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DrBenway
2007-02-10 2:46:21 PM  
Which is great, because we all know how Live Aid stopped famine in its tracks

...and so defines it as an utterly useless failure, right, subby?
 
AeroSquid
2007-02-10 2:48:36 PM  
Al will will be making an appearance in Eco-1: His kickin monster Humvee that he unloaded off his personal Anatov Cargo plane.
 
BlueDjinn
2007-02-10 2:49:54 PM  
Yes, Live Aid was guilty of incredible inefficiency (with only a small percentage of the donations actually resulting in starving people getting food), overblown hype & hypocrisy, out-of-control egos, etc...but it was still a hell of a lot more helpful than not doing ANYTHING.

If Gore's global warming concert results in increased funding of alternative fuel research and/or other environmental/ecological improvements, it'll be well worth it.
 
Charming_Man
2007-02-10 2:54:10 PM  
I'm going to pretend the concert doesn't exist.
 
albo
2007-02-10 2:58:14 PM  
unless he books all country music acts, he's probably preaching to the choir--the youth audience gets environmentalism in their mother's milk these days
 
MrBeefy
2007-02-10 2:58:17 PM  
Yes, better not to try at all.
 
knbber2
2007-02-10 3:00:05 PM  
Make sure all the performers fly in on their private jets.
 
Weaver95
2007-02-10 3:16:20 PM  
If Gore's global warming concert results in increased funding of alternative fuel research and/or other environmental/ecological improvements, it'll be well worth it.

Concert events cause global warming. I read that on the intertubes once.
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2007-02-10 3:20:57 PM  
The best part is that He, the audience and the acts will descend on London, Washington DC, Shanghai, Rio de Janeiro, Cape Town and Kyoto from points all around the world in C02 belching machines and will consume billions of jigawatts of electrical power all in the name of conservation and saving Mother Earth.

And y'all expect me to join this church?
 
Weaver95
2007-02-10 3:24:49 PM  
And y'all expect me to join this church?

You and I don't get a choice, remember? this is 'for the good of the planet' after all. No more cars, televisions, internets, air conditioning....the algore has told us that we should be happy living in a dirt floor hut, chewing on granola and being beekeepers for the rest of our lives.

Of course, algore and the other envirionmentalist leaders will get to keep their hi-tech lifestyles. Because they care more than we do.
 
Gahbrone
2007-02-10 3:25:11 PM  
yeah, that's the ticket... we'll just bribe global warming to stop it.
 
albo
2007-02-10 3:40:08 PM  
and ironically, the poor people living in developing third world nations, who stand the most to lose from the economic dislocations resulting from the policies demanded by most environmentalists, probably won't get to see the concert let alone afford the tickets and transportation.
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2007-02-10 3:44:45 PM  
Weaver95: Because they care more than we do.

Ahhhh...I see...He is The One.
 
Weaver95
2007-02-10 3:56:30 PM  
and ironically, the poor people living in developing third world nations, who stand the most to lose from the economic dislocations resulting from the policies demanded by most environmentalists, probably won't get to see the concert let alone afford the tickets and transportation.

yeah, but see - 'the poor' really aren't 'poor'. They're 'living close to nature'. So really, we should all admire them for daring to live a life without an excess of meat in their diet, and living without things like cars, evil corporate medical insurance and televisions. No guns either! because guns are evil! you don't want to be evil, right? Of course not!
 
Abagadro
2007-02-10 4:20:11 PM  
It's funny how some people have to reify the issue of global warming into someone they can attack. I'd say it suggests severe insecurity in one's position.
 
inTheJungle
2007-02-10 4:22:58 PM  
Wow, an oppressed anti-environment wankfest featuring Dancin_In_Anson, Weaver95, and Gahbrone. TGOT busy?


No more cars, televisions, internets, air conditioning.

Yes, Al Gore is well-known for wanting to ban all of these things.


we'll just bribe global warming to stop it.

Or, we could pretend it doesn't exist. Sound like a plan?


The best part is that He, the audience and the acts will descend on London, Washington DC, Shanghai, Rio de Janeiro, Cape Town and Kyoto from points all around the world in C02 belching machines and will consume billions of jigawatts of electrical power all in the name of conservation and saving Mother Earth.

This is almost a good point. It's almost like saying, "I won't invest in my business, because I'd have to spend money to make money. Not for me!"
 
DisneyOnIce
2007-02-10 4:28:05 PM  
Weaver95: the algore has told us that we should be happy living in a dirt floor hut, chewing on granola and being beekeepers for the rest of our lives.

Of course, algore and the other envirionmentalist leaders will get to keep their hi-tech lifestyles. Because they care more than we do.

Nice to see the crazy is still alive and kicking with you, old buddy! Howe are you?
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2007-02-10 4:34:56 PM  
inTheJungle: It's almost like saying, "I won't invest in my business, because I'd have to spend money to make money. Not for me!"

No, it's more "Do as I say, not as I do."

This reminds me of a Moonie mass wedding....
 
RealDonn
2007-02-10 4:44:22 PM  
What have you done to in any way relieve famine, subby.

albo: Don't see the youth audience doing any recycling around here, always makes me wonder why.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-02-10 5:32:37 PM  
RealDonn: What have you done to in any way relieve famine, subby.

Subby here. Well, lessee: For starters, I adopted a Chinese orphan so she wouldn't grow up with no home and nothing to eat but watery congee for the rest of her life.

Oh yeah--and I bought a bunch of Live Aid T-shirts.
 
albo
2007-02-10 5:35:08 PM  
to paraphrase p.j. o'rourke, environmentalism is a luxury good, the whipped cream on the cake. rich countries can afford it. poor countries would love to have those worries--they are preoccupied with growing enough food, and cracking down on their polllution--aka their industrial progress--keeps them poor.

the solution is to make the world rich--led capitalism and free trade rule the day. with prosperity, you have fewer kids, and the ones you have don't die of diarrhea at age 4 because you get your water from an open well. i want malawi to be rich enough to buy our stuff.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-02-10 5:35:29 PM  
DrBenway: ...and so defines it as an utterly useless failure, right, subby?

Does it in turn define it as some sort of benchmark?

If memory serves, Live Aid raised a lot of money and awareness, the disposition of which follows:

1. Money: The fraction that wasn't spent on T-shirts, records, concerts etc. bought some food and trucks, almost all of which was hijacked before it got to Ethiopia. Because the problem there was never poverty; it was corruption and repression.

2. Awareness faded as soon as Farm Aid and the yelling about Sun City came along and the general public's 8-second attention span was diverted.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-02-10 5:36:57 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: The best part is that He, the audience and the acts will descend on London, Washington DC, Shanghai, Rio de Janeiro, Cape Town and Kyoto from points all around the world in C02 belching machines and will consume billions of jigawatts of electrical power all in the name of conservation and saving Mother Earth.

I seem to remember an estimate from last year showing that Earth Day generates an average of 50 million tons of garbage every year. Or some godawful huge number like that.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-02-10 5:38:06 PM  
Abagadro: It's funny how some people have to reify the issue of global warming into someone they can attack

I started to retort, then realized I don't know what "reify" means.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-02-10 5:39:25 PM  
BlueDjinn: it was still a hell of a lot more helpful than not doing ANYTHING

Given that so many people thought it did so much more than it really did and stroked the public's desire for "aid" that feels good but does almost nothing, I think I can't agree.
 
Weaver95
2007-02-10 5:45:36 PM  
What have you done to in any way relieve famine, subby.

If they wanted to be a smart ass, they protested to allow unrestricted sales of GM food and crop seed to third world countries.

eco-nuts: "people are starving!"

scientist: "ok, well - i've come up with this genetically modified food crop that takes into account the relatively crude farming techniques of average third world farmers, their limited water supplies, and poor soil quality and will allow them to grow enough food to feed themselves. As a bonus, it's even cheap enough for darn near everyone to purchase! How's about that?"

eco-nut: "..."blink"..."

scientist: "well?"

eco-nut: "BURN THE WITCH!"
 
ceejayoz [OhFark]
2007-02-10 6:03:18 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: I seem to remember an estimate from last year showing that Earth Day generates an average of 50 million tons of garbage every year. Or some godawful huge number like that.

Doesn't that mean like 10 tons of garbage per person actually celebrating it?

I suspect that number is a tad exaggerated.
 
roryman
2007-02-10 6:47:17 PM  
sarcasm. finger-pointing. anger. masturbation. acceptance.
 
Jon Snow
2007-02-10 6:50:54 PM  
Weaver95: No more cars, televisions, internets, air conditioning....the algore has told us that we should be happy living in a dirt floor hut, chewing on granola and being beekeepers for the rest of our lives.

You're an idiot.

Seriously.
 
Gosling
2007-02-10 7:08:52 PM  
Submitter misses the point of these concerts.

Goal 1 is raising awareness.
Goal 2 is raising money.
Goal 3 is finding the right people to get the money to.
Goal 4 is getting world leaders to do something substansive about the problem.

The further down the list you can get, the more successful the concert's been. 1 and 2 aren't a problem. 3's a bit harder, and nobody's been able to accomplish 4 yet.
 
Murkanen
2007-02-10 7:19:20 PM  
Which is great, because we all know how Live Aid stopped famine in its tracks

...because sitting on your ass biatching about it through the intertubes was more productive, right Subby?
 
ColdFusion
2007-02-10 7:19:49 PM  
Let's change this up to World War 2, when the government FORCED people to ration, and regulated travel ("Is this trip REALLY necessary?") for the War effort:

1942-02-10 03:16:20 PM Weaver95
"No more cars, radios, telephones, air conditioning....the FDR has told us that we should be happy living in a dirt floor hut, chewing on granola and being beekeepers for the rest of our lives."

Yeah, sounds just as retarded then, too.
 
Bloody William
2007-02-10 7:32:48 PM  
Weaver95: If they wanted to be a smart ass, they protested to allow unrestricted sales of GM food and crop seed to third world countries.

eco-nuts: "people are starving!"

scientist: "ok, well - i've come up with this genetically modified food crop that takes into account the relatively crude farming techniques of average third world farmers, their limited water supplies, and poor soil quality and will allow them to grow enough food to feed themselves. As a bonus, it's even cheap enough for darn near everyone to purchase! How's about that?"

eco-nut: "..."blink"..."

scientist: "well?"

eco-nut: "BURN THE WITCH!"

Um... what GM food is that? Most GM crops are more expensive, not less expensive, and are valued because they're more resistant to parasites, disease, and weather rather than their price.

And I'm fine with GM food being on the market. I just think it should be clearly and obviously labeled so if someone doesn't want to have GM food in their diet, they will be able not to.

There is some great potential for danger in GM food. It's pretty untested, and for all of the complaints you have about eco-nuts being against GM, the US is responsible for almost 70% of the genetically modified crops on the planet (at least in terms of surface space).

Yes, there's a movement to have them banned. I think that's a bit extreme.
 
Omis
2007-02-10 7:34:36 PM  
Who the hell cares about global warming anyways? So what if in hundred years the temperature might go up a few degrees. I mean honestly, does global warming need more awareness? Everyones heard about it. They either believe or they don't. No amount of facts or figures are going to change it.

So instead of spending money in trying to prove it's real, why not spend the money in actually cleaning up the environment? Because no one is going to argue whether we need cleaner waters, cleaner air, or renewable energy. Even dumbest redneck will tell you that we do.
 
Bloody William
2007-02-10 7:38:32 PM  
Omis: Who the hell cares about global warming anyways? So what if in hundred years the temperature might go up a few degrees. I mean honestly, does global warming need more awareness? Everyones heard about it. They either believe or they don't. No amount of facts or figures are going to change it.

Actually, That's not quite true.
 
tomcatadam
2007-02-10 7:46:16 PM  
Bloody William: Actually, That's not quite true.

13% isn't so bad when you compare it to other figures (Iraq-alqueda link, etc.)

/not trying to bring politics in
//Global warming happens. Global cooling happens. Too much of either is a bad thing.
 
Mad Tea Party
2007-02-10 7:55:27 PM  
Weaver95: scientist: "ok, well - i've come up with this genetically modified food crop that takes into account the relatively crude farming techniques of average third world farmers, their limited water supplies, and poor soil quality and will allow them to grow enough food to feed themselves. As a bonus, it's even cheap enough for darn near everyone to purchase!

And as an added bonus, I've dicked with the genes to make the crops go sterile after a few generations, making you dependent on my company for more seeds! And of course, we can't be held responsible if our stuff cross-pollinates with your other crops. Why would anyone be afraid of GM foods?
 
General Zang
2007-02-10 8:08:36 PM  
albo said:

to paraphrase p.j. o'rourke, environmentalism is a luxury good, the whipped cream on the cake. rich countries can afford it. poor countries would love to have those worries--they are preoccupied with growing enough food, and cracking down on their polllution--aka their industrial progress--keeps them poor.

the solution is to make the world rich--led capitalism and free trade rule the day. with prosperity, you have fewer kids, and the ones you have don't die of diarrhea at age 4 because you get your water from an open well. i want malawi to be rich enough to buy our stuff.

The people of Tuvalu would like a word with you.

You'll have to go visit them (the entire national population of Tuvalu) over in New Zealand though... because rising sea levels are in the process of wiping out their entire nation.

When the same thing happens to Florida within 30 years, I don't doubt that there will be quite a few folks who will see it as some sort of poetic justice.

Oh... and while we're talking about how the glorious benefits of unfettered Capitalism which will bless the third world with untold riches.... the residents of Bhopal in India would like a word with you as well.
 
nintendofreak2
2007-02-10 8:10:14 PM  
Omis: Who the hell cares about global warming anyways? So what if in hundred years the temperature might go up a few degrees.

Temperature going up = ice caps melting

ice caps melting = sea level going up

sea level going up = millions of acres of seaside land (including some of the world's most populated areas) being permanently submerged underwater = BAD
 
JustAnotherSavage
2007-02-10 8:12:16 PM  
If Al gore cared anything about the environment/energy he wouldn't have sold off our oil reserves at Elk Hills Calif. in the 90's to his buddies at occidental oil.

"[snip]http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=468

Al Gore: The Other Oil Candidate

Before the Elk Hills sale, Al Gore controlled between $250,000-$500,000 of Occidental stock (he is executor of a trust that he says goes only to his mother, but will revert to him upon her death). After the sale, Gore began disclosing between $500,000 and $1 million of his significantly more valuable stock.

Nowhere is Al Gore's environmental hypocrisy more glaring than when it comes to his relationship with Occidental. While on the one hand talking tough about his "big oil" opponents and waxing poetic about indigenous peoples in his 1992 book "Earth in the Balance," the Elk Hills sale and other deals show that money has always been more important to Al Gore than ideals.
 
General Zang
2007-02-10 8:17:21 PM  
Omis said:

Because no one is going to argue whether we need cleaner waters, cleaner air, or renewable energy. Even dumbest redneck will tell you that we do.

Not true.

As soon as you propose actual restrictions on what can be dumped into rivers and streams, the usual rednecked suspects will be screaming about how your stupid hippie environmentalism is costing jobs and moeny and hamstringing industry.

So yeah... they're all for cleaner drinking water *in principle*, just so long as they can keep dumping Tetramonohycloccidewhatsis a mile upstream from the municipal water intakes.

Because.. you know... the factory dumping the Tetramonohycloccidewhatsis in on that most sacred and holy of ground: "Private Property".

And that most holy-of-holies must be respected at all costs.... so drink your daily dose of Tetramonohycloccidewhatsis with a smile... or else you're a filthy communistic tree hugger.

;)
 
JustAnotherSavage
2007-02-10 8:27:30 PM  
Okay General Zang...

You said "
As soon as you propose actual restrictions on what can be dumped into rivers and streams, the usual rednecked suspects will be screaming about how your stupid hippie environmentalism is costing jobs and moeny and hamstringing industry.

So yeah... they're all for cleaner drinking water *in principle*, just so long as they can keep dumping Tetramonohycloccidewhatsis a mile upstream from the municipal water intakes.

Because.. you know... the factory dumping the Tetramonohycloccidewhatsis in on that most sacred and holy of ground: "Private Property".

And that most holy-of-holies must be respected at all costs.... so drink your daily dose of Tetramonohycloccidewhatsis with a smile... or else you're a filthy communistic tree hugger."


What are your environmental groups or ALGore doing about the thousands and thousands of acres in our national parks and forests that are being used to grow dope by Mexican Drug cartels? They use any and every manner of chemical, many outlawed in this country. They skin the land and the trees. THEY're ARMED!
The damage to the environment, the watershed, is beyond anything a farmer is doing. And the desert where they trek through to get here is devistated.

But NO, not a peep out of any of you about that! biatch at the farmers, yeah, that's REAL smart!

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2006/09/mexican-border-has-moved-800-miles.h tml
 
CityHall
2007-02-10 8:44:58 PM  
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/not serious
 
Hibno
2007-02-10 8:48:36 PM  
Weaver95, environmentalists are advocating things like this this:

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NOT this:


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TADAMZ
2007-02-10 8:53:35 PM  
Ok, can someone explain something to me that's been bugging me for awhile. Why are so many people against doing things to fight global warming? I mean, sure they say it doesn't exist but here's my train of though:
1) We try to fix the problem, global warming exists. Yay! We fight global warming!
2) We try and fight the problem, global warming doesn't exist. Yay! We have less pollution!

Someone PLEASE tell me where the flaw is in my logic, cause there must be one.
 
Comrade438
2007-02-10 9:05:24 PM  
Hibno: ...environmentalists are advocating things like this this:

[image from upload.wikimedia.org too old to be available]

...but not these, 'cause that'd be awful even though the vast majority of new reactors are tremendously safer than the current ones we're operating.
 
Omis
2007-02-10 9:08:10 PM  
Bloody William

At any rate informing that last 13% isn't going to change anything.

nintendofreak2

The point is that the vast majority isn't going to care that the earth MAYBE will get hotter. But when you tell them that the water IS unsafe to drink, we need to clean it. You won't get opposition from the people. When you tell them the air IS dirty, we need to clean it. You won't get opposition from the people. When you tell them that we will run out of oil, we need to find alternatives. You wont get opposition from the people. Because all of this is affecting us right now. The extra bonus is you're helping to fight climate change.


Sure the big polluters will object. But they will have a hard time BSing people when they can see with their own eyes, that we need to be cleaner.

People are bent on making Global Warming as the reason for going green, that all the other reasons, which have immediate impact, get forgotten.
 
Comrade438
2007-02-10 9:10:49 PM  
TADAMZ: Someone PLEASE tell me where the flaw is in my logic, cause there must be one.

Both things cost money. Perhaps even lots of money.
 
Gosling
2007-02-10 9:12:45 PM  
TADAMZ, the problem is a lot of people are afraid that it'll lower their own personal standard of living. Dress it up and elaborate however you want, but that's where all the threads and explanations lead back to. Weaver95 more or less distilled it to its core- he just took the more irrational end of the viewpoint.

The detractors would, by and large, be just fine if YOU drove an electric car and lived in a mud hut in a tree or whatever. That does not effect THEM. But when you ask THEM to, for instance, drive less often- just a minor, easy change- you'll get a million and a half excuses back, some bordering on abusive.

"But I drive 15 miles to work!" (Fine, then. Drive 15 miles. If you're only going one or two miles, though, grab a bike or walk or something.)
"It'll take me too long to get where I'm going!" (How slow do you pedal, anyway? I'm completely out of shape and I can get to 15-20 mph no problem.)
"It won't do anything! It's a drop in the bucket compared to, say, a volcano!" (Do you drive a volcano? No? Then shut the hell up. It's not much, but it decreases the pollution by a nonzero amount, and it adds up.)
"You first!" (Done. Your turn.)
"I'll drive however the fark I want to!" (Speaking of. Mind removing the cell phone from your ear? You almost veered into me.)

And so on. They want the burger, but they want you to slaughter the cow.
 
Rational Exuberance
2007-02-10 9:15:01 PM  
TADAMZ: Ok, can someone explain something to me that's been bugging me for awhile. Why are so many people against doing things to fight global warming? I mean, sure they say it doesn't exist but here's my train of though:
1) We try to fix the problem, global warming exists. Yay! We fight global warming!
2) We try and fight the problem, global warming doesn't exist. Yay! We have less pollution!

Someone PLEASE tell me where the flaw is in my logic, cause there must be one.

I've been asking this for awhile. There's a lot of misinformation about the solutions we have to reduce pollution. Emissions credits are a good plan, and don't take away consumer choice. They should be increased to an individual level.

Pollution is a classic externality problem, and credit trading is the best way to solve it. It gives polluters incentives to decrease, and it gives conservationists a financial benefit.
 
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