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(ABC News)   With his usual talent for understatement, Al Gore says the war in Iraq is the "worst strategic mistake in the history of the United States." Dred Scott, Japanese internment camps, Bay of Pigs and Vietnam unavailable for comment   (blogs.abcnews.com) divider line
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carpbrain
2006-12-06 5:00:47 PM  
You go, Al!

I'm still a big Gore fan, but I recently saw a poll that said his unfavorability numbers are worse than Hillary's. Whodathunkit.
 
absolutben
2006-12-06 5:02:23 PM  
What a moran!
 
Diogenes [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-12-06 5:03:53 PM  
So not only do we post repeats, but we repeat their snarky headlines almost verbatim?

You're doin' a heckuva job, subie.
 
AgonistAlex
2006-12-06 5:07:58 PM  
umm, hey. i think iraqs a bigger mistake than all listed.

this has the potential to spill over into a massive muslim uprising and world war.
 
From Philly to Boston [TotalFark]
2006-12-06 5:08:14 PM  
Don't foget the USS Maine, genocide of Indians, slavery, Iran-Contra, and the BackStreet Boys.

How soon we forget.
 
El Dudereno
2006-12-06 5:09:41 PM  
Don't forget trying to take Canada in the war of 1812 and most of the New Deal programs that have become permanent.
 
KaponoFor3
2006-12-06 5:09:56 PM  
Yeah I dunno if Iraq would even be in the top 10.
 
kennedy311
2006-12-06 5:11:04 PM  
Nice work on retooling your headline before submitting the same story, submitter.
 
robsul82
2006-12-06 5:11:14 PM  
I'd say slavery was worse, but looking at the possible implications for the future - as AgonistAlex did - sure, I'd say Iraq is worse.
 
robsul82
2006-12-06 5:11:57 PM  
...worse than those things listed by Totally Unbiased Submitter.

/sorry, should complete my sentences
 
CHAZZZ
2006-12-06 5:12:42 PM  
Electing W twice would probaly make the top ten.
 
AgonistAlex
2006-12-06 5:12:44 PM  
okay philly, THOSE id put up above iraq. (well, not iran contra.)

el dude, we almost took canada before the bastards burnt the white house. and the new deal programs? thats a good thing.
 
PacManDreaming
2006-12-06 5:13:11 PM  
El Dudereno: Don't forget trying to take Canada in the war of 1812

Fortunately, the US "won" and Britain was forced to keep it.
 
martissimo
2006-12-06 5:14:28 PM  
Hmm, i'm pretty sure it has the Bay of Pigs topped by now, what did we lose there, couple hundred KIA tops i'd wager
 
AgonistAlex
2006-12-06 5:18:10 PM  
2006-12-06 05:13:11 PM PacManDreaming


El Dudereno: Don't forget trying to take Canada in the war of 1812

Fortunately, the US "won" and Britain was forced to keep it.


oh gawd, im dying here. thank you. i needed that belly laugh.
 
Pootums
2006-12-06 5:18:59 PM  
Video shows him saying 'Worst STRATEGIC mistake'. That's a Little different.
I Agree w/ Gore.

Opened a huge can of worms and inciting terrorists worldwide.

They used to be a fact of life, but now it's all about them and their agenda. Every facet of life is infected.

Thanks Bush. Should have left that nest of vipers alone and just stayed the course with Bin Laden in Afganistan.
 
kronicfeld
2006-12-06 5:27:43 PM  
"Ladies and gentlemen, I have been to Vietnam, Iraq, and Grenada, and I can say without hyperbole that this is ten million times worse than all of them put together."
 
El Dudereno
2006-12-06 5:28:02 PM  
Trying to quell the Philipino insurection that came about after we "liberated" the Philipines from Spain in the Spanish-American war. That one cost us about 7,000 soldiers initially and who knows how many more later during WW2.
 
jarrett
2006-12-06 5:33:50 PM  
Well, at least the debate has moved from "Was the invasion a mistake?" to "Was the invasion the worst strategic decision in United States history?"

That's progress.
 
mbrother
2006-12-06 5:54:03 PM  
Hmmm, Bush couldn't even think of an answer about his own worst mistake of his presidency. He should have asked Gore.
 
upright [TotalFark]
2006-12-06 6:06:07 PM  
I fixed the quote, but yeah, headline still weird.
 
El Dudereno
2006-12-06 6:10:23 PM  
AWWWWWWWW CRAP!
We're going green!
 
Hyaku-Shiki
2006-12-06 6:11:21 PM  
kronicfeld: "Ladies and gentlemen, I have been to Vietnam, Iraq, and Grenada, and I can say without hyperbole that this is ten million times worse than all of them put together."

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Wraithbane
2006-12-06 6:22:40 PM  
Well, at least we don't have to claim Celine Dion....
 
mediaho
2006-12-06 6:48:16 PM  
B-b-but Dred Scott!
 
TheOther
2006-12-06 7:02:28 PM  
carpbrain: I'm still a big Gore fan, but I recently saw a poll that said his unfavorability numbers are worse than Hillary's. Whodathunkit.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory can sour people on you...even the people that voted for you...maybe, especially the people that voted for you.
 
7of7
2006-12-06 7:06:48 PM  
carpbrain: I'm still a big Gore fan, but I recently saw a poll that said his unfavorability numbers are worse than Hillary's. Whodathunkit.

That's no surprise given the amount of money that has been spent trying to make the public hate him. Then there's the "I have an inferiority complex" crowd that hates him for thinking intelligence is a worthy pursuit.
 
smeegle
2006-12-06 7:11:19 PM  
Regardless of where it sits on the scale of collosal fark ups,, the Iraq debacle ranks right up there as a major cluster.
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2006-12-06 7:14:21 PM  
No, Al...you still don't get to be President.
 
m0llusk
2006-12-06 7:15:28 PM  
Compared to the Civil War all the shiat we dish out on others is like a series of love taps.
 
ekdikeo4
2006-12-06 8:05:39 PM  
I think as far as strategy goes, yes.

Especially considering that we were the agressors.
 
Riche [TotalFark]
2006-12-06 8:07:36 PM  
[image from 68.97.54.115 too old to be available]

Dred Scott: A stupid, racist decision by the supreme court in the 19th Century. Not what I would call a "Strategic Mistake."

Japanese internment camps: Another stupid, racist decision. Yet VASTLY more people have been killed in Iraq. VASTLY more damage has been done to our national image.

Vietnam: Submitter might have a good point there, but this mess is far from over. If Saudi Arabia or Syria or Iran gets involved then all bets are off. We'll just have to see.

======================

As far as the "Most Terrible" or "Immoral" things the United States has done, I have to admit the invasion of Iraq just isn't in the top three. Those would be:

1. The Native American Genocide
2. Slavery
3. Land grab from Mexico.

Those three things are MASSIVE crimes, but are they "mistakes?" Well...
 
Loose_Cannon
2006-12-06 8:07:54 PM  
CHAZZZ: Electing W twice would probaly make the top ten.


Yeah, the genocide of millions of Indians, 300 years of slavery, 80 years of Jim Crow, internment of 110,000 Japanese-Americans, and electing 'W' twice.

Leave it to the hysterical left to put historic tragedy in perspective and this is what you get.
 
Loose_Cannon
2006-12-06 8:12:28 PM  
7of7: That's no surprise given the amount of money that has been spent trying to make the public hate him.

It's still far less the millions from Soros and his buddies to turn the American public against Bush.

What goes around...
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-12-06 8:14:59 PM  
Loose_Cannon: 300 years of slavery

Eh?

Coulda swore the Constitution was ratified about 230 years ago.
 
heap
2006-12-06 8:23:58 PM  
i think you all are overlooking the big picture here.

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this is still on the air.
 
Loose_Cannon
2006-12-06 8:37:36 PM  
The CraneMeister: Coulda swore the Constitution was ratified about 230 years ago.

And? Did slavery only begin when the US Constitution was ratified?

OH, right, the arguement that government caused these atrocities, not individuals. And since there was no American government prior to the US Constitution, then, well, it wasn't a sin?

Poor Thomas Jefferson. One day he's a humble Virgina tobacco farmer, the next day he's the founder of a slave-holding nation.

It's really, really unfortunate how truly ignorant our youth have become, about their past and about our shared history.
 
Philbb
2006-12-06 9:16:52 PM  
Loose_Cannon: Did slavery only begin when the US Constitution was ratified?

Of course not but the criteria of this thread is "in the history of the United States". And while you can argue that the "history of the US" began before the ratification of the the constitution it's hard to claim it began much before the declaration of independence.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-12-06 9:52:51 PM  
Loose_Cannon:

And since there was no American government prior to the US Constitution, then, well, it wasn't a sin?

Uh, no. But since there was no US government before then, Gore's statement about the "history of the United States" wouldn't apply.
 
chard
2006-12-06 10:00:27 PM  
apparently, submitter does't know the definition of "stategy"

strat·e·gy [strat-i-jee]

1. the science or art of combining and employing the means of war in planning and directing large military movements and operations.

Yep, this statement really applies to Dred Scott and Japanese internment camps.

Oh, and he was right.
 
oldebayer
2006-12-06 10:04:20 PM  
martissimo

i'm pretty sure it has the Bay of Pigs topped by now

If you had done any research and watched such sterling documentaries as Oliver Stone's "JFK," you would know that this strategic blunder cost Kennedy his life.

Dred Scott was, of course, a mere consequence of the "Three-fifths" compromise written into the Constitution, more tactical than strategic. He is, however, the only one who could be genuinely said to be "unavailable for comment."
 
space_cadet_28
2006-12-06 10:04:42 PM  
civil war?
 
PeeWeePangolin
2006-12-06 10:08:48 PM  
Let me put this into some type of historical context. We didn't know better back then, now with the current information age, mistakes that were supposed to be learned from history, and supposedly a more enlightened voter base this is indeed the worst strategic mistake in the history of the United States. Attacking Iraq after 9/11 would be like attacking China after Pearl Harbor was bombed during WWII.


/flame on
 
ianderthal
2006-12-06 10:09:16 PM  
Isn't the Dred Scott decision technically not a strategic mistake? I mean, unlike the other three up there, it doesn't really have anything to do with anything militarily. The Civil War doesn't even apply to it, since the decision wasn't made with a Civil War in mind as any of the possible outcomes, where as all the other ones at least have war-type bases for them...
 
mediaho
2006-12-06 10:11:47 PM  
Jesus! We're arguing over which of our national abominations have been more egregious, and it's still a farking competion somehow. What. the. fark?

It's ALL shameful. Then and now. fark!
 
21-7-b
2006-12-06 10:13:36 PM  
why was interning japanese people a 'strategic mistake?'
 
21-7-b
2006-12-06 10:18:47 PM  
strategy, especially as in something like 'strategic mistake,' can have a non-military meaning

"A strategy is a long term plan of action designed to achieve a particular goal."

still not sure why japanese internment qualifies
 
Dave The Slushy
2006-12-06 10:20:47 PM  
Har har! Submitty is an ass for suggesting this isn't the biggest strategic fark up in America's history! Then double farks himself for listing a bunch of non-strategic decisions!
 
clifton
2006-12-06 10:23:52 PM  
Loose_Cannon: It's still far less the millions from Soros and his buddies to turn the American public against Bush.

Yes, it was Soros. Every bit of it.

Then again, you have stated on here that Clinton never received any death threats, so I don't know.
 
RosevilleDan [TotalFark]
2006-12-06 10:30:02 PM  
Loose_Cannon:It's still far less the millions from Soros and his buddies to turn the American public against Bush.

Oh, BS.

I can list dozens of reasons why George W Bush has been an utter failure as President. And it is all based on things that I have seen and heard from HIM, not George Soros.

The best the right can come up with to whine about Gore is that his former boss got a blow-job, and that he said he invented the internet (even though he never said that).
 
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