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(Some Guy)   The ocean is turning into one giant can of 7-Up, according to this article that shoots itself in the foot by leading with the old tooth-dissolving-in-coke urban legend   ( sciencenow.sciencemag.org) divider line
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2007-02-19 09:36:08 AM  
Proof that the Internet cannot be trusted.

/What a moran!
2007-02-19 09:37:51 AM  
Isn't water a universal solvent?
2007-02-19 09:41:32 AM  
All I can think about now is that book "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs."
2007-02-19 10:04:24 AM  

I don't like the term "universal solvent".

Water can dissolve a lot of things, but there are a whole shiatload of things that don't readily dissolve in water.

Water is a good polar solvent.
2007-02-19 10:19:08 AM  
Napalm is a universal solvent.
2007-02-19 10:33:31 AM  
Also FTA: "The changes in acidity, or pH, are quite small, so researchers use so-called spectrophotometric procedures that can detect differences down to 0.001 pH units."

What's with the "so-called"? That's what the name of the technique is, and it's not a new term. You don't see police saying "The victim was identified by his so-called fingerprints."

For the record, Snopes does claim that soda will dissolve a tiny amount of tooth overnight. But the article's author needs to be fired if "the tooth will dissolve" the kind of crap he'll print.

Science News != Science by a longshot, but they're usually better than that.
2007-02-19 11:01:40 AM  
I woke up this morning and took a so-called shower, then got into my so-called car and drove into my so-called company.
2007-02-19 11:02:41 AM  
Coke will dissolve a tooth overnight: Urban legend
Coke will dissolve a tooth: Not urban legend

Hell, it says as much on internet oracle of all truth Snopes.
2007-02-19 11:02:54 AM  
If only I had the skill to post pictures.

Cue Lisa Simpson: 'Science has already proven the dangers of smoking, alcohol and Chinese food, but I can still ruin soft drinks for everyone!'
2007-02-19 11:13:24 AM  
Better than Coke.
2007-02-19 11:13:48 AM  
Phosphoric acid will get the job done eventually, subby. RTFIL.
2007-02-19 11:13:59 AM  
"It's not news"

No, really!
2007-02-19 11:14:16 AM  
make beer out of it no problem
2007-02-19 11:14:26 AM  
lasers are a good solvent
2007-02-19 11:14:45 AM  
i've seen coke dissolve a tooth.

/just thought i'd let you know, farkers
2007-02-19 11:14:52 AM  
7 Up yours subby..

/ Having a 7/7 as I type..
2007-02-19 11:16:02 AM  
This article was poorly written.

/What? I'm a straightforward guy.
2007-02-19 11:17:04 AM  
I don't like the term "universal solvent".

Water can dissolve a lot of things, but there are a whole shiatload of things that don't readily dissolve in water.

The key word there is readily. Given time water will eventually etch out a groove through the universe.
2007-02-19 11:17:09 AM  
I think time is the only universal solvent.
2007-02-19 11:17:52 AM  
Coke will dissolve teeth. Smoking meth is even better though.
2007-02-19 11:18:40 AM  
John Guinotte of the Marine Conservation Biology Institute in Bellevue, Washington, who was not involved, agrees. The rate of change is "amazing," he says.

It's interesting that Guinotte could've said anything, such as, "It's amazing that these idiots bring this garbage to me for consultation and comment."

The one-word quote always alerts me to the propagation of bullshidt.
2007-02-19 11:19:15 AM  
Let me see now...dead oceans, 7.6 billion people, most of the forests chopped down, most of the topsoil washed away or salinified, a world-wide ever-deepening economic depression, and over-allocated fresh water sources on every continent.

My goodness, 2020 A.D. sounds just peachy!


Study sees harmful hunt for extra oil
By Carola Hoyos in London

Published: February 18 2007 22:05 | Last updated: February 18 2007 22:05

All the world's extra oil supply is likely to come from expensive and environmentally damaging unconventional sources within 15 years, according to a detailed study.

This will mean increasing reliance on hard-to-develop sources of energy such as the Canadian oil sands and Venezuela's Orinoco tar belt.

A report from Wood Mackenzie, the Edinburgh-based consultancy, calculates that the world holds 3,600bn barrels of unconventional oil and gas that need a lot of energy to extract.

So far only 8 per cent of that has begun to be developed, because the world has relied on easier sources of oil and gas.

Only 15 per cent of the 3,600bn is heavy and extra-heavy oil, with the rest being even more challenging.

The study makes clear the shift could come sooner than many people in the industry had expected, even though some major conventional oil fields will still be increasing their production in 2020. Those increases will not be enough to offset the decline at other fields.

"It becomes unclear beyond 2020 that conventional oil will be able to meet any of the demand growth," Wood Mackenzie said. The report added that natural gas products such as liquids and condensate would also become important sources of growth.

The increasing reliance on unconventional oil will require a substantial reshaping of the energy industry.

Royal Dutch Shell and Total of Europe and ExxonMobil and Chevron, the US-based energy groups, have already begun to invest heavily in Canada and Venezuela.

Others - including Chinese energy groups - are looking at the possibility of extracting heavy oil from Madagascar.

On the gas front, Devon Energy last year spent $2.2bn (€1.7bn, £1.1bn) expanding its already sizeable position in Texas's Barnett shale by acquiring Chief Oil and Gas. The development of such shale deposits is expected to help the US get 40 per cent of its production from unconventional sources by 2020.

But the challenge is huge, said Matthew Simmons, an industry banker who sent shock waves through the oil world when he questioned whether Saudi Arabia, the most important oil source, would be able to continue to expand production.

"The ability to extract this heavy oil in significant volumes is still non-existent," he said in a recent speech.

"Worse, it takes vast quantities of scarce and valuable potable water and natural gas to turn unusable oil into heavy low-quality oil."

"In a sense, this exercise is like turning gold into lead," Mr Simmons said.
2007-02-19 11:20:49 AM  
Maybe it's time for a Coke/Pepsi challenge. We'll see which one rots your teeth first.
2007-02-19 11:21:20 AM  
"inorganic carbon"


By definition, a compound that contains carbon is "organic." So how in the fark can you have "inorganic carbon"?
That's kind of like having unoxygenated oxygen.
2007-02-19 11:25:12 AM  
By definition, a compound that contains carbon is "organic." So how in the fark can you have "inorganic carbon"?
That's kind of like having unoxygenated oxygen.

I don't have a formal definition of organic chemisty handy, but I wouldn't consider CO2 to be organic. Maybe it's something to do with C-C bonds, with methane being a special case as a member of the alkanes.
2007-02-19 11:26:35 AM  
Hmm... C-C bonds is silly, as that would make graphite organic. Ho hum...
2007-02-19 11:26:57 AM  
Organic refers to the C-H bonds. There are some inorganic carbon compounds.
2007-02-19 11:27:06 AM  

Now I know where to dump all these dead hookers.
2007-02-19 11:27:11 AM  
A compound that contains carbon and hydrogen is considered organic... sure it can also contain oxygen, nitrogen, whatever, but it must contain some hydrogen. CO2, C (graphite), C (diamond), CO, CS2, CCl4, are all inorganic carbon.
2007-02-19 11:27:42 AM  
Thats as stupid as the Organic marketing gimmick at supermarkets. I love how the "organic" lettuce costs 3 times as much as non organic lettuce. All food for the most part is friggin organic. It all grows out of the ground or comes off an animal. If they want to note that is grown without pesticides or whatever the reason for the "organic" label is for they need to come up with a better term.
2007-02-19 11:28:04 AM  
errmm... have you ever done it? you get a squishy tooth after a while, its awesome. i did it with the drumsticks from thanksgiving turkey one year. RUBBER BONES!
2007-02-19 11:31:41 AM  
Well if its true, then I have no problem with this. I hate the ocean, its cold and salty, and lots of things in it want to eat me. On the other hand, I like 7-Up, its sweet and fizzy. So I for one, would see this as a great improvement, enough to turn the tide, as it were, in favor of me liking the ocean.

/I want some 7-Up right now!
//I mean Ocean, yea I want some Ocean right now...thats right..
2007-02-19 11:34:58 AM  
give me doughnuts: "By definition, a compound that contains carbon is 'organic.' So how in the fark can you have 'inorganic carbon'?"

Uh, no. Carbon is a chemical element that has the symbol C and atomic number 6. An abundant nonmetallic, tetravalent element, carbon has several allotropic forms. All organic molecules are based on Carbon, but not all carbon coumpound are organic. CO2 is not organic. Carbon dioxide is a chemical compound composed of one carbon and two oxygen atoms.
2007-02-19 11:35:18 AM  
AgonistAlex: errmm... have you ever done it? you get a squishy tooth after a while, its awesome. i did it with the drumsticks from thanksgiving turkey one year. RUBBER BONES!

Mmmmm. Sodabones.
2007-02-19 11:37:08 AM  
100 years from now, after the population has doubled, people will still be saying "There are too many people. The planet can't sustain them." And things will carry on as usual.
2007-02-19 11:38:23 AM  
Whaddya expect. This person beleives a major portion of the acidity of a soda comes from the carbonic acid, and not the phosphoric acid that really puts the tang in the soda.

When I saw the headline I figured there was something about the phosphate run off making trouble worse than algea blooms. Hmm, I wonder what the atmospheric/ hydrospheric relationship works on the CO2 and the coresponding pH change for real.
2007-02-19 11:45:02 AM  
sounds like an alarmist reaction to me. It's always good to be prepared though.
2007-02-19 11:45:18 AM  
Has anyone noticed that it's hard to find 7up anymore? Sprite and its crappy cousin Sierra Mist are everywhere.

7up. You like it, it likes you.
2007-02-19 11:46:07 AM  
the carbon-hydrogen bond makes something "Organinc" doesn't it?
2007-02-19 11:46:43 AM  
2007-02-19 11:47:29 AM  
canyoneer: My goodness, 2020 A.D. sounds just peachy!

Look on the bright side: the world ends in 2012 anyway, so we'll never have to worry about how terrible things would have been in 2020.
2007-02-19 11:50:15 AM  

Has anyone noticed that it's hard to find 7up anymore? Sprite and its crappy cousin Sierra Mist.
No problem in Nevada. You'll get punked serving a casino 7/7 with Sierra Mist. Don't mess with nickel slot players. Ya get hurt..
2007-02-19 11:52:54 AM  
What interests me is how people freak out over any sort of change. The history of earth is one of continual climate and environmental alteration. I don't know where you got the idea that things should stay the way they are forever.
2007-02-19 11:56:01 AM  

Ha, too bad the world already ended in 1978 and we're all just ghosts, drifting around in nostalgic nonexistence forever.

I would've gotten on the boat, but I had severe diarrhea and missed my flight to Guyana.

...Everyone already biatched about what I wanted to biatch about in the article so... carry on.
2007-02-19 11:58:11 AM  
Coke will dissolve a tooth. It's just that it takes a week or more to happen. Did it myself as a teenager. Unless the issue is that "dissolve" is the wrong word. But I don't care much, it disappears, that's good enough as far as I'm concerned.
2007-02-19 11:58:27 AM  
From what I remember from science class it's these little creatures that take the dissolved CO2 from the oceans and bonds it calcium to create their calcium carbonate shells. Back in the day (millions of years ago) there where more of these little creatures swimming because of the copious amounts of CO2 that was in the air back then, they are the reason that CO2 declines thought-out the millenniums making those huge deep deposits of limestone that are all over the world. Far as I can tell the more CO2 the happier these little guys are.
2007-02-19 12:06:20 PM  
Could it possibly be that the instrumentation used to measure the pH has gotten much better and more sensitive over the last 15 years? Or maybe sometime very soon the oceans will treat us like they treated the aliens in Alien Nation. Acid Bath anyone? Sam Francisco does not approve! Everybody PANIC!!!!
2007-02-19 12:07:00 PM  
The ocean is turning into one giant can of 7up

More like one giant can Slurm!
2007-02-19 12:08:47 PM  
ahknight Napalm is a universal solvent.

Col. Kilgore agrees.

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2007-02-19 12:14:39 PM  
The more CO2 in the ocean the less in the air doing that anthropophogous global harming climate hand jive.
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