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2002-08-12 02:32:25 PM  
Like others who have posted in this link, I too was in NYC on September 11. My office is way downtown. I was getting prepared for the day trading when someone yelled out that a plane hit the Trade Center. We all thought it was a small plane. We could not see the north tower because our view was blocked by the south tower. I went back to my desk to continue working. Just after 9am I said to myself, 'I wonder if they put out the fire yet?'
I went back to the window to see if they were successful. Little did I know what really happend. I was watching the smoke and debris for about a minut. Then this plan comes zooming past our building about 200 yards away. I said out loud, 'man that guy is getting really close to get a look at the fire'! Then boom, right through the building. It was surreal. The building just swallowed the plan. I ran back to the trading floor. I yelled to everyone, 'another plane hit the second tower, it was no accident, they are trying to take them down!".
i am starting to shake while I write this so i am going to stop now. Maybe I will post more later.
2002-08-12 02:37:46 PM  
nothing amazing, but here are some pictures me and a coworker took on october 24th, 2001...pretty much the final days of the company i was working at...anyhow the first one on the page, to the left is the subway stop i was coming up at when it all started on 9/11 (broadway/john st.)
2002-08-12 02:39:29 PM  
errr duh...need coffee the images
2002-08-12 02:43:52 PM  
9/11 was a horrible thing, but certainly not the greatest tragedy of modern times. I'm not trolling, it's just how I feel.

People die and are at war every day. Serbs, Palestinians, Suicide bombers. There are people who witness similar tragedies every day of their god damned life.

For me, 9/11 was an awakening. Not for my love of America... it didn't make me more patriotic. It made me realize that I live in a very small world... and the seems burst open at those horrid images on that horrid day

... but then, in the back of my mind, I knew it would be sensationalized and milked to no end by the public. The melodramatic press and the majority of the American people will wave their flags and cry - bandwagon patriots galore.

And everyone will sob for America.

I'm proud to live here. But I also know that America is pretentious and most of its people are ignorant. That's exactly the problem. The moment something bad happens in America, that happens almost every day in some far-off fairly and third-wolrd country, it's the greatest tragedy that's ever happened.

I think that's bullshiat.

As for this journalist: A brave man. Good photos. To think that his eyes behind a lense perhaps shut him out partially to the reality of what was happening. In a trance, I'm sure he walked forth into the rubble taking photos but equally shutting himself out. It's eerie to think he had no idea of his demise... and these phantoms of the last moment of his life not only encapsulate a tragic moment in American history but also its microcosm: the human lives that were lost as a result of it.
2002-08-12 02:45:11 PM  
re: tourists

I know a few people and have heard MANY stories from others, about how tourists go see the WTC like it was part of their tour. Empire state building, Statue of liberty, and then ground zero. They had no apparent emotional attachment to the site or what it ment, but were just there to see what they saw on tv. I'm not saying all tourists are like this, just the few I know.

What makes me even sicker is that they'll be at home on Sept. 11 and glued to their TV's watching the memorial service like it's a soap opera, being entertained by the river of human emotion. I think that's why NYers have resented it when others are saddened, because their 'grief' is totally different than ours. We feel like you saw it all on TV like it was the Tuesday morning movie, and don't have the feeling that YOU could have been any one of those people falling, anyone of those people running away, anyone of those people dead could be a member of your family. Not to mention the devastation of our home town or having every stable thing in your life disrupted (like the phones, the power, the internet, school, the subway, looking downtown and seeing a gigantic black cloud engulf your neighborhood....I will never forget going out for groceries on 9/12 and there not being a single jug of bottled water or milk or a single piece of bread in the 4 supermarkets I went to). Pardon the expression but 9/11 hit so close to home, unlike anything before. Tourists may have been saddened by Sept. 11, but they still don't know how deep the wound is for us.

I'm reminded of a story about famous Vietnam writer Tim O'Brien ("The Things They Carried", "If I Die in a Combat Zone, Box Me Up and Ship Me Home"). He was at this book signing, and a woman came up to him and said (paraphrase), "Wow, I love your books, etc., I really know how you feel." to which he angrily responded, "No you don't. You can read every book on Vietnam, you will never know what it was like there, and you will never understand how I feel."

I don't mean to compare NYers to vets, but it's the same idea.
2002-08-12 02:46:32 PM  
I live 2 buildings away from the WTC (75 West Street NY, NY) I moved there in the spring. One of the saddest circumstances to surface as a result of this event is the shameless peddling of WTC goods by street vendors. The streets around my apartment are painted with simple tourists wearing fanny-packs and USA t shirts. These people are pests. They sit in front of the WTC site, staring at a large pit of dirt and machinery. There is nothing to see. What is more disheartening is all the cheap, ridiculous merchandise they buy. It makes me sick to see these hicks contribute to the exploitation of an tragedy so serious. It has become a tourist attraction, like the grand canyon or an amusement park. If you are planning to come to NYC to see the site-DONT, stay home, there is nothing to see.
2002-08-12 02:53:16 PM  
i remember, shortly after 9/11, a bunch of friends of mine got in a huge argument with another friend. he was biatching that americans are so desensitized when it comes to shiat like this, that by february, everyone would've forgotten this had happened. we were all like, "what the fark?!" in hindsight, i'll admit he had a good point, but it's amazing how much of a deep scar this really did leave on most of us. i didn't think, back then, that seeing pictures about 9/11 in the future would trigger such an emotional response.

great photos and stories, by the way.
2002-08-12 02:53:54 PM  
Here's some pictures I took that day from my place in Brooklyn
2002-08-12 02:55:24 PM  
Nabb1 That Disney print is an older print. It wasn't commissioned for September 11th.
2002-08-12 03:02:33 PM  
If i go to newyork, i will go look at ground zero. but i won't be buying/wearing merchandise, i won't be taking smiling pictures. on 9/11, i was not watching tv like a tuesday night movie, i was horrified and sick to my stomach thinking about the people in the buildings, at the pentagon, in the planes, and all the bystanders and rescue workers.

thelander: 'We feel like you saw it all on TV like it was the Tuesday morning movie, and don't have the feeling that YOU could have been any one of those people falling, anyone of those people running away, anyone of those people dead could be a member of your family.'

yup. you're right. i was like 'man, that could never have happened to me. i don't live in america, i don't go to work, i don't walk down streets near tall buildings, and i don't care about anyone but myself.' man, let people feel the same things you did! YES we did have that feeling.
2002-08-12 03:03:01 PM  
BigHonky, Snopes ain't hearin' yo jive.
2002-08-12 03:05:20 PM  
I'd like to think that if I had been there, I would have been running towards the fire like this guy. But he did it, and I wasn't there. Hats off.
2002-08-12 03:08:26 PM  
Well said Wil [image from too old to be available]

The moment I found out about the WTC attack was surreal as well... I live in California, and I'd slept in on my day off.

I turned on my computer, went to check my yahoo mail, and saw the "world trade center towers collapse" headline in Yahoo news. I thought "very funny Yahoo." I thought they were doing a "what if" scenario, or something to that effect.

It was only then that I heard MSNBC wafting through the house from the kitchen, where my mom had the TV on. It was then that it hit me. :(
2002-08-12 03:13:58 PM  
ThePhil - glad to hear you think that. i don't agree with you at all, but that's my opinion. that's what makes our country so great. you can have your religion, i can have mine. fun.
2002-08-12 03:15:23 PM  
I'll never forget watching CBS when the first tower fell.

Dan Rather was yammering about something, who knows what, while the building crumbled. He just kept talking and talking and I was thinking "DAN! LOOK AT YOUR FRICKIN MONITOR!"

A few moments later, Dan stops musing to himself and says something to the effect of "We have received an unconfirmed report that part of one of the towers may have collapsed."

After we all watched it happen. Not the most impressive news reporting I've ever seen...
2002-08-12 03:17:08 PM  
I don't actually feel that much different because of the WTC and Pentagon Attacks... I know some of you are going to flip out and start being beligerant, but it is the truth. I do think that the loss of life was tragic, and that attacks on a civilian population is monsterous, but as for personal feelings, not so much.

For all of you who did lose friends and family, you have my deepest sympathy.
2002-08-12 03:18:26 PM  
The pics are amazing. That guy had some balls.
2002-08-12 03:36:25 PM  

hey does anyone know what the plan is for this coming 9/11?
is everyone off of work?
i work at home but if i had a boss who wanted me to come to work that day, i think i'd quit

Are you kidding? My boss and immediate project lead still can't understand why this bothers some people. I actually got chewed out for trying to follow the story that day.
2002-08-12 03:39:16 PM  
I was living in Hawaii, but at the time it happened we were sound asleep. (East coast is 5-6 hours ahead of Hawaii time). Around 9 am my neighbor comes hysterically running to our door in her pj's and fluffy shoes and curlers in her hair yelling about how the twin towers were blown up. We had no TV, but pulled up the CNN website and wow . . . .unbelievable.
2002-08-12 03:39:18 PM  
I'll admit I gave up reading all of the posts in this thread about halfway through - after all, I am at work. So forgive me if this is a repeat.

To all of you who think it's inappropriate for tourists to visit the WTC site, please understand that tourism isn't all "Disney World feel-good-stuff." there are many historical, yet serious tourism spots. The U.S.S. Arizona Memorial, site of the Battle of the Little Bighorn, the Alamo, Normandy cemeteries, Arlington Cemetery, Daly Plaza . . . .the list goes on.

Personally, I can't think of a time of more somber significance than my visit to the Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor. It affected me to a magnitude I could not have foreseen. Sometimes we need reminders of the cost of freedom in order to better appreciate it. On my next visit to NYC, please don't fault me for wanting to see the historic site where so many heroes fell. My visit will be one of respectful admiration and sober recollection.
2002-08-12 03:39:55 PM  
I actually got chewed out for trying to follow the story that day.

Your boss is an asshole. My boss and I stood in someone's office for about an hour while the first tower collapsed. Anyone who expects something of that magnitude to have no effect on your productivity is a farking moron
2002-08-12 03:41:12 PM  
I remember eating lunch at after 3pm that day since it was impossible to get out of DC. We rode across the Key Bridge near Georgetown and you could see the smoke shooting up from the Pentagon. People were just stopped on the bridge, using the fencing to hold them up as they cried.

At lunch, I watched as this lady in an Air Force uniform tried to sip her tea. She couldn't keep from shaking and as the tea cup got closer and closer it shook more and more.
Then she just collapsed., broke down, and her friends all held her up. I did'nt bother her or ask if there was anything I could do so I never knew that lady or her story.

At that point is pretty much when I knew that the American people, and our allies, were all in this together. We are not perfect. We are not flawless.

We are a great nation made up of great people.
2002-08-12 03:42:07 PM  
Okay, I'm back! I think the shaking was due to lack of food. Now that I have had my fill, I will continue.....
The second plane crashes into the tower, we all were scared. We grabbed our stuff and in a calm orderly manner proceeded to evacuate the building. Out on the street it was chaotic, but it was a controlled chaos. Poeple were walking towards the SI ferry and the Brooklyn Bridge. All the foot traffic was moving away from the towers. All the vehicle traffic was racing towards them. Police, Fire and EMT. After twenty minutes on the street, we decided to go back up to our office, since we felt it was safe.
About five minutes after we get back into the office we hear a very loud roar. Someone yelled out that it was another plane. We all then took the stairs to the lobby. By the time we got to the lobby the building was covered in the plume of smoke and debris. We had no clue that the tower collapsed.
I am going to cut this short now. When I saw the towers burning, I was only thinking about the people who I knew were in those buildings. Since then, whenever anything bad happens to me or someone I know, I say, "It could be worse."
2002-08-12 03:42:29 PM  
Thanks whoever posted this link. I didn't know the guy, but he was the father from the best friend of a poster on the same message board I was on last year... Very impressive, these pics.

Btw, I still have a 9-11 picture as my desktop. Sometimes I think it's been a long time and it's time to change it, but I never do.

[image from too old to be available]
2002-08-12 03:43:45 PM  
When I went to work that day (AST), My boss put my on information detail. He used to work there. It was the only time at that job that I got to put my skills to work.
2002-08-12 03:50:21 PM  

DO they know it was real? It wasn't a made for TV movie???

I've thought about this extensively, and I think that for most people, the answer is both yes and no. They believe that it is real, but can't quite reach the same level of reality as the rest of us who were here to see with our own eyes what went on. It's not necessarily their fault, as sympathy and empathy can realistically only go so far; but there is definitely a difference.

Yes, the answer is yes and now, at least for me. This may sound sick, but I have to see the pics over and over again, just to prove to myself that it is real. I never got the pleasure of visiting the WTC, and now I never will. It never existed beyond description and pictures, much as Mecca might for me as well. So I have to see the film. I have to hear the "holy fark" of the photographer as they film. I have to hear the total strangers -- in New York -- screaming at each other in differently accented English, "What are those people going to do?"

It is that which makes it real for me.
2002-08-12 03:50:59 PM  

I just don't understand how you could have the same feelings I do - like you said, you live in a different country and in a rural area I assume, so how can you know how I feel in order to compare it to the way you feel in order to make them equal? Indeed, I don't know how you feel and can't compare, but I assume my feelings are deeper and stronger because I walked by the WTC almost every day of my life. So you may understand why I/we feel resententment to those who say they were deeply affected, when they go see the towers and mourn. I don't think that you're mourning in the same way I would, because you didn't know the towers or the people like I did. I'm not saying you didn't have feelings, or they weren't deep, I think ours were just 5x that. It makes me upset when you say "I feel the way you did," because you're saying that I feel like someone who didn't live here, and didn't see it with their own eyes.

I'm not making a direct comparison, but lets say your mother died. If a distant relative came up to you at the funeral and said "I feel the same way you feel," wouldn't you be upset that your feelings are being equaled to those of a stranger?

I'm not saying you don't have feelings about what happened - I'm sure you all do - just don't equal them to mine.
2002-08-12 03:53:10 PM  
Thelelander: Well said. The comparison of New Yorkers and Nam Vets isn't altogether wrong. The "you had to be there" mentality when applied to most things is just a pompous affectation, but in the context of the WTC episode, it's quite appropriate.

I know a local news reporter (St.Louis) who got assigned to go up to New York and do a piece. When something like this happens, every city tries to hop on the coattails and work a local angle. St.Louis is notorious for that.

Anyway, this reporter went, saw and came home. I talked to him a couple days later and honestly, he looked different. He looked like he had aged 10 years. He wasn't smiling. His brow had furrowed. And mind you, he's in his late 20's.

He told me, "Ross, you know all the horrible pictures and videos you've seen? You know all the terrible stories you've heard? Forget them. You had to be there." His look valdiated that statement. He just walked away toward the studio.

I sit here and look at the pics and remember the adreneline rush I got when I watched the news. Then I try to imagine that feeling multiplied by 100. I can't. I guess I had to be there.
2002-08-12 03:53:29 PM  
This photograhper ran towards danger just to get some pictures.

And, respectfully... the firefighters ran into the building just to try to put out fires. And the police ran in to try to save some lives. The photographer was doing his job, the same as everyone else that day; the job he more than likely loved. I'm not saying his actions were as heroic as the firefighters' or cops. I mean, I never knew the man but I believe that he was doing what he believed was his duty: recording events on film so that we who remain have a record of what happened.

And if he was a profitmongering asshat as many of you believe? Well, he paid for it. Either way.
2002-08-12 03:54:12 PM  
I actually got chewed out for trying to follow the story that day.

Your boss is an asshole. My boss and I stood in someone's office for about an hour while the first tower collapsed. Anyone who expects something of that magnitude to have no effect on your productivity is a farking moron

Actually a scottsman, who fits the stereotype.

Wanna know what's more scary than that? He's the best boss I've ever had. Momma, don't let your kids grow up to be computer geeks because they'll be ready for the glue factory or the padded cell by age 40.
2002-08-12 03:59:18 PM  
Ahhh... glorious sleep and then awakening to find Harmonia's mess has been removed.


Anyway, Confabulat was talking about the CBS coverage of the collapse and I think during the first collapse I was watching NBC. Matt Lauer(sp) remarked something to the effect of "Did you see that? It just looked like a huge piece of the tower just broke off"
Now I'm by no means a journalist (Thank God) but even I... sitting at home on the bed after working a 12 hour graveyard... could tell the whole damn thing collapsed. It makes me wonder if they (reporters and on air personalities)even look at their monitors during things like this. Obviously, Matt and Dan were either reading from copy or needed their glasses.
As a sidebar, I noticed in the bookstore the other day that CBS has published a book detailing their coverage of that day and it includes a DVD of the whole day as it unfolded on CBS. I think it reatils at Books-A-Million for about $39.99.
2002-08-12 04:01:47 PM  

9/11, with the footage from Jules and Gidean Naudet. Jules Gaudet was the cameraman who caught the first plane going in.

The documentary made of their footage is amazing, and very tasteful. I watch it a lot -- to remember how good people can be. Also to see people functioning in a situation beyond what I could work in.
2002-08-12 04:05:09 PM  
"It just looked like a huge piece of the tower just broke off"
Now I'm by no means a journalist (Thank God) but even I... sitting at home on the bed after working a 12 hour graveyard... could tell the whole damn thing collapsed. It makes me wonder if they (reporters and on air personalities)even look at their monitors during things like this.

I think it's just plain denial. The only reliable news feed I could get was from the BBC World Service, and they were playing back a fragment of conversation between an on-scene reporter and ABC anchor Peter Jennings, and it went something like:

"Oh my god, the tower collapsed!"
"The front of the tower collapsed?"
"No, the whole thing collapsed."
"The building collapsed?"
"Completely. To the ground." nauseum. I know that I didn't believe it at first.
2002-08-12 04:09:36 PM  
thelander- saying i wans't an american was sarcasm.

'I'm not making a direct comparison, but lets say your mother died. If a distant relative came up to you at the funeral and said "I feel the same way you feel," wouldn't you be upset that your feelings are being equaled to those of a stranger?'

i see what you're saying. but i think it's a lot healthier to understand and accept that everyone at that funeral would be feeling grief. I wouldn't feel the need to illegitmize that person's feeling, and i would feel grateful that they had shared what they felt. i think we're just different in that you need to own 9/11 more. i think it's weird that many newyorkers feel the need to say 'you can't possibly know how it felt.' kinda sad they can't just add to the shared stories and accept that we all felt horrible that day.
2002-08-12 04:11:24 PM  
There has been a lot of talk in this thread about how people should and should not feel. Well.... everybody sees things the way the see them. I was close to it, I experienced it in MY way. Others who were close went through the same thing I did but were affected in a different way. Shortly after the attacks I spoke with friends all over the country. One thing I realised is that the level of anger vs shock and grief was in direct proportion to the distance the person was from NYC or the Pentagon or the fields of PA. Many I spoke to say they did a lot of crying. I did not shed one tear. I don't know why. I was close enough to it that I should have. I had images burned into my yes that took a long time to get rid of. Having said all that I think it is okay for anyone to feel what they feel about the attacks. Try to understand why it happend and then help to take action so this does not happen again. Anywhere!!!!
2002-08-12 04:20:28 PM  
Another thing that haunts me is a short video clip someone took of a crowd of people...people of all sorts, crying and screaming as they watched the first tower burn. A few seconds later the second tower gets hit, and just the looks on their faces, when they thought it couldnt get any worse, its just horrible. Its been almost a year and i feel like it was just yesterday, i dont think a day goes by where we forget.
2002-08-12 04:21:24 PM  
I think this is one of those things you'll tell your children or grandchildren about and they won't understand.. just the way your parents or grandparents told you about living through air raids and WWII or Korea.

I remember watching in stunned silence as the towers burned. I drove to work watching the smoke as I drove. By the time I got to work the first tower was about to fall.

I think stunned is the word that comes to mind. It was like looking at the world through a different lens.. and none of it was making much sense. People came into my store who had made it out of the buildings. Many never came in again. One photographer who lived next to the towers was on his roof with his camera as the second plane came in. He never got off a shot, he was so shocked he couldn't pick up his camera.

Another customer told me that when he got out of the building he ran as the tower was coming down. He and several others got underneath a truck to avoid the falling debris. He was the only one under the truck to survive.

I guess I thought I was handling the shock OK for a few days, but I think I was really avoiding thinking about things too deeply. Then, of all things, I saw Queen Elizabeth singing our national anthem and I lost it completely.

I can't type any more.
2002-08-12 04:24:15 PM  
thelelander, I agree totally. People everywhere were affected by it in some way, but will never truly understand it, the way New Yorkers do.
I had a scheduled vacation to Rhode Island the weekend after 9-11. It was good to get away from the city, and just relax, and try not to think that the world was ending, or that my next breath might be filled with poison gas or anthrax. I can tell you, the people there knew it was a big tragedy, but it just felt like it was a world away. The people didn't truly understand the magnitude of what had happened, and how terrifying it was. When we would tell people we were from NYC, and were there when it happened, people asked us questions, and showed concern, but they will never ever know what it felt like, and how different our city is without those towers standing there.
2002-08-12 04:25:25 PM  
On 9/11 I was sleeping in, at my apartment in Rosslyn which is around a mile from the Pentagon. I was in between jobs and was supposed to have a phone interview at 10AM with an employer so I had set my alarm for 9:45. Around 9:30 I was awakened by a low pitched boom outside. Almost immediatley afterwards I heard what sounded like every fire truck in the state tearing down Rt. 50. I have never heard so many sirens. My brother knocked on the door and said that he had heard an explosion and that now he was hearing dozens of fire trucks. He said the explosion was powerful enough that there was a shockwave that ruffled his clothes - the window was open. I still didn't realize what was going on and told him it was probably nothing.

My brother went in his room and turned on the TV, and then knocked on my door again to tell me the World Trade Center was on fire. I got up when he told me that. When I went in the livingroom and turned the TV on I saw a shot of the Pentagon burning, taken from the building across the street from us. I instantly realized what was going on - the country was under terrorist attack. To say I was scared s-less would be an understatement. I tried to call our mother but my hands were shaking so bad that I couldn't dial my phone. It didn't matter because all the lines were jammed anyway.

I grabbed my handheld police scanner and ran outside to a vantage point where we could see the Pentagon. The sight of the Pentagon engulfed in flames is burned into my memory forever. While we were watching this someone announced that one of the World Trade Centers had just collapsed. Soon after that I heard the Arlington County fire dispatcher say "FBI confirms two more airliners are missing, believed to be enroute to Washington DC." At that point we went back to our apartment and stayed inside. Of course, there was only one plane enroute to us, and it was Flight 93.

That evening I drove to my mother's house, 50 miles away. I got about five steps inside the door at Mom's house and just lost it - started crying like a child.

To this day loud noises like thunder and the sound of screaming sirens scare the hell out of me. I don't think I'll ever lose that fear.
2002-08-12 04:26:58 PM  
TheCharlie "Then, of all things, I saw Queen Elizabeth singing our national anthem and I lost it completely."

I got chills when I saw that. That was one of the things that really made me cry.
2002-08-12 04:29:29 PM  
Truly awesome pictures. It really makes me remember how utterly terrifying September 11th was. Sure, I wasn't in NYC, I was in the middle of a small town in Indiana. A small town that was almost adjacent to one of the largest stores of the chemical agent VX in the country.

Anyway, that morning at school, I was patrolling the hallways as usual, when I noticed a huge crowd literally spilling out of my science teacher's classroom. I peeked my head in the door to see a video of tower one with a huge hole in its side and smoke pouring out of it. I could only hear snippets of audio, one of which being, "accident." I shook my head, my parents were hobbyist pilots, and from years of flying with them, I knew it would be very difficult for this to be an accident. Sure enough, a minute later, my fears were confirmed. "We have reports coming in that the plane may have been hijacked." After that, as we all probably remember, the rumors started coming in left and right. This place has been hit, this place is on fire, this place has been bombed. We were scared out of our minds. Just when we thought it couldn't get any worse, an announcement came over the intercom. All teachers were to turn off their televisions. It was time for our annual standardized testing. Standardized farking testing. For the next three and a half hours, we were deprived of any and all information as to what was going on. We were just supposed to fill in the circles like good little boys and girls.

When the testing was finally over, everyone rushed to the closest TV they could find. The first words we heard were "Army Chemical Depot." Every single person in the room gasped in fear. I won't ever forget that sound. We thought the aforementioned VX store was being talked about on the national news. Thankfully, it was just a local news feed interviewing one of the heads of security there.

In the end, nothing did happen in my small town. However, the fear of possibility still remains fresh in my mind. Maybe it's my own way of connecting myself to the disaster.
2002-08-12 04:30:52 PM  
A close personal friend of mine lost her husband to a heart-attack a few years ago. He was 34 years old when he died. It was, to say the least, traumatic. I wanted to help her because basically we had grown up together. So I read a book about helping others through times of grief and it said quite clearly, "DO NOT try to identify with the person grieving." Even though you might have the exact same feelings or the exact same history, you are not the owner of his or her grief. It's true. I think I helped her more just by telling her I would help her any way I can and letting her deal with it her way.
The people of New York seem to be a tight community. They get a bad rap as being off-putting and disinterested in others... but in the days after 9/11 these people shared something that I in Tennessee and You in wherever you are could not possibly imagine. The had walked in the shadows of the twin towers on sunny days and stared at their distant lights at night. They watched their kids stare at them in awe and amazement the first time they ever saw them and felt that pang of amazement themselves from time to time. They, like their citizens, were New York.
Then it was over. The towers were gone. Entire Police, Fire and Emergency Crews were dessimated and 2,823 of their citizens were dead. I can't imagine being a New Yorker and not owning some piece of that day. If you feel offput by the reaction of some New Yorkers to 9/11, you gotta understand what was lost to these people and their children... as a city! Don't try to put yourself in their shoes. They are still grieving, they are still tired and they are still coping.
2002-08-12 04:38:42 PM  
nicely put mrdark- i don't try to put myself in their shoes. just an observation of human nature.
2002-08-12 04:41:40 PM  
i stay away from television...internet was pretty clogged that day. i did not see the towers being hit. i did not see the collaspe. i just knew it happened. i did not want to see it. i was not interested in feeling it.
as i was walking home (from work, we all left) with my friend we both felt sick. just sick.

the vast majority of my family, extended included, are located in new york and DC or somwhere in between. once i got word that everyone was accounted for i calmed down quite a bit.

later that night i was trying to convince my father, over the phone, that nuking the middle east was not the solution. he asked me if i saw what happened. "don't talk to me again until you see what they did. go to the bar down the street, have a beer and watch what they did. then we will talk."

so i did. i drank two beers as if they were water and the way i felt about what i saw is not for this thread.
2002-08-12 04:41:49 PM  
I hear you. A couple of weeks ago a storm came through downtown NY. None of had seen the weather forecast so we were not expecting to hear a thunder clap. The first one did not sound like thunder because it was just a big boom. Like a bomb, not the usual rolling thunder. I went to the window to see if something happened on the street. Before September 11th, 2001, that would never have happened.
we are still nervous around here but the further we are removed from the attack the less panicky we are.
On a side note to what Cowboy said above. I was out west(OR) a couple of weeks ago and we met some people from Iowa who were visiting relatives. When they heard I was from NY and that I was in the city that day, they sort of let out a little gasp of shock. As if they were hearing I lost a loved one. With the obligatory, 'I'm sorry to hear that.' Follwed by, 'What was it like?'
2002-08-12 04:43:18 PM  
does anyone else feel like its september 2001 again? after reading these, i totally got into a trance, i told myself i was going to read most the posts on here but im short on time. From the few ive read, ive gotten the chills over and over again, relive and rethink, your stories are amazing
2002-08-12 04:49:53 PM  
I completely agree that I cannot begin to fathom how the average New Yorker felt that day -- close friends who were there described what it was like, but the secondhand nature of their accounts can't compare to living in their skin.

However, you have to realize that as Americans, we were all deeply affected that day. In one way or another, in our own personal ways.

Two of the planes were headed to San Francisco, where I live. *Our* fellow Californians died on those planes. People we had gone to school with, worked with. I worked in the financial district at the time, and walked by the Transamerica building every day before and after 9/11. I think I hurried past most of the time.

I truly feel for the citizens of New York, but please keep in mind that DC, Pennsylvania, and other places were *directly* affected as well. Every month it seems the Golden Gate Bridge is under "heightened security alert". Every week, I jog by National Guardsmen toting M-16s at Fort Point at the foot of the bridge. America is a different place now, for all of us. Sadly, that unites us more than we'd hoped, I suppose.

Reading a lot of these posts has brought tears to my eyes more than once, as has looking at the pictures. Not sure if any of us know when that will fade.
2002-08-12 04:51:10 PM  
Sorry about the put yourself in their shoes comment. I started out talking to you and somehow felt like I was suddenly talking to a room full of people about something I feel very passionate about.

In short, I started rambling. Sorry.
2002-08-12 04:52:42 PM  

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2002-08-12 04:56:31 PM  
Knowing that im one of the younger farkers on here (18), I'd like to compare my 9/11 story to what was probably very similar to when you heard JFK was assassinated. I was sitting in my 3rd Period Journalism class when the principal of my high school got on the PA system and announced that there were terrorist attacks in NYC and that a plane had been flown into one of the world trade towers. At that given second, the whole school with all 3000 people in it, grew ghostly silent. No one had any clue what was going on (being in classrooms at all). I quicked hopped onto because i figured that would be the quickest way to see what was going on, i called my teacher over to show him stills of the towers, and the class soon followed him. There we were 30 students starring at the most powerful image we'd ever see in our lives. We didnt have Vietnam, president assassinations, air raids, etc. It was the most chilling thing to have 30 teenagers who had felt invisible untill this point... looking over my shoulder at the images. The bell rang shortly after and everyone filled the halls which were the most silent i had ever heard them. Tears and hugs were everywhere, and the sound that will never leave my head... of the CNN broadcasters voice pouring out the doorway of every classroom you walked by. I can still hear it to this day. We werent sent home, but all remaining classes were optional, and they had live broadcasts in our cafeterias and auditoriums untill our normal release time. This story isnt as "breath taking" as most the others, but one thing we all have in common is the initial sight of the trade towers, the sounds, sights, emotions etc. Residents of NYC were talking about how the way the air felt that morning, how the sun looked, and the blue sky. Believe it or not, i remember that exactly what youre talking about, even living 5 hours from NYC.
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