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(ESPN)   Since '56, every NL pitcher who led in strikeouts and wins won the Cy Young award. Until last year, the Siberian Flamethrower missed by one vote. One vote shy of even getting a vote   (sports.espn.go.com) divider line
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2007-03-06 9:34:57 AM  
"It's just his style of pitching," Arroyo said. "He's a guy who could punch out eight or 10 dudes in a game, and you're like, 'Hmmm, that was a nice outing.' ... But Dontrelle Willis punches out 10, and you're like, 'Holy [cow],' because there's so much stuff going on and the way he looks and he's pumping his first and everything. Aaron just does his thing and walks off the mound."

I doubt he said "[cow]". (NSFW language, hilarity)
 
2007-03-06 9:45:03 AM  
stebain: I doubt he said "[cow]".

That was awesome.
 
2007-03-06 9:48:46 AM  
rotchCayeardBay
ouyay rayay ewedscray.
 
2007-03-06 9:51:38 AM  
Jinkies...

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2007-03-06 9:52:08 AM  
A little too much drama in that headline subby

Harang did gets votes, 3 in fact, just no 1st place votes.

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My vote for NL CY Young would have been John Smoltz, same number of wins (16), lower ERA (3.49 to Harang's 3.76), and only 5 fewer K's (211 to Harang's 216).

/credit for the table has to go to talkingchop.com
//I am far too lazy to make something like that

What tips the scales for me is when you look at how utterly horrible the Braves bullpen was last season. So bad in fact, and you can look this up, that the bullpen blew at least 6 potential wins for Smoltz after he had left the games.
 
2007-03-06 9:53:35 AM  
The fact he got NO votes is amazing though.

You lead in Strikeouts and wins, you should get a few votes for crying out loud.

He wasn't top 10 in ERA though, but he was 11th, and pretty close. Also record was 16-11, so, a good number of losses as well. But, still kinda crazy tho.
 
2007-03-06 10:00:41 AM  
A little too much drama in that headline subby

Harang did gets votes, 3 in fact, just no 1st place votes.


FTA:
How close did he come to winning last year's Cy Young? Well, let's put it this way: He missed by one vote ...
Of even getting a vote.
Any kind of vote. Second place. Third place. Melrose Place. You name the place.


I'm not entirely to blame.
/smitty
 
2007-03-06 10:18:38 AM  
noimnotlost

those votes are for the SportsBlog Nation voting.

in actual Cy Young voting, he didn't get a single vote.

Rk Name Team Place Points
1 Brandon Webb ARI 15 103
2 Trevor Hoffman SDP 12 77
3 Chris Carpenter STL 2 63
4 Roy Oswalt HOU 3 31
5 Carlos Zambrano CHC 0 6
6 Billy Wagner NYM 0 4
7 John Smoltz ATL 0 3
8 Takashi Saito LAD 0 1
 
2007-03-06 10:27:56 AM  
noimnotlost
Well, DeanMoriarty just beat me to the punch. I was trying to find official voting, not just ESPN.
Anyway:
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In your face!



/I keed
 
2007-03-06 10:35:53 AM  
here's a question, why is this article out now?
 
2007-03-06 10:37:09 AM  
here's a question, why is this article out now?

Spring training?
 
2007-03-06 10:38:12 AM  
here's a question, why is this article out now?

Fantasy Drafts?
 
2007-03-06 10:38:30 AM  
So the NL Central has the batting champion, the pitcher with the most wins/strike-outs, AND the World Series Champion?

NL Central FTW!
 
2007-03-06 10:44:32 AM  
That serves me for trying to fark and work at the same time,

oh well.

/next time I'll be sure to stop working first ;)
 
2007-03-06 11:19:33 AM  
Also consider:

Freddy Sanchez met the requirements (less than 130 career ABs, hope this is still right) for ROY in 2005 (won by a VERY deserving Ryan Howard). Freddy received no votes.

His 2005 stats: .291, 54 R 132 H, 26 2B, 35 RBI. Not spectacular, but consider some of the guys who did receive votes:

2nd: Willy Taveras: .291, 82 R, 172 H, 13 2B, 29 RBI, 34 SB
3rd: Jeff Francoeur: .300 77 H, 20 2B, 45 RBI, 14 HR
4th: Garret Atkins: 62 R, 149 H, 31 2B, 89 RBI

I'm not saying he deserves it any more than any of those guys, but he compares rather favorably, I think.
 
2007-03-06 12:29:32 PM  
Maybe it's because the voters are slowly realizing that wins don't mean shiat.
 
2007-03-06 1:02:44 PM  
Well, he was in a six-way tie for the most wins, and there were three other guys within six strikeouts of him. I wouldn't call it asinine.
 
2007-03-06 1:16:51 PM  
But that's only the beginning of Harang's dazzling journey toward invisibility. He also managed to avoid winning the Pitcher of the Year award -- on his own team. (Bronson Arroyo won that election.
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That just sucks.

The Cy Young voters need to suck it.

Sure, 16 wins is pathetic but it LED THE LEAGUE. Deserves something. Especially if you also have the most strikeouts.
 
2007-03-06 1:17:09 PM  
Well, he was in a six-way tie for the most wins, and there were three other guys within six strikeouts of him. I wouldn't call it asinine.
I don't think anyone is contending he should be the reigning CY holder. To get zero votes is odd, at least.
 
2007-03-06 1:36:59 PM  
I love how it's our fault that we don't know about these guys.
 
2007-03-06 1:54:44 PM  
Anyone who seriously believes Harang should have been considered a real candidate for the Cy Young Award spends too much time looking at his win total and not enough time looking at his stat line. The league hit .269 against him. He had a WHIP of 1.27. Eleven losses to go with his 16 wins. How stellar. He did have 216 strikeouts but that was still less than one an inning...Solid starter he is. Cy Young award candidate last season he was not, nor should he have been.

I personally feel Smoltz kind of got shafted last year, but oh well. He has his already. Doubtful that he will make another strong run, but one never knows. If not for his bullpen last year, he wins the Cy Young easily.
 
2007-03-06 2:36:47 PM  
srhp29

Anyone who seriously believes Harang should have been considered a real candidate for the Cy Young Award spends too much time looking at his win total and not enough time looking at his stat line. The league hit .269 against him. He had a WHIP of 1.27. Eleven losses to go with his 16 wins. How stellar. He did have 216 strikeouts but that was still less than one an inning...Solid starter he is. Cy Young award candidate last season he was not, nor should he have been.

I personally feel Smoltz kind of got shafted last year, but oh well. He has his already. Doubtful that he will make another strong run, but one never knows. If not for his bullpen last year, he wins the Cy Young easily.


You said exactly what I was going to say. He is solid, no doubt, but he was not Cy Young caliber. Just having wins and strikeouts is not enough. Sixteen wins is a lot, but others had as many, while he had 11 losses. Webb had only 8 losses and .66 lower ERA.
 
2007-03-06 3:01:39 PM  
homarjr [TotalFark]

here's a question, why is this article out now?

ESPN just figured it out (K's and W's trivia)?
 
2007-03-06 3:34:17 PM  
I notice that Steve Trachsel, also a 16 game winner, got zero votes. Could have something to do with his 5+ e.r.a.
So, I wouldn't say that Harang "lead the league", he shared the league with a bunch of dudes. His win % was not that good though.
 
2007-03-06 6:30:44 PM  
I don't think anyone is contending he should be the reigning CY holder. To get zero votes is odd, at least.

But he got three third-place votes. If you mean that it's odd that he didn't get any first_place votes, you believe someone should contend he should be the reigning CY holder.
 
2007-03-06 8:15:55 PM  
as DeanMoriarty already pointed out, the first table posted wasn't the ACTUAL vote. Read his post; Harang received NO votes.
 
2007-03-06 9:23:13 PM  
shrp29 I personally feel Smoltz kind of got shafted last year

He did get shafted. I don't think him having one already makes it OK, either. I don't understand at all how he finished 7th in the voting. If Webb's going to win, fine, but Smoltz should at least finish second.

I sort of think that people expect the Braves to do better and the D'Backs to do worse, and so adjust their scale accordingly (look, Webb wonubianmes with a terrible team! look, Smoltz won only 16 on an underachieving team!). But they finished the same. The Braves were really about as good as the D'Backs last year.

It's totally absurd. I think they just want their new great young pitcher.
 
2007-03-06 9:44:40 PM  
while sanchez does play for the godawful pirates, it's odd that harang got 0 votes, considering most writers had picked the Reds to finish in last or 5th in the NL Central (right around Pittsburgh), but managed to come only 3.5 games from winning the division.
 
2007-03-07 1:55:58 AM  
jake3988: Especially if you also have the most strikeouts

His strikeout total was pretty pathetic too, even if it led the league. Christ, Oliver Perez struck out 239 in 196 IP in 2004. Harang got 216 in 234 1/3.
 
2007-03-07 2:33:49 AM  
"His strikeout total was pretty pathetic too, even if it led the league."

Honestly, there was really anything impressive going on for the entire year in baseball. Santana was good. Liriano was good for a while...but really, no one was 'must watch'.

I think it says enough about the season that the 83-78 Cardinals won the World Series, with Eckstein being the MVP.

/and Jeff Weaver and Kenny Rogers (well...) being the best pitchers in the postseason.
 
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