all chummy with Ludacris and Nappy Roots and so on when they spew more of that stuff in a week than Imus has in his whole life.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 2:55:49 PM  
SunOfSam: Do you consider yourself the conservative warrior of Opinion Journal threads? Why do you almost always show up in them?

Cool! I have my very own stalker.
 
Brettster808 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-04-13 2:58:25 PM  
Hey I know! Let's make the Imus thing all about Obama!
 
MrWhipee
2007-04-13 3:31:36 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: I'm glad Imus was fired. But why is it cool for rappers and others to use such demeaning language while it's not okay for someone else?

The point is context. Rap songs are basically stories, told in the language of the community they come from. When they talk about a ho, they are talking about a certain type of woman in their hood, not a direct attack on a certain person. If Ludacris writes a rap called "Condi Rice is a Nappy Headed Ho", then the argument might hold water. Imus directed his poor attempt at humor at specific young students. It's all in the context of the comments.
 
Mordant
2007-04-13 3:38:55 PM  
I think we should appreciate this sudden fascination with rap lyrics and let the new little champions run with it. It may be an issue they didn't give a flying fark about last week, and will probably have been forgotten about as soon as the next scandal needs to be defended... but for now if they really want to address the matter and do some good then let's encourage them.
 
Abagadro
2007-04-13 3:54:22 PM  
Does absolutely no one around here understand the concept of context?
 
HotWingConspiracy
2007-04-13 4:01:58 PM  
What words can whitey have that no one else is allowed to say?
 
Maud Dib
2007-04-13 4:02:13 PM  
bonita_applebaum [TotalFark]

It's about time people stopped farking finger-pointing.


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Vaylon Kenadell
2007-04-13 4:02:22 PM  
Who farking gives a shiat about any of the people named in the headline?
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 4:02:57 PM  
MrWhipee: Rap songs are basically stories, told in the language of the community they come from.

Ah. So when I hear this from Ludacris...

Ho (Ho)
You'z a Ho, (Ho)
You'z a Ho, I said that you'z a Ho (Ho)
You'z a Ho, (Ho)

You'z a Ho, (Ho)
You'z a Ho, I said that you'z a Ho (Ho)

You doing Ho activities
With Ho tendencies
Hos are your friends,
Hos are your enemies

...I just need to keep in mind that he's a troubadour--a modern-day Bob Dylan? And that he's not contributing to the objectification of women or the general crudity of modern culture?

Good ol' context. What would we do without it?
 
ryarger
2007-04-13 4:03:30 PM  
You're very close to discovering the concept of context , subby.

Welcome to the 3rd grade.
 
One F Jef
2007-04-13 4:04:25 PM  
A black man at a rap concert.

STOP THE PRESSES.
 
NotSubby
2007-04-13 4:04:27 PM  
In other news, America has become a land of finger pointing perpetually offended creampuffs who will soon be bowing to their Chinese overlords.

Face it, We're doomed. When an off color remark churns up this much bile, we're going to get farked by someone not far down the road.

Growinthings,

You made me laugh. Has your hubby discovered you're a harpy?
 
cltbuilder
2007-04-13 4:05:00 PM  
Who is Don Imus? I've never heard of him.
 
Headso
2007-04-13 4:06:53 PM  
why is everyone comparing Imus to the rappers? did I miss all the rappers who featured the most powerful politicians in America on their albums?
 
muck4doo
2007-04-13 4:08:49 PM  
Hoz don't play hoop
 
The Homer Tax
2007-04-13 4:12:59 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Can't speak for submitter or anyone else, but it bugs me that Imus lost his job while guys like Ludacris get rich--both for saying exactly the same things.

You realize that Imus and Ludacris have differnt jobs, right?

A Male Stripper gets paid to dance around to music and take his clothes off. If he did that at his job, he would not be fired. Conversely, If I stood up on my desk right now and started dancing to music and taking my clothes off, I would be fired.

There's your answer.
 
ryarger
2007-04-13 4:15:46 PM  
NotSubby: You made me laugh. Has your hubby discovered you're a harpy?

Hm... she pointed out the idiocy of the WSJ and the subby and she's a harpy?

Perhaps a mental giant like yourself could hoist your pimply-faced fat ass away from your Glowing Teat of Truth, trudge out the basement and into the daylight for a few minutes to see how the real world works.
 
FeedTheCollapse
2007-04-13 4:17:14 PM  
MrWhipee: If Ludacris writes a rap called "Condi Rice is a Nappy Headed Ho", then the argument might hold water
please, because rappers are never known to start beefs with one another....


That said, all the "Where's the outrage over rappers?" people need to stop deflecting the issue onto those who weren't even involved in the first place and quit acting like there was never any offense taken over a rapper's lyrics.
 
Alien Syndrome
2007-04-13 4:17:48 PM  
Imus made a mistake but this is freedom of speech people, a concept that you on the left claim to represent and cherish.
 
ryarger
2007-04-13 4:18:10 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: I'm glad Imus was fired.

Did you join any of the protests or boycotts against him? When he gets a new job will you protest or boycott them as well?

If not, why do you consider him more worthy than Ludacris (who you have protested)?
 
NotSubby
2007-04-13 4:18:55 PM  
Headso,

"Did I miss all the rappers who featured the most powerful politicians in America on their albums?"

No, you missed the rappers that the powerful politicians have to pay tribute to by using their services and giving them glowing reviews afterwards.

I like the ho on the team that said she was scarred for life by his words. If I had skin that thin, I'd have been cut to pieces now by Spic, Potato puller, and Dago jokes.
 
ryarger
2007-04-13 4:21:25 PM  
Alien Syndrome: Imus made a mistake but this is freedom of speech people, a concept that you on the left claim to represent and cherish.

Absolutely, and he continues to be free to speak wherever he chooses. And media outlets are free to pay him to speak. And they can also choose not to pay him.

There is no free speech issue here. At all.
 
Speaker2Animals [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-04-13 4:21:58 PM  
MrWhippee
The point is context. Rap songs are basically stories, told in the language of the community they come from.

ROFLMAO. Guess who agrees with that:
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You people arguing "context" are hilarious. Admit it: Obama got pwned. Just like Whoopi Goldberg did by Opie and Anthony:
MP3 (pops)
 
Headso
2007-04-13 4:22:03 PM  
NotSubby: No, you missed the rappers that the powerful politicians have to pay tribute to by using their services and giving them glowing reviews afterwards.

oh, I didn't realize that he was only compared to rappers after the obama quote came to light...
 
NotSubby
2007-04-13 4:22:25 PM  
ryargr,

"Hm... she pointed out the idiocy of the WSJ and the subby and she's a harpy?"

Of course not. read the entire post. That's a screechy little screed.

"Perhaps a mental giant like yourself could hoist your pimply-faced fat ass away from your Glowing Teat of Truth, "

Harpies of a feather, and all that? *s*
 
The Homer Tax
2007-04-13 4:25:36 PM  
Alien Syndrome: Imus made a mistake but this is freedom of speech people, a concept that you on the left claim to represent and cherish.

*Bangs head on desk*

This is not a freedom of speech issue. The government didn't punish Imus for what he said, his employer(s) did. That's what "Freedom of Speech" is - the *government* cannot punish you for your speech.

Your employer can do whatever the fark he wants, to claim that he can't would be a violation of *his* freedom of speech.

To test this theory, go in to work on Monday wearing a shirt that says "I hate Black People." When they fire you, see how far exclaiming "Freedom of Speech!" will get you.
 
ryarger
2007-04-13 4:26:21 PM  
Speaker2Animals: Admit it: Obama got pwned.

If he had ever even said one word of praise or respect for Ludacris' lyrics, you *might* have a point.

The truth is that Obama met with Ludacris to ask him to write a rap about safe sex: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20061130/ai_n16910147

Odd that that was left out of the Hannity version of the story.
 
NotSubby
2007-04-13 4:29:02 PM  
Headso,

"oh, I didn't realize that he was only compared to rappers after the obama quote came to light.."

I personally don't care that Obama met with the rappers and said good things. I don't care much about rap, and of the Dems, I'd vote for 'Bamma over the others anyway.

What I originally said is we've become a thin skinned bunch of pussies if we (as a society) have made such an issue out of this. You could have leveled San fran and it wouldn't have been covered because we had ourselves a little race "discussion" going on.

I'm glad I grew up in a time where my mom would tell me to suck it up when someone would call me a greaser or the like.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 4:29:19 PM  
ryarger: Did you join any of the protests or boycotts against him? When he gets a new job will you protest or boycott them as well?

Have you protested against Hitler? Why do you love Nazis?
 
BunkoSquad
2007-04-13 4:29:20 PM  
HotWingConspiracy: What words can whitey have that no one else is allowed to say?

* I'm very honored to be named CEO of this Fortune 500 Company.

* I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
 
BunkoSquad
2007-04-13 4:31:59 PM  
After further review, it turns out that four of the Fortune 500 companies have black CEOs. BunkoSquad regrets the error.
 
apeiron242
2007-04-13 4:32:08 PM  
The only racist thing about this whole debacle is that Imus is under fire because he's WHITE. His comment was smack talk, that's it. Had a black guy said it, it would have been viewed for what it is.

"How many times to Jesse and Oprah have to tell you? Only white people can be racist!"
 
meddlin' kid
2007-04-13 4:32:19 PM  
first off, why is a farking wall street journal piece linked as "some guy?" that's farking asinine, MODS.

second off, i think there's a good point to be made here. obama goes after imus for using negative language about black people and embraces ludacris without condemning his use of language. if the point is that white people can't say racist shiat that black people can (which is fine with me...i don't see an urban black comic getting away with jeff foxworthy's routine), then obama should say that when he calls for imus' white ass to be fired.

if not, it'd be great if obama met with someone like ludacris and afterwards said, "we talked about uplifting the black community and i pushed him to start with the words he uses in his lyrics" or something.

...it's possible to find common ground with people without losing your integrity is the point.

/it's also possible to get greenlit without sacrificing your integrity, subber
//not that i've been greenlit, but i've read WSJ shiat before and on purpose
 
muck4doo
2007-04-13 4:32:53 PM  
Keep up the good work farkers. I am taking notes on this thread so I can also learn to "spin" a turd into gold.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 4:35:45 PM  
meddlin' kid: //not that i've been greenlit, but i've read WSJ shiat before and on purpose

LOL. I love it when a link from WSJ or NRO gets greenlit under "Some Guy" and people start sniveling about someone sneaking a conservative headline into the queue.

I'd complain similarly when links from Media Matters, Huff Post, Daily Kos or a brazillion other liberal sources get greenlit, but I have better ways to spend 50 hours a week.
 
Abagadro
2007-04-13 4:36:10 PM  
meddlin' kid: why is a farking wall street journal piece linked as "some guy?" that's farking asinine, MODS.


Seems to be the trend these days. WSJ, WND, Newsmax, LGF are all being linked as "some guy." If I was of a conspiratorial mindset I would think that it was intentional obfuscation.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-04-13 4:36:39 PM  
meddlin' kid: first off, why is a farking wall street journal piece linked as "some guy?" that's farking asinine, MODS.

Slamming the mods makes Baby Jebus cry, MK.
 
Alien Syndrome
2007-04-13 4:36:49 PM  
ryarger

The Homer Tax

The media can choose to fire him (which it does to any one it considers even remotely "un-pc"), I'm not arguing that. What I was referring to is the constant hate, whining and personal attacks towards Imus. Give the man a break and focus on something more newsworthy.
 
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