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(Some Guy)   In a gracious gesture from a potential 2008 rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton sends Obama a good-luck card, which just happens to be stapled to the severed head of a horse   (chieftain.com) divider line
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2007-01-08 10:15:43 AM  
Obamamania

My new favorite word.
 
2007-01-08 10:30:07 AM  
I could've sworn I already posted something snarky in this thread.
 
2007-01-08 10:35:05 AM  
"You don't understand. Obama never gets that nomination. That part is perfect for him. It'll make him a big star. And I'm gonna run him out of the business, and let me tell you why...And let me be even more frank, just to show you that I'm not a hard-hearted man, and it's not all dollars and cents. She was beautiful, she was young, she was innocent. She was the greatest piece of ass I ever had, and I had 'em all over the world. And then Obama comes along with his olive-oil voice and guinea charm. And she runs off. She threw it all away just to make me look ridiculous. And a man in my position can't afford to be made to look ridiculous! Now you get the hell outta here! And if that gumbah tries any rough stuff, you tell him I ain't no band leader! Yeah, I heard that story.
 
2007-01-08 12:46:22 PM  
She knows how to target my demographic alright.
 
2007-01-08 1:02:44 PM  
Cheney/Jeb Bush 2008!

/I'm a masochist, misogynist, racist, and bad speeler
 
2007-01-08 1:03:49 PM  
[image from i67.photobucket.com too old to be available]
 
2007-01-08 1:05:46 PM  
...which just happens to be stapled to the severed head of a horse

i read that as severed head of cheese
 
2007-01-08 1:05:58 PM  
I say let's all vote Constitution Party in 2008.
 
2007-01-08 1:09:14 PM  
strangeguitar

Miller's Crossing, maybe?
 
2007-01-08 1:14:19 PM  
elchip - Denise? I'll vote for that.

Been saying this for years. Hillary will win in 2008.
 
2007-01-08 1:16:47 PM  
This is about to get interesting. Hillary is going to have to unleash her mud slinging campaign sooner or later.

Obama is an interesting guy. His books are okay. Nothing earth shattering.

He has a good cult following so far, but everytime someone says "I really like that guy" I always follow up with one question "name one position he has on an issue..."

It's usually followed by a long pause and an admission that they don't know. And generally its women who think he's "well spoken and presents himself well." Which means he is a good public speaker and is good looking.

Obama has a lot of potential, but runs the risk of going the Howard Dean route. Eventually you need some issues as the pillars of your platform, and better to do it earlier (not too early) than later.

You become everyone's ideal when they project what the want you to stand for. Then when the real sets in, you are bound to disappoint.
 
2007-01-08 1:19:10 PM  
 
2007-01-08 1:22:33 PM  
Hillary will win in 2008.

Not in a million years. The Democrats have the next election sewed up . . . unless they run Hillary.
 
2007-01-08 1:25:06 PM  
[image from dudehisattva.com too old to be available]

"Sen. Hillary Clinton sends Obama a good-luck card, which is stapled to the head of a horse."

So she stapled it to a picture of herself? How touching...
 
2007-01-08 1:26:35 PM  
Democrats (Favorable/Unfavorable/Don't Know Enough About to Have an Opinion)
Clinton 43/38/19
Edwards 34/21/44
Gore 32/46/21
Obama 28/10/61
Kerry 22/48/29
Biden 9/14/77
Richardson 7/8/85
Dodd 4/9/86
Kucinich 4/11/85
Vilsack 4/4/92

Republicans (Favorable/Unfavorable/Don't Know Enough About to Have an Opinion)
Giuliani 41/22/36
McCain 39/20/41
Romney 5/10/85
Hagel 4/5/91
Brownback 3/6/90
Hunter 1/5/94
 
2007-01-08 1:28:28 PM  
elchip

I'd say Constitution Party has about as much a chance as Richardson/Clark.
 
2007-01-08 1:30:01 PM  
In a gracious gesture from a potential 2008 rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton sends Obama a good-luck card, which just happens to be stapled to the severed head of a horse

And in other news, submitters are now ripping off Dave Barry.

That Blasted Year
 
2007-01-08 1:31:36 PM  
He has a good cult following so far, but everytime someone says "I really like that guy" I always follow up with one question "name one position he has on an issue..."

I believe he maintains the position I view as most valuable these days... and that of not being a fat, white, wealthy asshole. Frankly, I'm getting pretty sick of those guys.
 
2007-01-08 1:32:19 PM  
I don't think I could handle a Giuliani presidency. Looks like McCain is the lesser of the two evils there.

Looks like the Dems will once again dilute their voting base with more of the same.
 
2007-01-08 1:33:14 PM  
GrouchyMentat
Check the article.
 
2007-01-08 1:34:22 PM  
GrouchyMentat: And in other news, submitters are now ripping off Dave Barry.

That Blasted Year


...And in further news, fark readers still manage to post without reading articles, which provides other farkers with endless amusement.
 
2007-01-08 1:36:38 PM  
zippythechimp:

Hillary wont even be the nominee in 2008. if she is, she will lose the election.

Obama is the best bet, he will convert a LOT of middle to right republicans.
 
2007-01-08 1:38:14 PM  
Clark/Obama FTW

/Hillary can't win. It's unpossible.
 
2007-01-08 1:41:30 PM  
Is Dave Barry really some guy?
 
2007-01-08 1:44:23 PM  
I say let's all vote Constitution Party in 2008.

Unless the Constitution Party has changed its stance in the last few years, it is the "Constitution" party in name only.
 
2007-01-08 1:45:00 PM  
LIBERTARIAN FTW

/that is all
 
2007-01-08 1:46:28 PM  
ah...nuclear_asshat...you naive, naive person.

You seem to think that United States elections have something to do with issues. They don't. It's a popularity contest. The winner is always the one who looks and acts good.

Which is why Dubya is such a disappointment. Somehow he flew over the public radar.
 
2007-01-08 1:48:13 PM  
I'm pretty far left, but I'd vote for Mitt Romney just to see a Mormon in the White House. That would be a milestone in American religious history.
 
2007-01-08 1:50:19 PM  
Darth Shatner

We already have a former cokehead in office. And somehow the Republic has survived. What's your point?
 
2007-01-08 1:50:20 PM  
Actually saw this Obama character speak for the first time this weekend on one of the Washington weekly shows with some gasbag host (cain't 'member which). Very well spoken and seems pretty intelligent (for a politician that is). That name is a non-starter in this country though I'm afraid.

/how'd he lose the Middle-East accent so quickly?
 
2007-01-08 1:56:35 PM  
Nick Nostril

Obama's charisma is pretty much the long and short of his popularity. The Democratic party is almost entirely populated by these old, flabby, dull men like Kerry and shrill, painful women like Clinton. Nobody cares about policy anymore - people want a charismatic leader. The Republicans learned that lesson when they got Reagan elected - Americans want a good figurehead.

People see Obama speak and they say "HOLY CRAP! a Democrat who's actually likeable". What he has to say is irrelevant - it's just that the Democrats haven't actually had a nice, cool guy to vote for since Bill Clinton.
 
2007-01-08 1:57:28 PM  
"Obama is the best bet, he will convert a LOT of middle to right republicans."

oh really? just because he is a right to lifer? NOT!
 
2007-01-08 2:14:46 PM  
My thinking:

If Clinton or Obama get the nom it's because the DNC thinks "The American People" (tm) are pretty much sycophants for whatever they put out there.

People who think Clinton would win think that the rest of the nation is like New York (or the east coast - I'm talking to you, Zippy).

If Obama actually wins the election it means that any shred of political savvy is gone form the population at large (he'll be elected because he's young, and good looking and speaks well. He'll be a puppet to his handlers.)
 
2007-01-08 2:25:29 PM  
Nick Nostrul
/how'd he lose the Middle-East accent so quickly?

Barack Obama is an African-American from Hawaii. You are a moron.
 
2007-01-08 2:28:05 PM  
Didnt RTFA because the first line I saw was "A year full of Paris" and lost all interest.
 
2007-01-08 2:28:31 PM  
DontMakeMeComeBackThere
he'll be elected because he's young, and good looking and speaks well.

[image from dhm.de too old to be available]

Yes, the horror.

/pic is from Kennedy's Berlin speech, btw
 
2007-01-08 2:32:53 PM  
dyz2913:

I said right to center republicans, and this may shock you, most of those people dont give a crap about the subject of abortion.

Do yourself a favor, dont group all right wingers together as rabid fundamentalists whose only goal is to enforce their religion on everyone. For many right center to somewhat right, religion is totally immaterial to them and their politics.
 
2007-01-08 2:37:30 PM  
Antho, I didn't know JFK was a nazi?
 
2007-01-08 2:42:21 PM  
Flange!
"I am proud to come to this city as the guest of your distinguished Mayor, who has symbolized throughout the world the fighting spirit of West Berlin. And I am proud to visit the Federal Republic with your distinguished Chancellor who for so many years has committed Germany to democracy and freedom and progress, and to come here in the company of my fellow American, General Clay, who has been in this city during its great moments of crisis and will come again if ever needed.

Two thousand years ago the proudest boast was "civis Romanus sum." Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner."

I appreciate my interpreter translating my German!

There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the free world and the Communist world. Let them come to Berlin. There are some who say that communism is the wave of the future. Let them come to Berlin. And there are some who say in Europe and elsewhere we can work with the Communists. Let them come to Berlin. And there are even a few who say that it is true that communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress. Lass' sie nach Berlin kommen. Let them come to Berlin.

Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect, but we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in, to prevent them from leaving us. I want to say, on behalf of my countrymen, who live many miles away on the other side of the Atlantic, who are far distant from you, that they take the greatest pride that they have been able to share with you, even from a distance, the story of the last 18 years. I know of no town, no city, that has been besieged for 18 years that still lives with the vitality and the force, and the hope and the determination of the city of West Berlin. While the wall is the most obvious and vivid demonstration of the failures of the Communist system, for all the world to see, we take no satisfaction in it, for it is, as your Mayor has said, an offense not only against history but an offense against humanity, separating families, dividing husbands and wives and brothers and sisters, and dividing a people who wish to be joined together.

What is true of this city is true of Germany--real, lasting peace in Europe can never be assured as long as one German out of four is denied the elementary right of free men, and that is to make a free choice. In 18 years of peace and good faith, this generation of Germans has earned the right to be free, including the right to unite their families and their nation in lasting peace, with good will to all people. You live in a defended island of freedom, but your life is part of the main. So let me ask you as I close, to lift your eyes beyond the dangers of today, to the hopes of tomorrow, beyond the freedom merely of this city of Berlin, or your country of Germany, to the advance of freedom everywhere, beyond the wall to the day of peace with justice, beyond yourselves and ourselves to all mankind.

Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free. When all are free, then we can look forward to that day when this city will be joined as one and this country and this great Continent of Europe in a peaceful and hopeful globe. When that day finally comes, as it will, the people of West Berlin can take sober satisfaction in the fact that they were in the front lines for almost two decades.

All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner."

Somehow, I don't see an American president giving a speech like that in Baghdad in 15 years.
 
2007-01-08 2:44:59 PM  
Antho, you sure got that right about Baghdad.
 
2007-01-08 2:46:57 PM  
Somacandra


Darth Shatner

We already have a former cokehead in office. And somehow the Republic has survived. What's your point?


my point is the left use bushs past as a legitimate point of attack. Yet when it comes to liberals and their own they give them a pass.

Why do liberals give their leadership a pass on things they attack the right for?

BTW: many of your liberal ilk will tell you that the republic has not survived. They will say we are now an evil empire, hell bent on global domination and aquisition of the worlds oil.
 
2007-01-08 2:57:04 PM  
Paris shuts down completely.

Dave Barry's version of France surrenders?

By the way, Nancy Pelosi sure gets around. I hope that means she won't be hopelessly out of touch. Nah, who am I kidding?
 
2007-01-08 3:06:36 PM  
I still think Hillary loves the Obamamaina.

Obama isn't electable as president, but as Hillary's VP? She's licking her chops over that ticket. She'll ride his popularity and suck the life out him.
 
2007-01-08 3:22:07 PM  
"Ha ha! Just kidding! The cable-TV shows go into days of round-the-clock All-JonBenet-All-The-Time Wallow Mode. Battalions of legal experts are bought in, some of them so excited at the opportunity to revisit the JonBenet tragedy that additional janitors have to be brought into the studios to mop up puddles of expert weewee."

Best part of the article, I LOLed.
 
2007-01-08 3:27:26 PM  
I agree, 2 grams

The Dems are going to run Hillary with Obama as VP.
 
2007-01-08 3:43:33 PM  
I still think Hillary is to polarizing a figure for President. The scenario plays out bad for Democrats because Hillary is one of the few individuals Republicans would come out en mass to vote against while also dividing the Democratic party since she is not well liked all across the board. A divided Democratic plus a polarizing nomination would lead to a Republican win.

Still think the best ticket would be a Edwards/Obama combination even with their lack of experience. At least their skeletons in the closet may be smaller then other candidates.
 
2007-01-08 3:54:39 PM  
GrouchyMentat:

in other news, submitters are now ripping off Dave Barry.

That Blasted Year


In even stil yet more news, if you post a Fark headline quoting another writer, it's not "ripping him off" if you're linking to the article the quote came from.
 
2007-01-08 4:02:51 PM  
Hillary Clinton IS THE ANTI-CHRIST. Just ask Bill
 
2007-01-08 4:11:52 PM  
If the repubs nominate Guliani, I'm definately voting Constituion or Libertarian. I won't vote fopr an anti-gun candidate....
 
2007-01-08 4:47:32 PM  
author was kind of irreverant regarding bode miller in my opinion.
 
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