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(Some Guy)   School, threatened with lawsuit, agrees to distribute church flyers through its "backpack mail" notification system. Local Christians overjoyed. Until the pagans start using it too. Now, not so much   (blog.au.org) divider line
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2006-12-07 11:48:07 AM  
Jeff Riddle, pastor of Jefferson Park Baptist Church in Charlottesville, wrote on his personal blog, "If the school allows the Baptist or Methodist church to send home a note to its students about Vacation Bible School, it also has to allow the Unitarian Church to send home a note about its 'Pagan ritual to celebrate Yule'....This kind of note adds weight to the argument that it is high time for Christians to leave public schools for reasonable alternatives (homeschooling and private Christian schools)."

Damn right.
 
2006-12-07 11:48:53 AM  
Ooops... anyone seen my </I>? I seemed to have misplaced it.

/retraces his steps...
 
2006-12-07 11:57:23 AM  
Isn't that what you wanted all along - freedom of religion? That freedom means all religions - even ones you don't happen to like.

That should be enough to end most disputes of this nature.
 
2006-12-07 12:05:39 PM  
This kind of note adds weight to the argument that it is high time for Christians to leave public schools for reasonable alternatives (homeschooling and private Christian schools)."

I whole heartedly agree. I don't want my tax dollars supporting a bunch of wierdos like you. Go off and teach your kids to be ignorant and superstitious just like you.
 
2006-12-07 12:05:44 PM  
Stories like this make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
 
2006-12-07 12:06:56 PM  
The Friday folders have never been used for any thing other than school work and school board and/or County sanctioned/sponsored programs.

Horseshiat.
 
2006-12-07 12:15:52 PM  
Don't you love it when a "loophole" becomes a "noose"?

/sauce
//goose
/sauce
///gander
 
2006-12-07 12:22:43 PM  
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"Christianity is under attack!'
 
2006-12-07 12:23:20 PM  
Yeah, cuz its worked so well in other countries when the ultra-religious attend diffewrent madrassas than the rest.... Oh, wait....
(Church going anti-fundies unite!!)
 
2006-12-07 12:29:38 PM  
If you don't like the public school and it's rules take the kids out and pay for private schooling. I have a very big problem with home schooling.

We have a very religious family that lives next door. The local Christian Academy wasn't strict enough for them. So they decided to home school. This includes her letting their 8 year old wander about the neighborhood all hours of the day. Leaving her 15 year old daughter "in charge", while the boy runs about with his friends participating in sports.

They are pastors of a local Baptist church and he has a consulting business. She's always running some committee and their 8 year old can even friggen read. Not that she needs it because she's not allowed to go to college because girls don't need an education. This has passed for home schooling for the 2 years we've lived here.

They send her over about 3 times a week to invite us to church. "Don't worry the kids can go with us, you guys don't even have to get up."
 
2006-12-07 12:45:26 PM  
Allow me to say "ha farking ha, you bigoted idiots."
 
2006-12-07 12:48:08 PM  
as a Pagan Christian (yeah, we're here), I can only say "WOOOOOOT!"

/actually I can say more
//but it's not needed.
 
2006-12-07 12:48:27 PM  
What's good for the goose and all that....
 
2006-12-07 12:49:25 PM  
REAL SHAMAN: as a Pagan Christian (yeah, we're here), I can only say "WOOOOOOT!"

How's that work, out of curiousity?

/Jesus is the son o' HaShem, and HaShem's got some other homies hanging out with him?
//Sorta like Gnosticism but a bit broader-spectrum?
 
2006-12-07 12:58:06 PM  
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"Its called Wicca, and its empowering!"
 
2006-12-07 1:00:35 PM  
muninsfire

How's that work, out of curiousity?

Depends. Some see Jesus as the Western avatar/revelation of Osiris or Hermes. Some see it in the more Gnostic way you describe. A lot of Pagan Christians are involved with early-style Rosicrucianism and other forms of Christian occulism, which is its own special blend as well.
 
2006-12-07 1:06:12 PM  
Seems like they didn't think their cunning plan all the way through now, did they?
 
2006-12-07 1:10:27 PM  
I can't wait for one of the local mosques to use this handy little service. That will send the fundie through the roof.
 
2006-12-07 1:22:34 PM  
bobbooty

I whole heartedly agree. I don't want my tax dollars supporting a bunch of wierdos like you. Go off and teach your kids to be ignorant and superstitious just like you.

I might agree, except these people have a nasty habit of emerging from their cocoons to *vote*, thus making sure the rest of us have to deal with their screwy politicians and laws. They get to stay home and be "protected" from the outside world, while the rest of us with enough ethical strength and fortitude to engage with others outside our own belief system have to essentially subsidize their wider politics. Its a virulent form of world-hating, essentially.

As an American, I think if you want to opt your children out of public education and wider society, that's your right, but perhaps then you shouldn't get to vote either. If a person chooses to refuse to engage honestly with the wider world, then why should they be able to influence public policy at all?
 
2006-12-07 1:30:42 PM  
Somacandra: If a person chooses to refuse to engage honestly with the wider world, then why should they be able to influence public policy at all?

/Advocati Diaboli

Why is it that you insist I should expose my children to sinful, immoral behaviour? I'm trying to raise my child to be a good, moral person, to avoid things that will harm their immortal soul--and you want me to deliberately bring them towards damnation?

Why don't you go and sell your daughters in prostitution, then? It happens in your "real world"--you need to recognize it, after all. It will give her valuable life-experience on how the 'real world' treats women.

Perhaps you should let your sons into a gay bathhouse to be sodomized by AIDS carriers. After all, it's in the "real world"--why should you shelter them from it?

Or maybe just hire a pedophile sex offender to babysit your children. After all, that's how reality is, isn't it?

I choose to keep my children safe, and try to work for a *better* society than this. Why shouldn't I try to make this country a safer place to raise children?

/End Advocati Diaboli

/There's always another point of view.
 
2006-12-07 1:46:59 PM  
Gwendolyn: They are pastors of a local Baptist church and he has a consulting business. She's always running some committee and their 8 year old can even friggen read. Not that she needs it because she's not allowed to go to college because girls don't need an education. This has passed for home schooling for the 2 years we've lived here.

You should offer to babysit.
 
2006-12-07 2:01:18 PM  
Some local Pagans who attend Thomas Jefferson Memorial Church, a Unitarian-Universalist congregation in Charlottesville..


Just what in hell do those U-U loonies believe in?
 
2006-12-07 2:02:47 PM  
Descartes: Just what in hell do those U-U loonies believe in?

Openmindedness, apparently, and accepting others.

Not a bad philosophy.
 
2006-12-07 2:03:16 PM  
Descartes
Just what in hell do those U-U loonies believe in?

EVERYTHING.
 
2006-12-07 2:03:21 PM  
All or nothing. Take your pick.
 
2006-12-07 2:03:23 PM  
Can we get some Subgenii to send home flyers for X-Day? That would also be fun.
 
2006-12-07 2:04:57 PM  
The Icelander: EVERYTHING.

Everything? Or nothing?
Because I get confused sometimes...
 
2006-12-07 2:05:38 PM  
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2006-12-07 2:05:56 PM  
IM IN UR BACKPACZ, SOLICITIN UR KIDZ!
 
2006-12-07 2:06:23 PM  
And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling pagans.
 
2006-12-07 2:06:30 PM  
 
2006-12-07 2:07:29 PM  
Descartes: Everything? Or nothing?

They are teh un-nihilist!
 
2006-12-07 2:08:25 PM  
How DARE you distribute this Satanic filth to our children?!
We're only following the precedent of the method's originator.
Who? Some Godless communist liberal heathen?!
No, Jerry Falwell.

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2006-12-07 2:08:33 PM  
"Have you ever wondered what 'Holidays' refers to?" reads the flier. "Everyone knows about Christmas - but what else are people celebrating in December? Why do we celebrate the way we do?"

The flier invites people to "an educational program for children of all ages (and their adults), where we'll explore the traditions of December and their origins, followed by a Pagan ritual to celebrate Yule."

It concludes, "Come for one or both parts and bring your curiosity."


The horror!
 
2006-12-07 2:08:39 PM  
Muninsfire

I believe "advocatus" would be more correct, unless you are more than one person.
 
2006-12-07 2:08:59 PM  
When do the FSM flyers go out?
 
2006-12-07 2:10:15 PM  
JohnBigBootay: I believe "advocatus" would be more correct, unless you are more than one person.

Genitive case--of the advocate of the devil. As in, this is the devil's advocate's position.
 
2006-12-07 2:10:36 PM  
REAL SHAMAN
as a Pagan Christian (yeah, we're here), I can only say "WOOOOOOT!"

hey! good to know there's more of us out there. solidarity. ima christian witch as well and thought this article was hilarious and wonderful.

muninsfire
for me (neo-paganism tends to have as many variants as participants) the main thing i mean by "christian witch" is that i accept the pagan tenet that divinity is immanent, which is to say everywhere (within us, in every breath, in the natural world and the concrete sidewalks). i also accept the christian tenet that jesus was both god and man and a perfect teacher.

i mean, there's obviously more to it than that as i live it, but those are the main reasons i identify as both.

/good on those fiesty unitarians
 
2006-12-07 2:11:16 PM  
As a U-U loony, I think we should teach all religions in school, not just Christianity. Fair is fair.
 
2006-12-07 2:11:16 PM  
PAG0W3NED!
 
2006-12-07 2:11:43 PM  
meddlar: i mean, there's obviously more to it than that as i live it, but those are the main reasons i identify as both.

Must really piss off the fundies, eh?
 
2006-12-07 2:12:35 PM  
This just makes my week. Thank goodness that local pastor knows what's up too...I'm inspired.

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2006-12-07 2:12:40 PM  
From TFA
She then fumed that a "pagan ritual" is "an educational experience my children don't need."

Her child clearly needs every educational experience possible, as does she.
 
2006-12-07 2:12:51 PM  
This thread sounds a bit DARKSIDED!!!!
 
2006-12-07 2:12:52 PM  
Well, well, well!.... check out the big Latin brain on muninsfire!
 
2006-12-07 2:13:53 PM  
As a christian who is disgusted with Falwell-types, I am greatly amused.

I have low tolerance for stupidity, especially when that stupidity makes christianity look bad (which happens often these days, because of the south)

Recent conversation I had:

Stupid friend: "Spelling it "Xmas" is an attack by athiests to remove Christ from the word Christmas!"

Me: "Actually, the X is Xmas represents the greek letter Chi, which was used to symbolize Christ, and "Xmas" was used as shorthand in catholic manscripts for a thousand years"

Stupid friend: "NO! Its been spelled 'CHRISTMAS' for 5,000 years!"

There are plenty of intelligent Christians. They just arent as loud and obnoxious as the ones that get infected with right-wing nutjob-style whackiness.

Im glad that the pagans were able to teach a lesson to these types.
 
2006-12-07 2:13:56 PM  
Gwendolyn

So you don't have a problem with home schooling, you have a problem with terrible parents.

Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on those...
 
2006-12-07 2:14:03 PM  
*giggle* Brilliant.

As for UU, they're still technically Christian (although I suspect other sects don't think so), because they do believe that there is a God (capital G). They also believe that if you think God is also a stone, good on yer!
Honestly, a very cool sect, but tends to be less vocal, because more intense religions create more intense (loud) followers.

/UU = Unitarian Universalist, not Unseen University. Those guys are crazies
 
2006-12-07 2:14:53 PM  
So Joe and Jane insist that they be able to expose Mandayam and Anusha's children to their ideas. Now Mandayam and Anusha can expose Joe and Jane's children to their ideas. It's called a number of things - just deserts, walking a mile in someone else's shoes, and most appropriate of all - fair. People who can't deal with the fact that rules apply equally to everyone need to stop being such shortminded children.

// Couldn't think of Pagan names so I went with Hindi
// I think you get the point
// All for teaching multiple religions in public school.
 
2006-12-07 2:15:01 PM  
some_wild-eyed_8-foot_tall_maniac: Well, well, well!.... check out the big Latin brain on muninsfire!

It's one of those things that stuck in my head.

/Unfortunately, another one of them is differential calculus.
//No matter how hard I *try* to forget that one, I still end up randomly thinking "hey, if I found the derivative of that..."
///I probably need to be fitted with one of those jackets with the really long sleeves, huh?
 
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