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MacSlacker
2007-01-22 3:40:52 AM  
Amen to that!

/the slashies have the majority
//you will obey the slashies!!
 
HumbleGod
2007-01-22 5:28:03 AM  
Oh yes, all that name-calling the Democrats did while Republicans were perfect stewards of government for twelve years? Nice try.
 
Puppeteer_23
2007-01-22 10:48:35 AM  
[image from mybeta.imagepile.net too old to be available]

/There. Now THAT's some namecalling.
 
hillbillypharmacist
2007-01-22 11:07:55 AM  
Barack Obama doesn't have enough gravitas to be President?

Let me remind you of something, Mr. Luntz:

One pictured Mr Bush looking under a piece of furniture in the Oval Office, at which the president remarked: "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere."

After another one, showing him scouring the corner of a room, Mr Bush said: "No, no weapons over there," he said.

And as a third picture, this time showing him leaning over, appeared on the screen the president was heard to say: "Maybe under here?"

In sum, go f*ck yourself with a wooden spoon.
 
FlashHarry [TotalFark]
2007-01-22 11:18:35 AM  
Bush had ZERO gravitas. He was the governor of Texas, fer chrissakes - a position with no real power or responsibility. Plus, he'd never been out of the country prior to holding office (drunken trips to Mexico excepted). Hell - he got his foreign policy training from Prince farking Bandar of Saudi Arabia! Gravitas, my ass!
 
Crosshair
2007-01-22 11:32:54 AM  
Yea, not surprised by anything. Same stuff will happen, there will just be a "D" next to their name instead of an "R". Still betting the screw it up, though it will be interesting to see how.
 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum
2007-01-22 11:32:59 AM  
Odd how name-calling has worked so well for the Republicans, as well as making Rush, et al very rich.

I guess it's part of being an entitlementarian. We should obsequiously allow our entitlementarians to do and say what they want, because, they're more equal than the rest of us.

.
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 11:47:24 AM  
The Republicans are a party in peril, but all is not milk and cookies in Democrat land. The Democrats - flush with majority status - have a crucial choice right now. They can use their newly-won mandate to settle some old scores...or they can get responsibly and move ahead. They would be wise to opt for the latter.

Do as we say, not as we do.

Can anyone actually read this tripe without cracking up?

I mean, it might be good advice and all, but please. Clean out your own roost before preaching to the Dems.
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 11:50:57 AM  
Oh, it gets better:


Senator Barbara Boxer (news, bio, voting record) can't really believe that a single woman without children is totally incapable of feeling emotional loss just because she hasn't had any children in combat, can she? Yet that's exactly what she said to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice


No. That's not exactly what she said. That's exactly what political hacks like you have tried to construe what Boxer said.

Please, in the interest of the future of your party, stop calling Democrats names.
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 11:57:03 AM  
More:

The list goes on. Speaker Pelosi callously suggesting that President Bush is moving quickly to "put troops in harms way" is a short jump away from suggesting that the President is deliberately trying to get our soldiers killed.


Funny, that's exactly what Stephen Hadley, the National Security Advisor, said Bush was going to do. And that is what Pelosi was responding to.

/Ok, not exactly--just playing on the author's use of the word. But the meaning was clear.
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 11:58:28 AM  
Luntz:

We need an intelligent debate, not a sound-bite contest.


/cue hearty laughter, snorts of derision
 
FuzzplugJones
2007-01-22 12:11:23 PM  
Great headline.
 
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-01-22 12:18:42 PM  
Skleenar: cue hearty laughter, snorts of derision

Let the record show that The Gentleman from Seattle is opposed to intelligent political debate and therefore hates our troop.
 
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-01-22 12:19:26 PM  
TroopS, even.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-01-22 12:23:21 PM  
Lemme see if I follow the discussion so far:

1. Namecalling and political revenge are Bad Things.
2. They contributed to keeping Dems in the minority for so long.
3. Avoiding both and staying on message helped them win back the House and Senate last fall.
4. So now they're justified in pursuing all the revenge they can Because the GOP Deserves It.

That about right?
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-01-22 12:28:19 PM  
Skleenar: Senator Barbara Boxer (news, bio, voting record) can't really believe that a single woman without children is totally incapable of feeling emotional loss just because she hasn't had any children in combat, can she? Yet that's exactly what she said to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

No. That's not exactly what she said. That's exactly what political hacks like you have tried to construe what Boxer said.

Here are her actual words:

"Now, the issue is who pays the price, who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, within immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families, and I just want to bring us back to that fact."

So what IS she saying? That if you don't have kids in the military or aren't in the military yourself you can't comprehend the cost or sacrifice?

Sorry, but that's one of the most dumbassed things I've ever heard a politician say. I don't have to personally jam my own hand into a running garbage disposal to know it's a bad idea.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-01-22 12:41:31 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young.

And as many others have already pointed out: Our troops are ADULT VOLUNTEERS. We need to quit talking about them as if they were abused children and we need to quit pretending politicians are hypocrites for not "sending their children" to Iraq.
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 12:59:40 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: So what IS she saying? That if you don't have kids in the military or aren't in the military yourself you can't comprehend the cost or sacrifice?

She was asking her to consider in her decisions the people paying the price. Why else would Boxer include herself in the statement? Do you think she was implying that Grandmother's can't understand the costs of war?

This is a silly argument that is being pushed by silly people for partisan reasons. And you are buying it hook-line-and-sinker.
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 1:01:44 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: And as many others have already pointed out: Our troops are ADULT VOLUNTEERS.

And that is yet another silly talking point.

People in this country do not divorce their parents at the age of majority.

It is perfectly reasonable and correct for Boxer to refer to her kids as her 'kids'.
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 1:05:22 PM  
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Let the record show that The Gentleman from Seattle is opposed to intelligent political debate and therefore hates our troop.

Let the record show that the inebriated and fractious Gentleman from Pennsylvania has wit and can twist meanings into a triple Luntz.

Kudos!
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-01-22 1:29:29 PM  
Skleenar: It is perfectly reasonable and correct for Boxer to refer to her kids as her 'kids'.

It is perfectly asinine to refer to our troops collectively as "our children" and ask Bush et. al. why they don't send their own kids to Iraq.
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 1:31:55 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: It is perfectly asinine to refer to our troops collectively as "our children" and ask Bush et. al. why they don't send their own kids to Iraq.

Why are you reading that into Boxer's statement?
 
sigdiamond2000
2007-01-22 1:32:21 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin

Here are her actual words:

"Now, the issue is who pays the price, who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, within immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families, and I just want to bring us back to that fact."

You seem to be under the impression that providing the actual quote supports your postition. I find that very bizarre.
 
Tastes Like Chicken
2007-01-22 1:39:06 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin

Your direct quote undercuts your argument. It isn't a confusing statement.

She says explicitly "So who pays the price? The American military and their families, and I just want to bring us back to that fact."

That is the point. Understanding the price doesn't even factor into it. It's a matter of who pays it. I could understand not getting a lot of weird out of context quotes, but this one is clear as day. You're either intellectually dishonest, or you're skipping gym class to post here.
 
stebain
2007-01-22 2:16:05 PM  
Luntz? The guy who will not only call you a name, but will poll to find out which name is the most effective?
 
IPOOPONU
2007-01-22 2:32:21 PM  
TFA:The list goes on. Speaker Pelosi callously suggesting that President Bush is moving quickly to "put troops in harms way"

Uhh.. seriously? Republicans and their kool aid drinkers are crying because of this????
The official Republican party has called Democrats terrorist supporters and traitors for years and you guys are crying because of this????
Get farking real.
 
flavor of the month
2007-01-22 2:32:52 PM  
newsflash: democratic victory sends republican activist into conniption fit
 
twilson2
2007-01-22 2:38:11 PM  
>> Power does strange things to Democrats: Put a gavel in their hands and a camera in their face and they revert to the name-calling that kept them from the majority for a dozen long years

And thats nothing compared to conservatives being so repulsive they were kept out of power for 40 years
 
Ex-Republican
2007-01-22 2:38:33 PM  
After the 109th Congress it's a little early to start biatching about the new Congress.
 
poopooface
2007-01-22 2:39:05 PM  
democrats only have a chance with Edwards
 
nogames2k4
2007-01-22 2:40:54 PM  
By comparison, the Democrat majority that took Congress in November

Isn't calling the Democratic party, the democrat party a childish name game developed by Newt to denigrate the party.

Et tu Luntz?
 
Poopspasm
2007-01-22 2:44:39 PM  
TFA, in a nutshell:

Republicans win: Feels good to twist the knife.
Democrats win: Play nice. That's what is good for America.

How does anyone take Republican "thinkers" seriously anymore. The hypocrisy is just so blatant.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2007-01-22 2:45:25 PM  
I don't know why these Democrats can't just pretend they're still the minority party.
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 2:47:16 PM  
nogames2k4: Et tu Luntz?

That whole article was an excercise in hypocrisy so monumental that it has caused a singularity to occur in the fabric of the internet and all subsequent keystrokes are slowly being sucked into its vortex...


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OwenFark
2007-01-22 2:48:01 PM  
subby and author are partisan idiots crying over losing an election based on moronic legislation prior to the campaign.
 
scratched
2007-01-22 2:50:38 PM  
Sweet.
Put me down as an avid worshiper of Aphrodite.
 
scratched
2007-01-22 2:51:21 PM  
scratched: Sweet.
Put me down as an avid worshiper of Aphrodite.

X-p
Wrong thread.

Though, in this context, maybe I should see if Pelosi's busy later.
rawr.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-01-22 2:53:04 PM  
OwenFark: subby and author are partisan idiots crying over losing an election based on moronic legislation prior to the campaign.

Hmmm. What does that make Huffington Post for running it?

Look, the guy is simply telling Democrats that if the election meant the public was sick of business as usual, they'd be smart to avoid returning to business as usual.
 
grytpype-thynne
2007-01-22 2:58:06 PM  
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 3:00:45 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Look, the guy is simply telling Democrats that if the election meant the public was sick of business as usual, they'd be smart to avoid returning to business as usual.

Again: Do as we say, not as we do.

And to miss the hypocrisy of Luntz saying this is really stunning.

Democrats can be civil and still recognize sheer hypocrisy when they see it.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-01-22 3:03:37 PM  
Skleenar: Again: Do as we say, not as we do.

Does that mean you hope the Dems lose the House and Senate again in '08?
 
fishamaphone
2007-01-22 3:04:44 PM  
Wait, wait, wait...

People actualy USE the word "Gravitas?!?!"

/coulda sworn Colbert made it up
 
FlashLV
2007-01-22 3:04:56 PM  
The list goes on. Speaker Pelosi callously suggesting that President Bush is moving quickly to "put troops in harms way" is a short jump away from suggesting that the President is deliberately trying to get our soldiers killed. Likewise, Senator Kennedy saying that U.S. troops are like "police officers in a shooting gallery" smacks of sound-bite flippancy and expediency of the worst kind. We need an intelligent debate, not a sound-bite contest.



From a Democrat? ROFL!!!
 
mrbrightside808
2007-01-22 3:05:57 PM  
Politicians on both sides equally suck. There is overwhelming evidence to support this theory.

/overwhelming evidence I don't give a shiat about.
//because it's obviously true
///Romero out.
\\\Slah-ha-haschieyashiaty in
 
Skleenar
2007-01-22 3:07:29 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: Does that mean you hope the Dems lose the House and Senate again in '08?

You just can't resist missing points, can you?

Oh, well, if that's the best you've got in your forensics bag of tricks, I think I don't have much to worry about.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-01-22 3:08:42 PM  
Skleenar: Oh, well, if that's the best you've got in your forensics bag of tricks, I think I don't have much to worry about.

Me either, given that I don't make my living debating folks. Much less taking a Fark debate seriously.
 
Magorn [TotalFark]
2007-01-22 3:09:56 PM  
The democrats are going to take advice on Linguistics from Frank Freaking Luntz??!! Yeha, right. This is the Guy responsible for every Republican party official in Washington intoning the linguistic abmomination that is the phrase "Democrat Pary" precisely because his focus group research showed people didn't respond to it well and that it irritated the piss out of Democrats?


Fark off Frank. You lost. Got your arse kicked in fact, and its's only going to be worse in '08. It was dicey there for a bit, but in the end Licnoln famous adage finally proved true. Try as you Might You CAN'T fool all the people all the time.

Republicans these days remind me nothing so much as the idiot mouthbreather who used to torment me in grade school in order to make himself look cool. Every day he'd verbally and phyically attack me, but I qucikly learned that if I complained to a teacher he'd make me look like a stoolie whiner or crybaby in front of my peers.

So one day when I'd had eneough, I taught him the lesson that having a peaceful nature does not equal not knowing how to fight. I promptly beat the ever-loving snot out of him at recess in 15 min I don't think he landed one solid punch but I most assuredly did.

So what did this "tough guy" do? Well of course he went running to a teacher to complain about what a violent bully I was ; and how Awful it was that I was always picking on HIM. That's the Modern Republican party in a nutshell. They act all cowboy macho when they are holding all the cards, but turn into first class whiners whenever they get beaten at their own game.
 
Maud Dib
2007-01-22 3:10:44 PM  
FlashLV [TotalFark]

From a Democrat? ROFL!!!

Using "ROFL" usually indicates you have the intellectual capacity of a banana slug. In your case, I think it's an affirmation.
 
Batewoman
2007-01-22 3:13:26 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin Look, the guy is simply telling Democrats that if the election meant the public was sick of business as usual, they'd be smart to avoid returning to business as usual.

The only ones returning to business as usual are the Republicans who are trying really super hard to twist the Dems' words to make it look like we're mocking them. I don't know what part of "It is the families of the troops that pay the price" is a personal affront to Condi.

I'll just put this in the file with other Republican fairy tales between "liberal media" and "minimum wage hike will hurt low-income Americans"
 
FlashLV
2007-01-22 3:16:06 PM  
Maud Dib

Using "ROFL" usually indicates you have the intellectual capacity of a banana slug. In your case, I think it's an affirmation.

Riight, you never use it, stfu and DIAF!!!!0ne !!1eleven
 
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