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omigodiAMjesus
2007-03-19 12:32:49 PM  
Good flame bait, submitter. I'll see you again when a radio station in Indiana runs an ad for a book that calls 'secular humanists' or atheists the spawn of the devil and the cause of the downfall of American values, right?
 
the_gospel_of_thomas
2007-03-19 12:32:52 PM  
"A 30-second radio ad for a book was taken off the air Wednesday by KDFC-FM, the San Francisco classical station, when it drew complaints from listeners after airing a few times.

The advertisement for "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America," by Chris Hedges, published in January by Free Press, was tailored to play only in the Bay Area, to promote local appearances by the author.

"We thought the demographic for the station would jibe perfectly with the readership for the book," said Suzanne Donahue, associate publisher of Free Press, a division of New York-based Simon & Schuster. "

Amazing.

they should also advertise on fark.

/just sayin'
 
GaryPDX
2007-03-19 12:47:34 PM  
San Francisco?

What do you expect?
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 1:11:10 PM  
Except that it didn't say all Christians are bigoted fascists.

Religious persecution?
Not yours.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 1:18:32 PM  
omigodiAMjesus: I'll see you again when a radio station in Indiana runs an ad for a book that calls 'secular humanists' or atheists the spawn of the devil and the cause of the downfall of American values, right?

You're on. As long as they claim they're doing it only because their audience is so open-minded and tolerant.

/submitter
 
Nabb1
2007-03-19 1:36:42 PM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: they should also advertise on fark.

Good idea. They'd probably sell thousands. Assuming they keep the big words to a minimum. And throw in a box of crayons.
 
Calmamity
2007-03-19 1:44:47 PM  
A. Neither the book nor the ad said a damn thing about "all" of anybody.

B. *Ctrl-F* Find: bigot. Phrase not found.

C. The quote in your headline does not exist in the story.

You suck at headline submission. Even your trolling is sub-par.

D minus.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 1:59:10 PM  
Calmamity: You suck at headline submission. Even your trolling is sub-par. I wish I'd gotten a green light for this

FTFY.
 
TheConvincingSavant
2007-03-19 2:02:25 PM  
In the end, the audience had a problem not with the book but with the ad copy. Written by the publisher's promotion department, it included these lines:

"In his new bestseller, Chris Hedges challenges the Christian Right and its dark ideology. He challenges their religious legitimacy and makes a compelling case that these zealots have merely found a mask for fascism in patriotism and the pages of the Bible."

Looks like an all statement to me Calmamity. It is intellectually dishonest to state that all of the Christian Right is akin to a bunch of facists. I don't care how far on the west side of San Franciso you live, it's still wrong.
 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:09:51 PM  
HansensDisease: Except that it didn't say all Christians are bigoted fascists.

Religious persecution?
Not yours.

Gays are the cause of the breakdown of marriage.

I didn't say all gays, just the ones that are causing it.

Wait, I just disproved your point, didn't I?
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 2:12:05 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Looks like an all statement to me

Absolutely. Because we all know that every single Christian on earth is a right winger.

Religious persecution?
Still not yours.
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 2:14:01 PM  
I_C_Weener: Gays are the cause of the breakdown of marriage.

I didn't say all gays, just the ones that are causing it.

Wait, I just disproved your point, didn't I?

No. You just proved yourself to be one of the bigots though.
 
RocketRod
2007-03-19 2:16:24 PM  
"We thought the demographic for the station would jibe perfectly with the readership for the book," said Suzanne Donahue, associate publisher of Free Press, a division of New York-based Simon & Schuster.

"We were surprised by the vociferous response," she said by phone Thursday. "It's San Francisco, and you think of it as being open-minded, very left-leaning and a very receptive audience for the ad for the book."


"Thinking" and "knowing" are two different concepts that seem hard for this demographic to accept.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:16:50 PM  
HansensDisease: Except that it didn't say all Christians are bigoted fascists.

No; just those Christians with the unmitigated gall to actually, you know, SAY something about it out in public.

Closet Christians who keep quiet and don't tell anyone are just fine.
 
sigdiamond2000
2007-03-19 2:17:27 PM  
GaryPDX

San Francisco?

What do you expect?

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HansensDisease
2007-03-19 2:17:41 PM  
I_C_Weener: Wait, I just disproved your point, didn't I?

If you had stated that liberal gays are the cause and I claimed that you were persecuting all gays then I would be guilty of the same hand wringing that subby is.

Just to make it clear for you. Since obviously you don't understand plain English.
 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:18:03 PM  
HansensDisease: No. You just proved yourself to be one of the bigots though.

Hardly. You just proved ASS U ME. I don't believe it, but you sure can run with a sentence.

I didn't include all, but you assumed I did. Way to go cowboy.

Whites are causing hurricanes to hit New Orleans. I didn't say all, just ones named Bush.
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 2:19:26 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: No; just those Christians with the unmitigated gall to actually, you know, SAY something about it out in public.

All Christians aren't right wingers. Fred Phelps does not equal Desmond Tutu.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:20:01 PM  
Only on Fark can you post a story about how someone in the world capital of tolerance and open-mindedness tars a whole group with the same brush--and is actually SURPRISED to find out not everyone agrees--and have people complain that it didn't really happen because the headline uses a word that isn't in the story.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:22:24 PM  
HansensDisease: I would be guilty of the same hand wringing that subby is

Subby here. Just for the record, I am not wringing my hands. I am instead laughing my arse off not only at the cluelessness of those who engage in bigotry while accusing others of same, but also the endless amusement of those rushing to their defense based on allegedly poor grammar in the headline.

Yes, I mean you.
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 2:24:41 PM  
I_C_Weener: Whites are causing hurricanes to hit New Orleans. I didn't say all, just ones named Bush.

Why do you hate America?

Cowboy.

Go re-read what I said and not what you ASSumed.

Get back to me next year when you understand it.

I didn't include all, but you assumed I did. Way to go cowboy.

If you made that statement about any gays and meant it you are both incorrect and a bigot.

Oh wait. I disproved your point, didn't I?
 
TheConvincingSavant
2007-03-19 2:24:52 PM  
2007-03-19 02:19:36 PM Corvus

See my post above. I've highlighted the hard parts in bold.
 
The Homer Tax
2007-03-19 2:27:39 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Only on Fark can you post a story about how someone in the world capital of tolerance and open-mindedness tars a whole group with the same brush--and is actually SURPRISED to find out not everyone agrees--and have people complain that it didn't really happen because the headline uses a word that isn't in the story.

You know that the "Christian Right" != "Christians," right?
 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:29:49 PM  
HansensDisease: Get back to me next year when you understand it.

Alright internet tough guy, you asked for it. Pfffffffffft!!!!!

If you made that statement about any gays and meant it you are both incorrect and a bigot.

Wrong. If a woman steals a man from a marriage, she helped ruin it. If a man steals a man from a marriage, he helped ruin it. See, critical thinking...a dead art.
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 2:30:03 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Yes, I mean you.

Huh? You made an accusation that is demonstrably incorrect. It has nothing to do with grammar.

Again. All Christians are not right wingers. That blows your lame troll out of the water.

Personally, I suspect you're feeling guilty and defensive about your belief system.
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 2:32:30 PM  
I_C_Weener: Wrong. If a woman steals a man from a marriage, she helped ruin it. If a man steals a man from a marriage, he helped ruin it. See, critical thinking...a dead art.

You stated: "Gays are the cause of the breakdown of marriage." Now you contradict yourself. Make up your mind.

Logical thinking. A dead art.
 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:36:09 PM  
HansensDisease: Logical thinking. A dead art.

Ok dumbass. I also said I don't believe it. It was illustrative. English is not your first language is it?

You sure are ready to pin labels on people and accuse them...yet, your profile of understanding and tolerance calls out "tards". Step up Mr. Virtue, I want to be like you. Glass house and all.
 
BobtheFascist
2007-03-19 2:41:34 PM  
You know? It is possible there are a few people in SF that understand true tolerance & open-mindedness. Maybe, just maybe, they're trying to lead by example instead of rallying around some bomb-throwing wingnut.

I know, I know. It's crazy talk.
 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:42:39 PM  
BobtheFascist: I know, I know. It's crazy talk.

From a guy calling himself a facist? Hmmm, I think you might not be so facist after all. I'll need to see your card.
 
Weaver95
2007-03-19 2:44:33 PM  
"We were surprised by the vociferous response," she said by phone Thursday. "It's San Francisco, and you think of it as being open-minded, very left-leaning and a very receptive audience for the ad for the book."

No, your listeners obviously didn't want to support bigotry. Now quit being an asshat and shut the hell up already.
 
Jabber
2007-03-19 2:45:09 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: He challenges their religious legitimacy and makes a compelling case that these zealots have merely found a mask for fascism in patriotism and the pages of the Bible."

I don't see anything wrong with what he said. There is a group of people out there who hide behind their religion and jingoism to get themselves into power. Many of these people are ruining this country. To even pretend like he said "all Christians" is a lame attempt to manufacture outrage.
 
Razorwolf
2007-03-19 2:47:18 PM  
I keep re-reading this article based on you chuckleheads trying to bring submitter (yeah I know who you are, and subby is less letter) down for NRTFA, but honestly I keep looking at the wording. No matter which way I look at it, subby is right, and just chose to use words that weren't in the article to summarize. I'm not even sure what my whole opinion on this article is, but the headline matches the article. Somehow that and standpoints got tied together.
 
Abagadro
2007-03-19 2:48:22 PM  
Jabber: a lame attempt to manufacture outrage.

That's what these people live for.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:53:39 PM  
HansensDisease: Personally, I suspect you're feeling guilty and defensive about your belief system.

Personally, I suspect you don't have the tiniest scrap of knowledge about me OR my belief system and are inferring from your assumptions. Here's to you, Mr. Logical Thought, "Oh where has the intellectual rigor gone?!?!??" Guy.

But let me hasten to add that I have greatly enjoyed your free long-distance double-blind psychoanalysis and assure you that it has been worth every cent I paid for it.

Thanks for the laughs. Keep 'em coming.
 
BobtheFascist
2007-03-19 2:54:17 PM  
I_C_Weener - I'll need to see your card.

Card? Nobody told me about no steenking card.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 2:55:24 PM  
Razorwolf: No matter which way I look at it, subby is right, and just chose to use words that weren't in the article to summarize.

Get with the program. Obviously subby had the obligation to craft an abstract that would stand up in court against cross-examination by F. Lee Bailey and Johnnie Cochrane and he totally blew it.
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 2:59:43 PM  
I_C_Weener: Ok dumbass. I also said I don't believe it. It was illustrative. English is not your first language is it?

Unlike you, I know what the word "the" means.

And no, you didn't say you don't believe it. Until just now and after I called you on it.

your profile of understanding and tolerance calls out "tards". Step up Mr. Virtue, I want to be like you.

I never claimed to be a paragon of virtue, unlike intolerant wingers who use religion as a tool.

By the way "Tu Quoque" arguments are fundamentally invalid. I bet Latin isn't even your last language however.
 
Jabber
2007-03-19 3:00:12 PM  
Razorwolf: I keep re-reading this article based on you chuckleheads trying to bring submitter (yeah I know who you are, and subby is less letter) down for NRTFA, but honestly I keep looking at the wording.No matter which way I look at it, subby is right, and just chose to use words that weren't in the article to summarize. I'm not even sure what my whole opinion on this article is, but the headline matches the article. Somehow that and standpoints got tied together.

I still don't see the word "all" in the article, no matter how many times I read it.
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 3:03:59 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Personally, I suspect you don't have the tiniest scrap of knowledge about me OR my belief system

How do you know? Maybe I'm your creepy neighbor. Or one of the anti-christian demons that read your mind and make you secretly wank it to teh ghey pron! Which you must because all San Franciscan are raving drag queens.

Put on the tin foil! Quick!

/Laugh at that, Merv
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 3:05:14 PM  
Razorwolf: subby is right, and just chose to use words that weren't in the article to summarize

Jabber: I still don't see the word "all" in the article, no matter how many times I read it

Am I missing something here?
 
Jabber
2007-03-19 3:09:08 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Am I missing something here?

There is nothing in the article that even pretends like the author meant "all Christians". Or do you think that "The Religious Right" means "all Christians"?
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 3:12:03 PM  
HansensDisease:

/Laugh at that, Merv

Okay:

[image from i109.photobucket.com too old to be available]
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 3:18:07 PM  
Jabber: There is nothing in the article that even pretends like the author meant "all Christians". Or do you think that "The Religious Right" means "all Christians"?

I think it means "all Christians who also happen to be politically conservative," which is the whole "tarring a group with a single brush" comment I made earlier.

If this headline was about Sean Hannity saying something nasty about the "Hard Left" I suspect we wouldn't even be having this argument.
 
TheConvincingSavant
2007-03-19 3:18:32 PM  
2007-03-19 02:45:09 PM Jabber

TheConvincingSavant: He challenges their religious legitimacy and makes a compelling case that these zealots have merely found a mask for fascism in patriotism and the pages of the Bible."

I don't see anything wrong with what he said. There is a group of people out there who hide behind their religion and jingoism to get themselves into power. Many of these people are ruining this country. To even pretend like he said "all Christians" is a lame attempt to manufacture outrage.

Whole lot of spinning up in here. Here is the entire quote from the ad in tfa: "In his new bestseller, Chris Hedges challenges the Christian Right and its dark ideology. He challenges their religious legitimacy and makes a compelling case that these zealots have merely found a mask for fascism in patriotism and the pages of the Bible."

Once again the hard parts are in bold. The ad states "the Christian Right." The, in this case, is inclusive; meaning all Christian Right. If a team wins a game you don't say most of one team won the game, you say "the" team won.

The ad narrows its bigotry to one segment of Christians, those on the political right.

It cannot be proven that all of those on the Christian Right are facists, but because this statement was made, it can be proven that the ad was bigoted.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-03-19 3:22:33 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Once again the hard parts are in bold. The ad states "the Christian Right." The, in this case, is inclusive; meaning all Christian Right. If a team wins a game you don't say most of one team won the game, you say "the" team won.

Ssshh. Don't go using logic and grammar like that. It's not fair.
 
HansensDisease
2007-03-19 3:24:00 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Okay:

Why yes. Yes you are making yourself look stupid.

I notice you didn't actually defend yourself from my parlor psychoanalysis. Just what evil perversion are you trying to hide beneath your self-righteousness?

Will I read about you and a gay hooker and/or meth dealer? Or will it turn out that you were pointing the finger at someone else while cheating on your wife and schtupping your intern? Are you embezzling from your church? Tell us!

Or... you could cast that first stone! Don't look at the mote in your own eye!

Whoooooohoooo!
 
krelborne
2007-03-19 3:25:14 PM  
Not ALL Christians. Just the ones who don't vote for the right people.
 
Jabber
2007-03-19 3:25:28 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: The ad narrows its bigotry to one segment of Christians, those on the political right.

Well, he's right. It's the Religious Right, which cares more about other people's sex lives than helping those in need, that's ruining this country. It's because of people like Dobson and Falwell that we are stuck with Bush right now.
 
TheConvincingSavant
2007-03-19 3:27:13 PM  
It's because of people like Dobson and Falwell that we are stuck with Bush right now.

People like Dobson and Falwell are not all of the Religious Right.
 
Jabber
2007-03-19 3:28:16 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: People like Dobson and Falwell are not all of the Religious Right.

You're right, I forgot about Ted Haggard.
 
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