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(Yahoo)   "Before you swear me in as Missouri's new senator, can we just take a minute to exempt me from campaign finance laws so I can stick this $1.6 million in my pocket?"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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1291 clicks; posted to Politics » on 04 Jan 2007 at 6:34 PM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2007-01-04 2:50:28 PM  
Meh, it's her own money. That's why they call it a loan.
 
2007-01-04 3:01:21 PM  
So she is using existing laws to recoup a loan she made to herself.

EVIL!

/not
 
2007-01-04 3:13:18 PM  
Wow, you can get real clear politics through yahoo now... cool
 
2007-01-04 3:13:31 PM  
actually it sounds like she's been using every loophole she can find right from the beginning. Even if it is legal it doesn't seem very respectable.
 
2007-01-04 3:24:46 PM  
Honestly, though, this headline would be more accurate and less of an outrage if it read "Before you swear me in as Missouri's new Senator, can we just take a minute to exempt me from campaign finance laws so I can stick this $1.6 million in my pocket that I just pulled out of my pocket a minute ago?"
 
2007-01-04 3:26:14 PM  
jimmyhaha: this headline would be more accurate and less of an outrage

The headline is an outrage?
 
2007-01-04 3:48:44 PM  
elchip: Great. If my mother sees this story, I'll get another e-mail yelling at me for voting for her.

i feel your pain. there just wasn't a better option
 
2007-01-04 4:10:24 PM  
MyNameIsNotMervGriffin: The headline is an outrage?

It's attempting to cause outrage, but the facts don't quite click.
 
2007-01-04 4:13:20 PM  
There is no such thing as a loop hole.

If the law allows it, it is legal.
 
2007-01-04 4:49:38 PM  
Irascible: So she is using existing laws to recoup a loan she made to herself.

As I was reading through this article, I realized I don't understand the process (or point) of loaning money to a PAC and then getting it back, or really understand what the hell she actually did, or whether or not what she's being criticized for is good, bad, or nothing.
 
2007-01-04 5:50:31 PM  
Maybe I just don't fully understand campaign finance, but it looks like she's just doing what any shrewd businessperson would do.
 
2007-01-04 6:05:34 PM  
I will say, if we don't restrict the donations this woman is allowed to give herself, she may gain undue influence over herself, possibly even offering herself a quid-pro-quo for her votes. In these troubled times, we cannot afford even the appearance of a Senator whose lets herself make up her own mind for her.
 
2007-01-04 6:29:34 PM  
jimmyhaha - ...she may gain undue influence over herself...

I've seen a couple of videos where Jenna Jameson gains undue influence over herself.
 
2007-01-04 6:45:49 PM  
Well, she is required by law to pay back the loan that she made to her campaign.

Effectively she's asking to be allowed to raise money under her state's campaign finance laws instead of the more strict federal campaign finance laws; being as the campaign to which she paid that loan was a state campaign, she does have a case to do so.
 
2007-01-04 7:09:15 PM  
What is so hard to understand? She loaned 1.6 million of her own money to her campaign and now that she has been elected to an office she want to hang a sign outside her door that says "Come talk to me. I need 1.6 million dollars and you can give it to me legally, however much you want at one time."

\pretty big sign
\\might want to use less text
\\\maybe "Votes for Sale!!"
 
2007-01-04 7:10:53 PM  
tallguywithglasseson:
"As I was reading through this article, I realized I don't understand the process (or point) of loaning money to a PAC and then getting it back, or really understand what the hell she actually did, or whether or not what she's being criticized for is good, bad, or nothing."

In this case, here's basically what's happening. Senator McCaskill loaned her campaign (or prior campaigns, it appears) money. That's fine and dandy and nothing unusual. She wants the campaign to pay it back, which is also fine and dandy. But the campaign doesn't actually have the money, which is also not unusual. Normally, what happens next is that a) Senator McCaskill would forgive the loan, taking a $1.6 MM bath or b) Senator McCaskill would spend a bajillion hours on the phone, at fundraisers, doing mailings, etc. so that her campaign could raise the money $2,100 at a time ($5,000 at a time for PACS).

What Senator McCaskill is asking for is an exemption from federal financing laws so that just a few donors could ignore the normal restriction on giving to campaigns so that it'll be easier for her to raise the money to repay the debt. Two calls to a defense contractor and a neighbor seeking political influence would clear it right up, for example. Most likely, the money would come from a less-regulated group, say the Senate Democratic Campaign Committee or whatever.
 
2007-01-04 7:27:05 PM  
Manfred J. Hattan: In this case, here's basically what's happening.

Ah, as you describe it, I will say what she's doing seems wrong, or at least iffy. Also after re-reading TFA it seems she's not had much luck doing it the slow way, extending some state-imposed limit of 3 years to get it back a couple of times. I don't like politicians in the pockets of big contributors.

That said, if it were me, I'd want my 1.6 mil back some goddamned way.
 
2007-01-04 7:43:47 PM  
"Ah, as you describe it, I will say what she's doing seems wrong, or at least iffy."

I'm going more with "iffy" than "wrong." It stinks to high heaven, but to her credit she is asking for an exemption rather than just doing it and asking for forgiveness. And though I and others described a horrible case of the debt being repaid by contributions from a couple of Richard McGottbucks types, as I said the more likely source will be the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (that's the correct name, to correct my error above) or someplace like that, rather than individuals or so-called "special interests." So she can owe her soul to Senator Chuck Schumer rather than someone you've never heard of. ;)
 
2007-01-04 7:49:35 PM  
"Before you swear me in as Missouri's new senator, can we just take a minute to exempt me from campaign finance laws so I can stick this $1.6 million in my pocket?"

No.
 
2007-01-04 8:20:04 PM  
So she loaned the money to her campaign and she wants her loan back?

Oh cons, please STFU.

It was her money in the first place. Besides, how is this any different from the way most business people keep their business and personal money separate?

If it was donated by others, then yeah I would have a problem with it.
 
2007-01-04 9:50:33 PM  
good one
/the chicken shack rocks
// dc native
///www.doctorwormwood.com rocks also


2007-01-04 06:05:34 PM jimmyhaha


I will say, if we don't restrict the donations this woman is allowed to give herself, she may gain undue influence over herself, possibly even offering herself a quid-pro-quo for her votes. In these troubled times, we cannot afford even the appearance of a Senator whose lets herself make up her own mind for her.
 
2007-01-04 9:56:13 PM  
looks to me like she paid to play the game and doesn't like the price. She loaned her campaign money to get her a job, got the job.. now she wants the money back? thats money spent.. isn't it?? fark her this is dirty..

If a client pays me to build them a site they can't just decide they want the money back.. shes basically trying to provide herself a cushion. thats the nature of the law.. if you want to dump sick amounts into your campaign instead of having enough real support from the people to fund you.. then you pay the price, you don't get that money back... you can't bend laws to let people just give it back to you.. fark her and fark the fact that shes legslating for her personal gain and comfort.. she need to drop it .. she lost the money .. she spent it on the office she's sitting in.
 
2007-01-04 9:57:18 PM  
EbolaNYC: So she loaned the money to her campaign and she wants her loan back?

Oh cons, please STFU.

It was her money in the first place.


Yes, it was her money in the first place, but the $1.6 million she wants to collect now is not going to come from her. It is going to come from donors without contribution limits if she gets her way. What are these donors going to expect in return?
 
2007-01-04 10:03:19 PM  
Uhh... even with Farkers explaining it (thanks by the way) this still seems completely illogical and idiotic, even for politics. How do you loan yourself money to pay for your own campaign?
You want to be elected and will use your own money to do it, but then you want to be paid back by the people that helped you get elected?
 
2007-01-04 10:09:29 PM  
She shouldn't be exempt from it. But at least she asked permission!
 
2007-01-04 10:27:47 PM  
tallguywithglasseson
Ah, as you describe it, I will say what she's doing seems wrong, or at least iffy.

Well, there is one part that's left out of that analysis.

Her argument is that because the money was collected for a campaign for state office (governor), Missouri law (and not federal law) should be used to determine what kinds of contributions she can raise.

If she hadn't won federal office, it wouldn't even be an issue, she'd be obligated only to follow state law. However, because she did win a seat in the US Senate, she needs permission to conduct the fundraisers under Missouri law instead of federal law.
 
2007-01-04 10:46:20 PM  
tallguywithglasseson That said, if it were me, I'd want my 1.6 mil back some goddamned way.

Maybe she shouldn't have risked 1.6 mil on an uninsured loan to win a job that pays $160k a year.
 
2007-01-04 10:48:49 PM  
EbolaNYC

So she loaned the money to her campaign and she wants her loan back?

Oh cons, please STFU.

It was her money in the first place. Besides, how is this any different from the way most business people keep their business and personal money separate?

If it was donated by others, then yeah I would have a problem with it.


Cons?? I'm a liberal and I think Bush should be in jail for war crimes. This is pretty much bullshiat. She wants her loan to get around Missouri's campaign contribution law.

All this "it was her money in the first place" is ridiculous. The only reason that this is even an issue is because a new law went into effect after her campaign was over. Because of the new law, perhaps she has a point. But clearly this is not at all in the spirit of the previous Missouri law limiting campaign contributions, and would rightly be deemed illegal. If the new law did not go into effect she would have absolutely no legal basis to do this.
 
2007-01-04 11:47:11 PM  
Sum Dum Gai: If she hadn't won federal office, it wouldn't even be an issue, she'd be obligated only to follow state law. However, because she did win a seat in the US Senate, she needs permission to conduct the fundraisers under Missouri law instead of federal law.

As rush22 intimates, if she hadn't sought federal office she would have been obliged to forgive the loan (or arrange for it to be paid back) before the Missouri law changed in her favor. She took advantage of the federal and Missouri campaign laws to move the debt to the federal campaign fund in the first place. One obvious reason for her to have done so is that federal campaigns (particularly for the Senate) attract more national attention and more national money. It is disingenuous to claim that now that she has made the transfer to the higher-profile campaign fund it's no big deal to rely on the state fund-raising laws to pay her back. She played loophole lotto. She lost. That doesn't make her a bad person, nor does asking the FEC for the exemption she seeks, but I would be surprised and disappointed if the FEC granted her request.
 
2007-01-05 12:38:36 AM  
Manfred J. Hattan
She took advantage of the federal and Missouri campaign laws to move the debt to the federal campaign fund in the first place.

Actually she didn't move it to the federal fund; she transferred the loan between her state fund for governor and her State Auditor committee. The loan has remained at the state level the entire time.
 
2007-01-05 8:06:17 AM  
ChairmanKaga

There is no such thing as a loop hole.

If the law allows it, it is legal.


Yes, a legal loophole. Its a term that can be applied to something that is currently legalled allowed, but is against the spirit or intention of what the law was designed to do. When you sound like a politician trying to spin your way out of whatever wrongdoing you have done by redefining words (I did not have sex with that woman...), isn't it a sign your argument is pretty weak?

(No comment on the current case in the article, I have no idea of the laws involved, and whether it is a loophole).
 
2007-01-05 9:09:31 AM  
Actually she didn't move it to the federal fund; she transferred the loan between her state fund for governor and her State Auditor committee. The loan has remained at the state level the entire time.

I apologize -- I was startlingly unclear. When someone runs for federal office, all their campaign committees become federal ones. So you're right, she didn't "move" the debt to the federal campaign, it "got moved" there all by itself. Thanks for the correction.

Now, a smart farker may now be asking him or herself, "Self, why is there an exemption to apply for in the first place?" The intent is not to disadvantage federal officeholders who are running for state office. If Rep. Dorkwad is running for Governor against State Attorney General Asshat, he doesn't want to be in a position where he has to obey federal rules but the Atty. Gen. can raise money under more lenient state rules (if, of course, the rules are more lenient). Now Sen. McCaskill's case is pretty clearly not a parallel to that, but the law works by its words, not it's intent. If she thinks she's found a loophole, she is certainly entitled to try to take advantage of it. But again, I'd be surprised and disappointed if the FEC found that that loophole exists and I would want the law changed to eliminate it.
 
2007-01-05 9:13:40 AM  
OYGWTF!!11!1 A POLITICIAN WERKING WITHIN TEH R00LZ INSTEAD OF CIRCUMVENTING THEM!!11!!1
 
2007-01-05 11:24:09 AM  
Yeah I don't like this. The loan isn't the issue, it's the idea that she'll be on the hook for $1.6MM worth of favors to just a few people. The reason campaign finance reform was put in place was to avoid exactly this. Even if it's legal, it bugs me as a Missouri voter.

/voted for Claire
 
2007-01-05 1:22:56 PM  
zolividor:

OYGWTF!!11!1 A POLITICIAN WERKING WITHIN TEH R00LZ INSTEAD OF CIRCUMVENTING THEM!!11!!1

ah! another farker with a firm grasp of the issue!

um...she is trying to circumvent the rule that sets campaign contribution limits and to allow herself to receive $1.6 million to her own pocket by selling her votes on the senate floor to one or two wealthy buyers.

how do you see this as working withing the rules. she trying to exempt herself from the rules and to sell her seat in the senate.
 
2007-01-05 1:32:17 PM  
nerfball: $1.6 million to her own pocket by selling her votes on the senate floor to one or two wealthy buyers.

Chances are, this will be funded by the Democratic Senatorial Committee. It's her money, that she LOANED to the campaign. Net profit? Nothing.

Another farker with a weak grasp of literacy.
 
2007-01-05 3:11:23 PM  
jimmyhaha

The fact that it's her money is besides the point. Basically theres an unfunded liability to her campaign of $1.6MM that she had to cover. Now she wants to be able to go to, say, one person, and have him or her pay that off so she can get her money back. Is she profiting? No, she's not. Is she going to owe that person (or few people) big time? Yes, she is. That is why we passed campaign finance laws, not to prevent profiting politicians, but to prevent undue influence. I'll leave it to the couts to decide the legality of what she wants, but this is supposed to be the "most ethical Congress ever". Make her play by federal rules and get the money $5k at a time.
 
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