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2006-11-26 7:32:47 PM  
What a farking snotbag.
2006-11-26 8:11:21 PM  
This guy is just all over the crazy spectrum.

I can't tell if he hates Krauts, Ivan, Ragheads, Heebs, or Honkeys.

The only thing that I can tell is that he hates whoever it is that disagrees with him. Depending on which paragraph you read, pretty much anyone could be seen as disagreeing with him.
2006-11-26 8:51:03 PM  
He obviously didn't understand Munich either. Maybe he needs an adult to explain it to him.
2006-11-26 9:13:54 PM  
that person sucks at life.
2006-11-26 9:36:16 PM  
as if black power actually went anywhere
2006-11-26 9:53:29 PM  
Well, who can resist a word with ASS in it twice?
2006-11-26 9:59:07 PM  
what a brilliant screed. i am really having a hard time understanding why the neoconservative movement has been ripped to shreds by the american people. it is such a vibrant, reality based, non-asshole filled intellectual movement. what's the problem america?
2006-11-26 10:29:32 PM  
Well, if you can get past some of the crazy, I like the cut of this guy's jib. His plan is to assassinate everything. Not the best plan, but a plan none the less. At least he's trying new things. My mom says that trying new things is important.
2006-11-26 10:42:32 PM  
When you guys make it through puberty, you'll understand why the author was right on the money...
2006-11-26 10:49:41 PM  
from TFA:
There's a reason Americans are generally skeptical of international institutions and their laws, rules, and regulations. They generally stink.

What a convincing argument.

The bad guys are out to win, and will put out all the stops.

Man, I wish I could have this simplistic a worldview. That would make things so much easier.

Because, you know, waterboarding is mean. Much meaner than poisoning someone or shooting up his car.

Now I may be(read: most certainly am) crazy, but that sounds like moral relativism. I thought that was the domain of the leftists, and in fact so does the author:
[Leftists have] imbibed deeply from the cup of multiculturalism, and anti-colonialist resistance, and moral relativism.
(And if you want to see how farking crazy this guy is, click the link for an interview)
2006-11-26 10:59:21 PM  
The bad guys are out to win, and will put out all the stops.

Well, this sums it all up... We're all 'kinder and gentler' since Bush 41, and all to happy to take it up the ass.
2006-11-26 11:06:16 PM  
Let's pick out the most tardiculous statements in that piece.

Saddam Hussein got the death penalty in a two-year-and-change trial that the organization Human Rights Watch has deemed "fundamentally unfair" and "unsound." I suppose we may have the wrong Iraqi dictator; perhaps it was some other Saddam Hussein who slaughtered all those people.

So it should be pretty damn easy to prove that he "slaughtered all those people" and send him on to the gallows. Which, y'know, is just what happened.

Here's an interesting fact about history: Even Nazi war criminals got trials. And they were even bigger monsters than Tinpot Hussein.

And the last time a great butcher faced an international tribunal, Slobodan Milosevic, he died in the midst of a trial that was stretching into its fifth year.

So he died in disgrace after a five year trial. Sorry you couldn't get your blind revenge rocks off sooner.

In other news, the Germans wanted to put Donald Rumsfeld on trial for war crimes. Because if there's any country that has the moral authority to judge American actions in war, it's Germany.

Because the Nazis are still in power there. The bad shiat that pretty much led up to the shiatstorm that is the middle east right now all happened after WWII, and a fair amount of it is outright our fault.

And if they say "international tribunal," they might as well come out and say, "we're okay with dying."

Wow, this guy's as big a pussy as ericjohnson0!

Because, you know, waterboarding is mean. Much meaner than poisoning someone or shooting up his car.

No, waterboarding is not mean. Waterboarding is torture. It is considered so in the eyes of every other "civilized" nation, and was considered torture by us until the "war on terror." We considered it torture when the Khmer Rouge did it. We charged Japanese soldiers with torture when they did it.

That said, while it's not the KGB anymore, but I can believe that Putin's thugs killed people. For politically motivated reasons, it's absolutely reprehensible.
2006-11-26 11:07:16 PM  
SunOfSam: Man, I wish I could have this simplistic a worldview. That would make things so much easier.

Bro, do you really wanna be this:

ericjohnson0: Well, this sums it all up... We're all 'kinder and gentler' since Bush 41, and all to happy to take it up the ass.
2006-11-26 11:10:34 PM  
Bloody William

Could you find a source about the Japanese soldiers charged with waterboarding? I have heard of this many time, but have never seen a source cited.
2006-11-26 11:21:00 PM  
SunOfSam: Could you find a source about the Japanese soldiers charged with waterboarding? I have heard of this many time, but have never seen a source cited.

Here you go

A Japanese military officer, Yukio Asano, was tried in 1947 for carrying out a form of torture waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II, and was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.
2006-11-26 11:25:02 PM  
Bloody William

Thank you very much; I'll be adding that to my pile of anti-retard ammunition.
2006-11-27 12:25:40 AM  
Indago: Well, if you can get past some of the crazy, I like the cut of this guy's jib. His plan is to assassinate everything. Not the best plan, but a plan none the less. At least he's trying new things. My mom says that trying new things is important.

George... what are you doing Farking? You have a country to run, dammit!
2006-11-27 1:00:07 AM  
NRO really needs to rebrand as

There is a real push for post adolescents to hang on to their simple solutions for simple world, world view. It's such desperate ignorance that it reminds me of a baby staying on the tit too long. You need to grow up, you need to read your history and political science books if you didn't take it in college, and you need to admit to yourself that the school yard didn't teach you enough about "bullies" and evil that you know what the fark you're talking about with regards to balance of power and macro economics.

You can read the simplified version of the human psyche here everyday, you can read it above. Don't be that person, don't live your whole life that oblivious.
2006-11-27 1:58:58 AM  
"2006-11-26 10:42:32 PMericjohnson0

When you guys make it through puberty, you'll understand why the author was right on the money..."

2006-11-27 2:13:29 AM  
By: Chris Carlson - Gringo in Venezuela

In 1999, when the U.S.-led bombing campaign in Serbia didn't get rid of Slobodan Milosovic, Washington changed its strategy. U.S. intelligence organized a $77 million effort to oust Milosovic through the ballot box. They sent in CIA front organizations funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). Instead of guns and bombs, these U.S. forces were armed with fax machines, computers, and perhaps most importantly, sophisticated surveys done by the Washington-based polling firm Penn, Schoen & Berland.(1) Their mission: to take down Milosovic by strengthening opposition groups.

Milosovic is now long gone, as the U.S. effort to mobilize the opposition and produce mass protests was successful in unseating him in the 2000 elections. This victory was a landmark for U.S. intelligence agencies. They had developed a new way to overthrow unfriendly regimes, and it was much easier than a violent overthrow, or a messy invasion. Penn, Schoen & Berland had played an important role; so important that the U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright commended them, saying "This may be one of the first instances where polling has played such an important role in setting and securing foreign policy objectives."(2) They did, indeed, secure their foreign policy objectives. Milosovic was out, and the U.S.-backed opposition took power.

Since 2000, this smooth new strategy to influence elections and topple regimes has been implemented in many other countries. Dubbed as the "post-modern coup" by Jonathan Mowat, the same brilliant techniques were used in Belarus in 2001, in Georgia in 2003, and in the Ukraine in 2004, to name a few. Although it ultimately failed in Belarus, in Georgia the U.S. effort produced the "Rose Revolution" which overthrew President Eduard Shevardnadze. In the Ukraine it was the "Orange Revolution" that installed Victor Yushchenko in 2004.(3) Each time, groups financed by the NED, and USAID worked inside the country to build popular support for the opposition candidate. Each time they constructed an appealing campaign image using the modern marketing tactics that they have perfected along the way. And each time, they used Penn, Schoen & Berland election "polls" to shape the public's perception.

In his article, "Coup D'etat in Disguise," Jonathan Mowat described how these "polls" work:

"Penn, Schoen and Berland (PSB) has played a pioneering role in the use of polling operations, especially "exit polls," in facilitating coups. Its primary mission is to shape the perception that the group installed into power in a targeted country has broad popular support. ""...the deployment of polling agencies' "exit polls" broadcast on international television...give the false impression of massive vote-fraud by the ruling party, to put targeted states on the defensive."(4)

That is, the goal is to either get enough support to sway the election in their favor, or, if that isn't possible, to give the impression that the elections were fraudulent and encourage the population to overturn them. The strategy has been so successful in overthrowing regimes, or installing the regimes that the U.S. prefers, that the operation has evolved into a blueprint to be used in countries around the world. Ian Traynor described it in the Guardian in November 2004 as follows:

"[T]he campaign is an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in western branding and mass marketing that, in four countries in four years, has been used to try to salvage rigged elections and topple unsavory regimes...The operation - engineering democracy through the ballot box and civil disobedience - is now so slick that the methods have matured into a template for winning other people's elections"(5)

Manufacturing a "Ukrainian" in Venezuela

These days the U.S. has a new arch nemesis; Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Surely Washington would be delighted to get rid of him in the same fashion as all the rest. But there is one small problem; Hugo Chavez is no Slobodan Milosovic. He is immensely popular among the masses in Venezuela and throughout Latin America. Pro-Chavez parties have continued to win democratic elections over the last 8 years, and will most certainly win again in the December 3rd presidential contest. This time U.S. forces have their work cut out for them. They know that it is basically impossible to beat Chavez at the ballot box; he's too popular. It looks like they will have to go to plan B: a coup d'etat.

The U.S. has already set up camp in Venezuela, and all the original cast members are here. We've got NED, USAID, and yes, once again, Penn, Schoen & Berland. Just like in Serbia, or Ukraine, the objective of the U.S. forces is to remove Chavez from power. Therefore they have teamed up with major opposition groups to map out and implement their strategy. The strategy in Venezuela takes from many of the important lessons that they first learned in Serbia, and have since been carried to many other nations. The goal is to create a situation like in Ukraine in 2004: huge protests against the elections and against the government in order to cause chaos and instability. Basically, it comes in three parts.

First, they need to build up popular support for the opposition candidate, Manuel Rosales, by designing an attractive campaign. This has already been accomplished, in part, but according to most polls Rosales only has about 20 to 30 percent voter intention, compared to Chavez who hovers between 50 and 60 percent.(6) However, it appears support for Rosales has grown a few percentage points in the latest polls as the candidate has crossed the country giving speeches and making promises over the last few months. The major media, of course, gives his campaign nightly coverage, and repeats all of his campaign messages.

The campaign is U.S.-designed and uses modern marketing techniques, and catchy slogans. As shown in the 2005 documentary movie "Our Brand Is Crisis", about a U.S. team who designed the campaign of their favored candidate in Bolivia, these brilliant campaigns use sophisticated methods to create exactly the image they need for their candidate. They tend to target youth, and often include youth movements as they have with Primero Justica (Justice First) in Venezuela. The branding of the campaign with a color, and a one-word slogan is an important part of the U.S.-designed campaigns. In Serbia is the slogan was "Otpor", meaning resistance. In Georgia is was "Kmara" (Enough!). In Ukraine, "Pora", means "It's Time!", and now, in Venezuela, the brand is "Atrevete," roughly translated as "Be bold!"

The second step has been to use the mass media to create the perception that the elections are fraudulent. They have done this in a variety of ways. The NED has funded an organization, Sumate (one-word slogan that means "join up"), with the expressed goal of "achieving a high level of citizen participation in Venezuelan elections. "(7) Founded in 2002, Sumate organized the campaign for the recall referendum to revoke Chavez's presidential term. They lost the recall vote in August 2004 by a large margin, but went on to claim, with the help of Penn, Schoen, and Berland's "exit polls," that the election was fraudulent. Five other polls showed exactly the opposite and concurred with the official voting results in which Chavez won by a wide margin. PSB and Sumate, however, maintained that the opposition had won and that Chavez had committed "massive fraud" in spite of the fact that 5 of the 6 polls concurred with the official results, and that the voting process was certified by both the Carter Center and the Organization of American States.(8) Consequently, Chavez's image as a democratically elected leader was damaged both nationally and internationally. The fraud claim resonated through the major media, and planted doubts about Chavez's legitimacy.

Since the recall referendum, the campaign has been non-stop. Sumate and other opposition groups continue to attack the electoral process in Venezuela, claiming it is not transparent and unfairly controlled by the Chavez government. The major media in Venezuela have wholeheartedly supported this campaign giving coverage to Sumate, and their constant press releases denouncing problems with the electoral process. The idea is to decieve enough people into believing that the Chavez regime is not popularly supported, but is holding on to power through fraudulent elections. They have already been fairly successful in convincing a percentage of the population.

Finally, they must get enough people out into the streets in order to create a situation in which a transition of power could take place. Here is where Penn, Schoen & Berland comes in. In the recent months in the lead up to the December 2006 elections, Penn, Schoen & Berland has been instrumental in shaping public perception. In a series of election polls widely covered in the private media, the polling firm has consistently shown that Chavez's lead is shrinking, and the opposition is gaining momentum, while all of the other surveys done over the last few months show that Chavez maintains a wide lead of between 20 and 30 percent.(9)

Last week, Mr. Schoen, of Penn, Schoen & Berland, released the findings of his latest survey on the Venezuelan evening news. As expected, Penn's survey showed that Chavez's opposition, Manuel Rosales, was nearly tied in the polls with Chavez. Chavez, it showed, had only 48% support, and his opponent Manuel Rosales had gained significantly up to 42%. This poll is now being reported across all the major Venezuelan media, to a huge audience, showing that Rosales was gaining more and more everyday, and could possibly win. Mr. Schoen added his personal opinion, "The momentum is clearly with Rosales."(10)

With the help of the mainstream media, almost all of which is vehemently opposed to the popular president, these fake polls have reached a wide audience. All the newspapers, the major television channels, and internet news sites report the poll results as if they were true, valid, findings. They don't mention the fact that these findings are not supported by any other polling agency. Again, although the reality is that Rosales has almost no chance of winning in the December elections, much of the population now believes he will. The reality doesn't seem to matter, all that really matters is what the population believes. When their candidate loses by a large margin, it will be a difficult reality to deal with. If the opposition strategy works, it might be possible to produce large protests and even riots.

Two weeks ago, on Globovision, one of the major private channels in Venezuela, opposition leader Rafael Poleo called on Venezuelans to do the "Ukrainian" on the day after the elections.(11) Claiming the elections will be fraudulent, Poleo, who was involved in the 2002 coup attempt, described in detail a "plan" to remove Chavez from power after the elections. Comparing it to the "Orange Revolution", the plan calls for Venezuelans to come out en masse to protest against the Chavez government and what they call "fraudulent elections." Poleo then made a call to the high military command to back this "movement", in what basically amounts to a call to overthrow the government.

Two weeks from now, we'll see how all of this plays out. Will the popular Chavez continue to rule as the president of the masses? Or, will the U.S.-trained opposition be able to pull off a "Ukrainian" in Venezuela? The opposition's claims of fraud are totally baseless, and even from the most superficial observation, it is clear that Chavez maintains overwhelming support. But, the U.S.-organized strategy seeks to produce mass protests and perhaps military rebellion to unseat their popular enemy. With the help of Penn, Schoen & Berland, they just might get enough people in the streets to cause some trouble. For the coup planners, that's exactly what they need.
2006-11-27 3:43:14 AM  
This man had a few decent points but most of them were hidden among his stupider arguements that were much more plentiful. Most of his fine points were kind of obvious as well. I'd list a few of the stupid ones but Bloody William beat me to them.
2006-11-27 3:59:14 AM  
So what are the odds that Putin didn't order this? And what can Blair or Bush or anyone do?
2006-11-27 8:04:34 AM  
Some where there is sanity in offing one to a dozen or so leaders, and sparing 200,000 to a couple million innocents.

You could say the expenditure of thousands of bombs and the leveling of cities is not environmentally correct.

Mostly the people are talked into hating others by those same leaders who have an agenda.
Ah but getting rid of the bad apple without throwing out the whole bushel makes too much sense.
We need to be politically correct and throw out the baby with the bath.
I know we can't play God with a few lives vs millions and what if our actions were used on our leaders or our troops!
Yeh just like our troops get a break when captured in Iraq.
The last two were recovered in over 400 pieces apiece and were disassembled ritually while still alive.
They were identified by DNA.

Sorry these people are brainwashed and from children they are taught Jew's and Americans are descended from pigs and dogs and are really not human.
The smart ones are using the Jihad to gain power much as Hitler used hatred of the Jews to further his demented cause.
The average German wonders now how their parents or grandparents could have followed such a mad man.

Fascism is gaining power again in Germany where the new Immigrants are blamed for crimes and lowering wages and any thing the far right can dream up.
Extremism on either side Sucs thats why I'm in the far middle.
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