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(Wall Street Journal) Hero Bush administration about to lift a stupid law requiring all shipments from Mexico to be reloaded onto American trucks less than 25 miles from the border. The unions, of course, Are. Not. Amused   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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2007-02-27 2:26:34 PM  
That law was put into effect because there is almost no oversight of Mexican trucking. After inspections found trucks were dangerous they were restricted from entering the US. Some were found to have only two working brakes on the entire vehicle.
 
2007-02-27 2:26:38 PM  
Looks like submitter isn't familiar with Mexican truck drivers.
 
2007-02-27 2:27:15 PM  
*shakes fist at Blind_lo*
 
2007-02-27 2:29:02 PM  
What they said.
 
2007-02-27 2:32:09 PM  
American driverstargets are also not amused, shrubmitter
 
2007-02-27 2:34:20 PM  
Neither will American drivers be, when the the first Mexican 18-wheeler disintegrates on the highway and spills a fiery death of jumping beans, tequila, and illegal aliens across the asphalt.
 
2007-02-27 2:35:16 PM  
Blind_Io: Some were found to have only two working brakes on the entire vehicle.

That's at least one more brake than there are trained drivers on the vehicle, what's the problem ?
 
2007-02-27 2:35:35 PM  
Another case of the administration catering to businesses.

The Mexican trucking industry doesn't have the same standards for drivers, truck inspection, and hours driven that ours does.

All out interstates need is a bunch of underskilled, overworked drivers aiming 70,000 pounds at your econbox.
 
2007-02-27 2:38:52 PM  
This is more than a bit scary... and frankly, also shifts attention away from another issue which is that teh cargo of these trucks comes across the US border without being inspected 95% of the time. At least when US trucking companies are taking on the loads they were also taking on the risk of what they were carrying which probably had some positive effect on keeping things out of the US.

Now its going to get interesting.
 
2007-02-27 2:40:05 PM  
Eat More Possum: The Mexican trucking industry doesn't have the same standards for drivers, truck inspection, and hours driven that ours does.

Uh--I don't Mexicans are dumber than anyone else--certainly not dumb enough to send unreliable trucks out on the road when they need to deliver product on time.

As the article says, they have every incentive to ship in safe, reliable trucks.

This is catering to businesses; it's refusing to cater to union protectionism.
 
2007-02-27 2:40:40 PM  
Bu-bu-bu-BUT THE FREE MARKET!

Clearly, if the public doesn't want broken-down trucks driven by zombified drivers on the road, they'll not buy the products which were being shipped to end points they don't know.

Clearly.

PS - Rightwingers - this should also make it easier to smuggle illegal aliens and drugs in. Hooray! It's lose-lose to everyone except the mega-corporations.
 
2007-02-27 2:42:12 PM  
I've driven in El Paso.
I've driven along I-25 between Las Cruces and Albuquerque.
I've driven I-10 east and west from Phoenix.

Mexican drivers are scary. Mexican drivers are generally uninsured. Mexican drivers are plentiful enough.

That law is there for a really good reason - it protects the lives and propery of Americans.

...though the only Americans who count don't drive, they fly. So fark 'em all. Open the borders.
 
2007-02-27 2:45:41 PM  
Blind_Io: After inspections found trucks were dangerous they were restricted from entering the US. Some were found to have only two working brakes on the entire vehicle.

Unless the writer is lying, the percentages of issues between American and Mexican trucks is almost identical--23 percent and 21 percent.

If we're going to fret about unsafe Mexican trucks, we need to fret just as much about American trucks. More in fact--we're just talking percentages rather than raw numbers here, so I daresay there are far MORE unsafe American trucks on the road.
 
2007-02-27 2:46:39 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: I don't Mexicans are dumber than anyone else- Neither do I.

My understanding - which may be wrong as I have not personally inspected any of the Mexican truck fleet - is that they have a very high number of old, tired, unmaintained trucks running the roads. The NY Times found over half were running bald tires, many without adequate brakes, and non-working lights.

That alone is enough to make me think this might not be the best idea.
 
2007-02-27 2:48:22 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Neither will American drivers be, when the the first Mexican 18-wheeler disintegrates on the highway and spills a fiery death of jumping beans, tequila, and illegal aliens lazy, greasy wetbacks across the asphalt.

Fixed that for ya.

Yeesh--this is most racist, condescending thread I've ever seen here. "Dem Mexicans is all stupid, untrained, on drugs and don't know how to drive, much less maintain a truck!"
 
2007-02-27 2:49:28 PM  
Eat More Possum: The NY Times found shopped around till they found a study claiming over half were running bald tires, many without adequate brakes, and non-working lights.

Fixed that for ya.
 
2007-02-27 2:51:05 PM  
Eat More Possum: All out interstates need is a bunch of underskilled, overworked drivers aiming 70,000 pounds at your econbox.

Let's be fair, if anyone is driving an econobox it's that damned algore's fault.
 
2007-02-27 2:53:03 PM  
Eat More Possum: All out interstates need is a bunch of underskilled, overworked drivers aiming 70,000 pounds at your econbox.

How exactly would this differ from the current situation?
 
2007-02-27 2:54:00 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin

Unless the writer is lying, the percentages of issues between American and Mexican trucks is almost identical--23 percent and 21 percent.

Uh... Mexico has far less strict safety standards than we do.
 
2007-02-27 2:55:23 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Fixed that for ya.

That may be the case.
 
2007-02-27 4:16:22 PM  
In other news, the price of weed just went down.
 
2007-02-27 4:17:17 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Yeesh--this is most racist, condescending thread I've ever seen here.

Not likely. Your own ranting and condescension have already cost you any argument you might have had. Maybe you should take a nap.
 
2007-02-27 5:00:17 PM  
Yeesh--this is most racist, condescending thread I've ever seen here. "Dem Mexicans is all stupid, untrained, on drugs and don't know how to drive, much less maintain a truck!"

Make mexican trucks pass US inspection standards. No problem then, right?

Good luck on that btw. lemme know how it works out for ya.
 
2007-02-27 5:11:17 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Neither will American drivers be, when the the first Mexican 18-wheeler disintegrates on the highway and spills a fiery death of jumping beans, tequila, and illegal aliens across the asphalt.

OMG! NO!!!

The tequila! Won't somebody please think of the tequila?
 
2007-02-27 5:14:32 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Unless [this] writer is lying, the percentages of issues...

MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: The NY Times shopped around till they found a study

Sure is convenient, the difference between the writers you trust and the writers you don't.
 
2007-02-27 5:16:37 PM  
Blind_Io: That law was put into effect because there is almost no oversight of Mexican trucking. After inspections found trucks were dangerous they were restricted from entering the US. Some were found to have only two working brakes on the entire vehicle.

Bravo! The Boobies even. The safety standards of Mexican truck companies are much lower than ours.

unlikely: That law is there for a really good reason - it protects the lives and propery of Americans.

Weaver95: Make mexican trucks pass US inspection standards. No problem then, right?

Not to mention it protects our ports. Now that Mexican trucks can deliver anywhere in the US, many companies will likely choose to offload in Mexico where duties are much lower, costs are much lower, and inspections are virtually non-existent. It's much cheaper to offload in Mexico and truck the goods all the way to their destination than it is to use a US port. Bye-bye US ports and US jobs.

Having working ports in this country is a national security concern.
 
2007-02-27 5:26:00 PM  
Having working ports in this country is a national security concern.

Nah, haven't you heard? national security concerns are for sale to the highest bidder now.

And worrying about the safety inspections on mexican trucks using US roads is racist. You don't want to be racist, right?
 
2007-02-27 5:28:15 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin

Uh--I don't Mexicans are dumber than anyone else--certainly not dumb enough to send unreliable trucks out on the road when they need to deliver product on time.

It's not that they are dumber, it is that they cut corners to save costs. It is a fact that Mexican trucks are held to much lower standards. It is a fact that they are not as well maintained or inspected.

If you can get another month or two out of those tires that should be replaced, that is a significant savings. Tires are expencive. However, you then run the risk of having a blowout on the highway.

The turn signal doesn't work and the mirror on the right side is broken. They can still get buy without those. It just is not safe to do so.

As was said before, have them held to the same standards as US trucks and drivers. If they don't pass, they don't drive on US roads.
 
2007-02-27 5:32:44 PM  
Crosshair: As was said before, have them held to the same standards as US trucks and drivers. If they don't pass, they don't drive on US roads.

No arguments from me there. And I bet the Mexican companies involved will be delighted to comply.
 
2007-02-27 5:33:02 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin
Yeesh--this is most racist, condescending thread I've ever seen here.

It has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the lax safety oversights for trucks and drivers from Mexico. Do you seriously want somebody who has been up and driving for almost 48 hours in a 30 ton vehicle on the same roads that you are?
 
2007-02-27 5:33:39 PM  
Scooby's'pawn: Bravo! The Boobies even.

One of the most beautiful, succinct statements I've ever seen here.
 
2007-02-27 5:34:34 PM  
Code_Archeologist: Do you seriously want somebody who has been up and driving for almost 48 hours in a 30 ton vehicle on the same roads that you are?

Do YOU seriously think that's not already precisely what's out on the road all across the US right now?
 
2007-02-27 5:36:07 PM  
HumbleGod: Sure is convenient, the difference between the writers you trust and the writers you don't.

Heh. The name Jayson Blair ring a bell? How about Paul Krugman?
 
2007-02-27 5:39:03 PM  
Weaver95: Make mexican trucks pass US inspection standards. No problem then, right?

I seem to recall the article under dispute saying 77 percent of Mexico's trucks DID pass US inspection, while 79 percent of the US's did.

Are we saying, by the way, that

A. No inspections are conducted or required for them to cross the border and drive 25 miles in country?

B. You'd be fine with unsafe trucks all over the place as long as they were within 25 miles of the border?
 
2007-02-27 5:40:55 PM  
Listen, I pretty much despise Wubbya, but I think this is a good change. If Mexican trucks don't meet safety standards, don't let them in. But don't just ban all Mexican trucks ex ante.

The solution? Inspect the Mexican trucks and make them follow our rules. If they don't meet standards, don't let them in; if they do meet standards, then the problem has been solved.
 
2007-02-27 5:41:35 PM  
further: MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Yeesh--this is most racist, condescending thread I've ever seen here.

Not likely. Your own ranting and condescension


Hmm. I'm looking for the places where I said we should assume any given Mexican trucker:

a. Is driving an unsafe truck,
b. Is an incompetent driver,
c. Is uninsured,
d. Is sleep-deprived, under the influence or both, or
e. Is carrying illegals.

Can you help me find where I said those things? I'd love to apologize.
 
2007-02-27 5:42:49 PM  
inTheJungle: If Mexican trucks don't meet safety standards, don't let them in. But don't just ban all Mexican trucks ex ante.

Bingo. The truckers' union is conveniently ignoring that very reality. The safety issue is just an excuse; bottom line for them is they're losing their protectionist racket here.
 
2007-02-27 5:46:46 PM  
WizardX: Uh... Mexico has far less strict safety standards than we do.

RTFA. It says Mexican drivers have better legal records than US drivers and that Mexican trucks appear to have roughly the same percentage of safety issues American ones do.

But I agree: Ask the trucks to pass US safety inspections. If the Teamsters keep protesting after that, they obviously aren't all that concerned about safety--especially not when 21 percent of American trucks failed inspection.
 
2007-02-27 5:47:35 PM  
(Sorry about the blizzard of replies; had to go to a meeting and am leaving for another soon, but this is an interesting thread and I wanted to catch up.)
 
2007-02-27 5:47:51 PM  
The safety issue is just an excuse; bottom line for them is they're losing their protectionist racket here.

Except that, by your own admission, that's not the case:

"I seem to recall the article under dispute saying 77 percent of Mexico's trucks DID pass US inspection, while 79 percent of the US's did."

You yourself state that mexican trucks are manifestly unsafe - more so than US trucks on the road.

Now, in a perfect world, we'd want every unsafe truck off the road until they're up to code. But if we can't even ensure that US trucking companies are obeying the law (and they're the guys we can easily track) how the hell are we supposed to keep track of the guys south of the border?

The best, easiest answer to the situation is to keep the more demonstrably unsafe trucks off the roads. And as you've already stated, that's the mexican trucks.
 
2007-02-27 5:48:18 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin
Yeesh--this is most racist, condescending thread I've ever seen here.

Actually, this is pretty tame compared to the other two on the main page earlier today.
 
2007-02-27 5:50:22 PM  
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Actually, this is pretty tame compared to the other two on the main page earlier today.

Which ones?
 
2007-02-27 5:51:00 PM  
Weaver95
The best, easiest answer to the situation is to keep the more demonstrably unsafe trucks off the roads.

Why not keep the unsafe American trucks off the road, and let the safe Mexican trucks on the road?

What you're suggesting is that we knowingly continue to allow 21 percent of trucks on the road to be unsafe.

I suggest the opposite. The best solution is to only allow safe ones on the road, regardless of where they are from.

For a free-marketeer, you're awfully willing to use artificial policies to perpetuate barriers to entry.
 
2007-02-27 5:53:16 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin
Do YOU seriously think that's not already precisely what's out on the road all across the US right now?

I know that happens sometimes, in the US, by drivers or trucking companies forging driver logs. But, there are rules and agencies to enforce those rules in the US to make truckers as safe as possible. I would say that for Mexican trucking companies to be able to move into the US they must do the following.

All trucks must pass a safety inspection before crossing the border, and the driver has to make a four hour lay over or have a fresh driver to take over once he crosses the border.
 
2007-02-27 5:54:36 PM  
Weaver95: The best, easiest answer to the situation is to keep the more demonstrably unsafe trucks off the roads. And as you've already stated, that's the mexican trucks.

I suspect that in raw numbers, not percentages, you're wrong, and I already said why: I'd be willing to bet 21 percent of American trucks is more trucks than 23 percent of Mexican trucks.

Leave aside whether a 2 percent difference is worth denying access to ALL Mexican trucks (hey, nobody cared how unsafe they were before the proposed change, when they were still coming 25 miles in country!).

If there are more American trucks overall than Mexican trucks, then with the percentages so close it means there are more UNSAFE American trucks as well.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2007-02-27 5:55:50 PM  
Is this the issue that went to the Supreme Court a year or two ago after the DOT failed to file an environmental impact statement for the rule?
 
2007-02-27 5:56:00 PM  
Code_Archeologist: But, there are rules and agencies to enforce those rules in the US to make truckers as safe as possible.

So inspect the trucks. It's not like the Highway Patrol can't already pull over a Mexican trucker if necessary.
 
2007-02-27 5:56:39 PM  
Code_Archaeologist
All trucks must pass a safety inspection before crossing the border, and the driver has to make a four hour lay over or have a fresh driver to take over once he crosses the border.

Sounds reasonable to me. The big government, protectionist "conservatives" here want otherwise.
 
2007-02-27 6:03:53 PM  
inTheJungle: Code_Archaeologist
All trucks must pass a safety inspection before crossing the border, and the driver has to make a four hour lay over or have a fresh driver to take over once he crosses the border.

Sounds reasonable to me.


Meh. What if the trucker's origin point is only 10 miles inside of Mexico? Lotta big factories in Juarez, for instance. You want a guy to drive 25 miles, then take a four-hour nap or switch drivers?
 
2007-02-27 6:06:19 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin
What if the trucker's origin point is only 10 miles inside of Mexico?

It does seem silly, but I think it's a fair compromise. The fact that the factory is only 10 miles inside the border does not mean that the driver has only driven for 10 miles that day.
 
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