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(Wall Street Journal)   New Math: If you ask Hillary about her husband's sex scandal, that's "dredging up old history." If you write a story about Mitt Romney's great-grandfather being a polygamist, that's "news"   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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Nabb1
2007-02-26 5:14:08 PM  
First of all, the former is more about Bill than Hillary, so I guess it really is pretty asinine to bring that up (though most women would have kicked him to the curb, but it's pretty clear she kept him out of convenience), but even giving more than passing mention to the latter is completely ridiculous.
 
Robert1966
2007-02-26 5:17:54 PM  
TFA and submitter bring up Hillary Clinton all on their own. She's not the one reporting Romney's polygamist ancestors. The article is ostensibly about bias in reporting, but it not-so-subtly drags Senator Clinton into it (because of the way the press treats her with 'kid gloves') and rehashes the Lewinsky scandal.

Well, subby, and Wall Street Journal: we all know about the Lewinsky scandal, and we are just now hearing about Romney's ancestors. Although it really IS a non-issue, it really IS news to us. THAT is why it is newsworthy, and the scandal none of us could get away from for two years isn't.
 
heap
2007-02-26 5:52:24 PM  
just when i think 'opinion journal' articles can't get any more retarded....they always manage to come through.
 
floor9
2007-02-26 5:53:16 PM  
If the Republicans want to insist on "dredging up old history", let's talk about our president's cocaine addiction.
 
flaEsq
2007-02-26 6:00:23 PM  
Are these repeated greenlights for this Tarantula schmuck's awful rants a result of someone with the fark keys actually enjoying his spew or is it because Tarantula's a moron? I can never tell.
 
VictoryCabal
2007-02-26 6:04:18 PM  
I don't care about either story.

But Robert1966 is on to something. For some reason, both the media and Republican pundits simply can not stop thinking about Bill Clinton's penis. They obsess over it. His penis fills their thoughts and haunts their dreams. They can't stop themselves from talking about it, writing about it, worrying about it. Their politics revolve around it.
 
stebain
2007-02-26 6:05:03 PM  
Let's compare:

APPLE: "Asking a person about something they aren't comfortable talking about"

ORANGE : "Researching and reporting on a person's heritage"

They are different, yano.

If they were to ask him and he said he'd rather not talk about it, that would be an apple.

If you were to report on Billary cheating, that would be an orange.

Btw, the Bill cheating has been through the ringer in the media, so it's disingenuous for the article to say:

The press, as usual, is respectful of taboos when they issue from the political left. Here's an example from this week's Newsweek:
and act as if it is equal to something new about Romney.


Btw, I think reporting on Romney's grandfather's marriages it lame as fark. I just also think these aren't valid comparisons.
 
priestrape
2007-02-26 6:13:40 PM  
I recommend you don't vote for either of this douchebags. That way we can put this whole sordid affair behind us.
 
priestrape
2007-02-26 6:14:15 PM  
*these
 
Locke3k
2007-02-26 6:19:29 PM  
In all likelihood, Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton both have about as good a chance as Steve-O from Jackass at being the next president, so who cares?

It's like picking on Chris Dodd or Dennis Gardengnome Kucinich. What's the point?
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-02-26 6:37:27 PM  
VictoryCabal: For some reason, both the media and Republican pundits simply can not stop thinking about Bill Clinton's penis. They obsess over it. His penis fills their thoughts and haunts their dreams. They can't stop themselves from talking about it, writing about it, worrying about it. Their politics revolve around it.

Sounds something like Bill's own approach to his penis.
 
Abagadro
2007-02-26 6:48:56 PM  
heap: just when i think 'opinion journal' articles can't get any more retarded....they always manage to come through.


It's like the Journal has an affirmative action program for the mentally challenged and sticks them all on the editorial board.
 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum
2007-02-26 7:26:04 PM  
Oh, so what? Is that all they've got? Good God, hire the Swift Boaters. Next think you know someone will find out she picks her nose.

.
 
Weaver95
2007-02-26 7:29:54 PM  
If hillary wins the democratic nod for a presidential run, I think her offical song should be 'stand by your man'.
 
Flab [TotalFark]
2007-02-26 7:30:19 PM  
Shouldn't the voters chose their president on his or her ability to run the country, instead of based on the antics of his or her family?
 
Weaver95
2007-02-26 7:31:12 PM  
Shouldn't the voters chose their president on his or her ability to run the country, instead of based on the antics of his or her family?

that'd end Hillary's political career in a heartbeat tho.
 
Flab [TotalFark]
2007-02-26 7:41:08 PM  
Weaver95: that'd end Hillary's political career in a heartbeat tho.

You make it sound like it's a bad thing.
 
TheOther
2007-02-26 7:41:46 PM  
Weaver95: Shouldn't the voters chose their president on his or her ability to run the country, instead of based on the antics of his or her family?

that'd end Hillary's political career in a heartbeat tho.

Didn't stop W.
 
Seth_The_Wide
2007-02-26 7:45:10 PM  
It's just another article about liberal media bias.

Besides, Hillary will never make it to the White House. I hope she at least gets the DNC nomination before she imploads like Howard Dean. You all know it's going to happen.
 
Skleenar
2007-02-26 8:19:32 PM  
Romney's great-grandfather was a polygamist!!

That's the biggest news EVAR!!

I'm going to create a liberal blog devoted purely to ROMNEY'S POLYGAMIST ANCESTORS!!!

OH MY GOD!!!

Where's ABC, NBC, MSNBC, Rather and Olbermann on this issue!!

I demand more information on this!! IT is a very VALID ISSUE!!!
/on second thought, nah.
 
Weaver95
2007-02-26 8:21:17 PM  
Didn't stop W.

Bush, for all his many faults, at least had some tangible contributions to this country. Like it or not, he DID serve in the military.

Hillary tho...she's just got 'biatch queen' stamped on her forhead. People see her and they think 'where's the poisoned apple?'. People see Bush and they think 'dude, where's the kegger at tonight?'.
 
EzraS
2007-02-26 8:24:50 PM  
Weaver95

I dont know about you, but I don't need my politicians to be 'nice' people. Nice people don't get things done in politics. I'd take the biatch over the friendly bozo, if that was truly the choice.
 
whiteykillswhitey
2007-02-26 8:29:53 PM  
haven't we all had more than enough of the clinton's personal lives in our faces?
 
heap
2007-02-26 8:30:29 PM  
Weaver95: Like it or not, he DID serve in the military.

'chumming the waters'.
 
KrispyKringle
2007-02-26 8:46:30 PM  
Weaver95:

Hillary tho...she's just got 'biatch queen' stamped on her forhead. People see her and they think 'where's the poisoned apple?'. People see Bush and they think 'dude, where's the kegger at tonight?'.

I couldn't agree more. This is precisely what's wrong with democracy, though.
 
EzraS
2007-02-26 8:52:12 PM  
KrispyKringle

That's not whats wrong with democracy, thats whats wrong with human beings in general. We're stupid. We're selfish. We're vain. No system of government will ever be able to function better than the people who constructed and use it. It's not fair to make a general fault of humanity a criticism of democracy.
 
EnoMan
2007-02-26 8:54:36 PM  
Last December, a Newsweek reporter tentatively broached a delicate subject with a longstanding adviser to [New York's junior senator]: was there a concern in the . . . camp that her husband might somehow embarrass her in the campaign ahead? The reaction was swift and fierce. "If that's what you want to talk about, I'm hanging up right now," said the adviser, who did not wish to be identified even entertaining such a question.
Wait. The premise of the article is that the press doesn't mention that out of courtesy, and the disproof is right in TFA. How falking stupid is this "journalist"?
 
KrispyKringle
2007-02-26 8:55:36 PM  
EzraS:

I'm not saying I know a better system. But the presumption that a system of, by, and for the people is more effective is faulty.

The presumption that that government is more restrained--or, dare I say, more crippled, less efficient, and so forth--and that that is a desirable property might be a good one (at least, in some cases).

This is, I think, a valid argument for parlaimentary systems. Yes, they're less efficient, but by giving minorities a voice in government--sometimes even an outsized voice--you generally hinder the ability of large groups of organized people to do very bad things.

Of course, the question remains over whether in times of crisis--for instance, war, or environmental crises--the people will sufficiently organize to deal with those crises. But one of the scariest things about groups of organized people is the bad shiat they're capable of.

But you're right that this isn't a property of democracy itself.
 
milk_plus
2007-02-26 8:56:16 PM  
The 24/7 coverage of the Monica scandal on every major news outlet for months doesn't really compare with this minor report of a small historical oddity. I really don't care about either.
 
SilentStrider
2007-02-26 8:59:35 PM  
Old and current reaction: Who the fark cares about either one?

Weaver95: Bush, for all his many faults, at least had some tangible contributions to this country. Like it or not, he DID serve in the military.


Yeah, but his performance as Texas Governor should have made a lot of people leery of him. I know it would have of me if I'd known about it then.
 
Weaver95
2007-02-26 9:03:47 PM  
I'd take the biatch over the friendly bozo, if that was truly the choice.

except that Hillary has a very clear track record of shady deals and abusing authority for personal gain. She's like Nixon only without the good stuff.

This country doesn't need Hillary. It dosen't need an algore. It sure can't use another Bush. What this country NEEDS is someone who will lower taxes, find a solution to our Iraq mess, end the war on terror, the war on drugs and restore our rights to us.

Find me someone like that and I'll vote for them.
 
EzraS
2007-02-26 9:07:21 PM  
Weaver95

Ditto.

That is, if I lived in your country.
 
KrispyKringle
2007-02-26 9:08:02 PM  
Weaver95:

Lowering taxes isn't really my highest priority, I'd say. Lowering the deficit? Maybe that's a bit more important. Dealing with the Iraq mess, the war on terror, and the our slight, ah, diplomatic issues abroad? Even better.

And war on drugs--do you mean he should "win" it? Or end it?
 
EzraS
2007-02-26 9:15:42 PM  
Corvus

Presumably in Weaver's plan cutting things like the war on terror and the war on drugs would help afford the tax cuts...
 
KrispyKringle
2007-02-26 9:16:22 PM  
Corvus:

I don't want to speak for Weaver95, but he might well subscribe to the trickle down philosophy. A lot of people (I'm not saying a lot of experts, because to my knowledge that statement would be false) believe that tax cuts boost the economy. Of course, you still have to collect some tax revenue to pay back the deficit, and, more importantly, the notion that cutting taxes will sufficiently boost the economy is highly debatable, but that might well be what Weaver95 thinks, and it doesn't really make him an idiot, though it may well make him wrong.

In other words, I doubt his priorities are not paying back the deficit. He's not a moron, I don't think. But I do agree with you that this would probably be a poor way of pursuing that goal.
 
Donald_McRonald
2007-02-26 9:30:31 PM  
KrispyKringle: I don't want to speak for Weaver95, but he might well subscribe to the trickle down philosophy. A lot of people (I'm not saying a lot of experts, because to my knowledge that statement would be false) believe that tax cuts boost the economy. Of course, you still have to collect some tax revenue to pay back the deficit, and, more importantly, the notion that cutting taxes will sufficiently boost the economy is highly debatable, but that might well be what Weaver95 thinks, and it doesn't really make him an idiot, though it may well make him wrong.

In other words, I doubt his priorities are not paying back the deficit. He's not a moron, I don't think. But I do agree with you that this would probably be a poor way of pursuing that goal.

The efficacy of the trickle down theory is unquestionable. For example, if I want to water my lawn, I could just spray it with the hose - but why? Isn't it better for me to drink from the hose (thereby ingesting life-giving H2O), then pee my pants and let the urine trickle down onto the lawn?

It just makes sense.
 
FarkmeBlind
2007-02-26 10:03:38 PM  
Donald_McRonald: For example, if I want to water my lawn, I could just spray it with the hose - but why? Isn't it better for me to drink from the hose (thereby ingesting life-giving H2O), then pee my pants and let the urine trickle down onto the lawn?

I laughed.
 
Practice Safe Farking
2007-02-26 10:09:22 PM  
Does anyone on here really know why Bill Clinton was investigated? I know many of you smart as a whip farkers think it was about sex and his affair but that's where your smartness ends. I won't go into it because it no longer matters, but it's always interesting to see smart people make a fool of themselves when they just ignore the facts.

Btw, Hillary is scared because OBamam's FBI file wasn't in the 900 or so the Clinton's illegally took back in 93. She has no dirt on him.
 
FarkmeBlind
2007-02-26 10:18:48 PM  
Practice Safe Farking: Btw, Hillary is scared because OBamam's FBI file wasn't in the 900 or so the Clinton's illegally took back in 93. She has no dirt on him.

Because seventeen years ago, he was the #2 man at Al Queda? Please come up with better chum in the future.
 
Skleenar
2007-02-26 10:23:03 PM  
Practice Safe Farking: Does anyone on here really know why Bill Clinton was investigated?

Answer
 
Mr. Horse
2007-02-26 10:31:03 PM  
Weaver95 Bush, for all his many faults, at least had some tangible contributions to this country. Like it or not, he DID serve in the military.

Okay, since you brought it up, he DID also desert his unit during wartime. But of course that doesn't bother you, because he was privileged and stuff.

Meanwhile, did you hear the one about the lawyer who was so dumb she quit her lucrative partnership in a major law firm to try to make sure all Americans got basic healthcare?
 
Practice Safe Farking
2007-02-26 10:48:31 PM  
Skleenar,

You are partially correct. Kenneth Starr took a turn in that investigation that lead to many convictions when he learned that Monica was trying to suborn the perjury of Linda Tripp. Monica got the idea from Bill Clinton who was being sued for sexual harassment by Paula Jones. Bill was using Monica to try and get Linda to lie under oath. Hence, Clinton was being investigated because he was trying to obstruct the sexual harassment case against him. Clinton further put himself into legal jeopardy by lying under oath about his relationship with Monica which was crucial in making the obstruction case.

Yes, sex was involved but Starr wasn't investigating Clinton because he had sex. The Clinton team just did a great job of spinning it that it was about sex and the MSM just regurgitated that message which eventually stuck.

It's sad that we live in a country of stupid people that are so easily persuaded by others with out knowing the facts.
 
whidbey
2007-02-26 10:48:42 PM  
Mr. Horse: Meanwhile, did you hear the one about the lawyer who was so dumb she quit her lucrative partnership in a major law firm to try to make sure all Americans got basic healthcare?

Why, is that a joke or something?

Kind of like the one "Did you hear the one about the President Who Couldn't Keep it In His Pants who Put his Wife on a do-nothing board to "study" the health care question and waste the taxpayers' money the next eight years doing so"?

I assure you neither are funny.
 
Skleenar
2007-02-26 10:58:18 PM  
Practice Safe Farking: Yes, sex was involved but Starr wasn't investigating Clinton because he had sex. The Clinton team just did a great job of spinning it that it was about sex and the MSM just regurgitated that message which eventually stuck.

Starr was investigating Clinton because of a land deal in Arkansas in which two previous investigations had found no grounds to suspect wrongdoing on the part of the Clintons.

And, in the course of this investigation, the Government obtained convictions on business partners of the Clintons (the Macdougals) by arguing that they had defrauded the Clintons in that land deal.

Of course, immediately after winning that case, the special prosecutor immediately started investigating the Clintons again.

Monica was merely the last of many other subsequent investigations that were hatched through the authority of the special prosecutor that was empowered by the initial land deal investigation, but inspired by the activities of Richard Mellon Scaife and others.
 
RyanWillia
2007-02-26 10:59:37 PM  
GIS for Dredging

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501nBoots
2007-02-26 11:03:02 PM  
[image from d.yimg.com too old to be available]

I find the camera angle on this pic particularly funny...

I didn't know Mormons even had halos!

obviously, he is the annointed one... vote for him... serve him... bear his holy children... darn his holey magic underwear...

/what kinda of a farkin' name is Mitt, anyway?
 
Sweaty Jerry
2007-02-26 11:26:38 PM  
Porking ze interns isn't illegal, and I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that we've talked and heard about the conduct of Bill's wang more than enough for this lifetime.
 
milk_plus
2007-02-26 11:45:27 PM  
501nBoots
It's a nickname. He's a catcher.
 
KrispyKringle
2007-02-27 12:01:34 AM  
Practice Safe Farking:

It's sad that we live in a country of stupid people that are so easily persuaded by others with out knowing the facts.

I agree. Some of those stupid people even post on Fark telling other people how stupid they are. I try to look for a few key signs, such as bad grammar, obsessive commenting, and use of the phrase "mainstream media," especially in abbreviated form.
 
KrispyKringle
2007-02-27 12:02:28 AM  
Donald_McRonald:

Nice. I don't think I could've put it better myself.
 
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