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(Yahoo)   Democrats continue milking at the drug-price nipple; the fact that 75 percent of seniors are happy with Medicaire Plan D doesn't matter to them at all   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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210 clicks; posted to Politics » on 24 Nov 2006 at 5:54 PM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2006-11-24 1:33:41 PM  
You guys lost. Get over it.

/is this a cliche yet?
 
2006-11-24 1:43:24 PM  
Are they truly happy, or are they happy because they've been told to be happy? Funny, because I seem to remember a lot of confusion over the medicare plan.

Being told what to believe doesn't an opinion make.
 
2006-11-24 1:48:33 PM  
Can you say "Intellectual Dishonesty"? Ask those same seniors next year when they start falling into the doughnut hole earlier, and are suffering through it longer.

The only change that the Democrats are wanting to implement is the ability for medicare to negotiate for bulk prices from the drug companies. Right now medicare (read: tax payers) are paying 100% retail price on all part D drugs that are bought. These are prices which could easily be negotiated down to wholesale prices, but was not because the Republicans designed the legislation to increase drug company profits.
 
2006-11-24 1:50:41 PM  
blah blah blah blah, you're a farking idiot, whining little biatch, etc etc.


/too tired to continue, but continue ad nauseum
 
2006-11-24 1:54:07 PM  
Its not about what people want its about what they think is best for them...
 
2006-11-24 2:13:45 PM  
But how many submitters can spell "Medicare" correctly, hmmm?
 
2006-11-24 2:20:15 PM  
75 percent, or 75 percent of those on the plan? And how many of the total population is that?

/lies
//damn lies
///statistics
 
2006-11-24 2:29:07 PM  
Code_Archeologist: The only change that the Democrats are wanting to implement is the ability for medicare to negotiate for bulk prices from the drug companies. Right now medicare (read: tax payers) are paying 100% retail price on all part D drugs that are bought. These are prices which could easily be negotiated down to wholesale prices


Exactly. Who the hell cares if seniors are happy about it (and 75% isn't that high BTW). They are getting the benefit while the rest of us are paying through the nose for it.
 
2006-11-24 2:54:19 PM  
How big was the sample size? Our Medicare practice is about 750 people, and 75% sure as hell aren't happy with part D.
 
2006-11-24 3:20:46 PM  
wow. funny how the methodology of a poll becomes important when its about democrats...
 
2006-11-24 4:28:24 PM  
They're all senile. They'd be happy with a slap and a lolly.
 
2006-11-24 4:37:58 PM  
Poor, poor use of "nipple" in headline.
 
2006-11-24 5:28:13 PM  
Republican: "Because making 50.1% of the population happy is enough to win an election."
 
2006-11-24 5:45:06 PM  
Hi, as a disabled 51 year old, on Medicare, I can tell you it is 75% on the plan are happy with it. However, that figure has dropped of late due to the donut hole.

Medicare's own figures show the program has much slower growth, in terms of signing members up, as far fewer signed up than expected.

For example. My rx's cost over $1,500 a month, which is more than my soc sec. i therefore quailfy for patient assistence, for free or near free rx from the manufacters. Under the medicare rx program, it would cost me about $500 a month for those x's that are covered and a number of my rx's are not on ANY emdicare rx programs.

The plan has had two EXTREMELY negitive results.

1. A small but growing number of RX's are no longer available for aptient assistence from the manufacters, meaning unless your Dr. can find a suitable replacement, you end up having to join the plan.

2. the growth in RX costs since the pna was annonced, let alone pass is huge. The effect is to cause rx pans from employers to cut back. Now there is a clause in the new law, that is suppose to financially compinsate companies from not dropping their coverage, it is not working well and it does nto prevent a drop in AMMOUNT of coverage.

In the meantime, this has been a gift for the rx companies with huge, huge profits! Another concern, is that the rx firms use government grants thru colleges and then use the research but keep the profits, in spite of the fact gov $ was used. Now thye will have to live with making less.
 
2006-11-24 6:03:42 PM  
Abagadro: Code_Archeologist: The only change that the Democrats are wanting to implement is the ability for medicare to negotiate for bulk prices from the drug companies. Right now medicare (read: tax payers) are paying 100% retail price on all part D drugs that are bought. These are prices which could easily be negotiated down to wholesale prices

Exactly. Who the hell cares if seniors are happy about it (and 75% isn't that high BTW). They are getting the benefit while the rest of us are paying through the nose for it.


And that would simply be giving Medicare Part D the same right to negotiate prices that other governmental drug programs, like the one run by the VA, already has.
 
2006-11-24 6:20:08 PM  
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2006-11-24 6:20:27 PM  
Shut........UP: wow. funny how the methodology of a poll becomes important when its about democrats...

Also funny how Republicans only question their government when Democrats are in charge.
 
2006-11-24 6:20:51 PM  
WHA WAH WAH.

Sounds like more neo-con crying.

They are just so jelious of dems that it just tears them up inside. They are still pissed clinton was such a great success
 
2006-11-24 6:22:15 PM  
RealClearPolitics is still unadulterated shiat, even when hosted by Yahoo.

Shut........UP: In this instance, critiquing the methodology is perfectly valid. These polls only include seniors who actually have coverage and ignores the multitudes fed up with the application process.
 
2006-11-24 6:59:49 PM  
When someone holds an opinion so tightly the real data is unimportant, facts have no value, and the conclusions are already reached, then any data supporting the opinion is golden and any data contradicting it is fabrication, exaggeration, or conspiracy. In such an environment, truth is unimportant and discussion is useless. Guess to whom the statement applies.
 
2006-11-24 7:11:04 PM  
Didn't Walmart just cut the price of almost everything generic to like $4?
 
2006-11-24 7:37:07 PM  
60% of seniors don't know what day of the week it is. So, would you trust their opinion?

/My stat is also from the Bureau of Rectovellic Statistics.
 
2006-11-24 7:52:23 PM  
Uh, it's the taxpayer that is paying too much for drugs thanks to Republican corruption, not the seniors.

When the Dems pass legislation letting the government negotiate for lower drug prices, then the cost to the taxpayer will go down.
 
2006-11-24 8:01:52 PM  
Anyone got a link to that JD Powers study that was quoted?
 
2006-11-24 8:02:04 PM  
Well why shouldn't seniors be happy?

George 'LBJ' Bush broke the bank so grandma could get free meds... inching us ever closer to socialized medicine. And when medical care is 'free' we'll all find out what 'expensive' Really looks like.
 
2006-11-24 8:04:13 PM  
Shut up! All of you! You have NO IDEA what you're talking about!

Clearly the glorious free market ONLY WORKS if the person purchasing has NO NEGOTIATING POWER whatsoever!

How could the producers and inventors ever have ANY incentive to work unless they could charge WHATEVER THEY WANT and receive that amount without any chance of deviance?

Why, the very uncertainty proposed by the alternative would rip the market to shreds! No one would EVER participate in a system where prices might fluxuate according to how desirable the commodity is!

And it's utterly STUPID for DumbocRATS to even suggest such a thing!

Only without price deviance can the market remain FREE! Forever!

/if you don't recognize the sarcasm, I pity you
 
2006-11-24 8:11:35 PM  
Cocheeze: Didn't Walmart just cut the price of almost everything generic to like $4?

B-b-b-but Wal-Mart!
 
2006-11-24 8:23:16 PM  
Who cares if there happy? There not paying for it.

If we negotiate for prices, they get the same damn service, and I get more for my dollar while I'm taking care of the doddering old bastards.

That's all there is to it, and for my govt to stand in the way of that in favor of a god damn corporation is so insane ..
 
2006-11-24 9:02:25 PM  
ericjohnson0

George 'LBJ' Bush broke the bank so grandma could get free meds... inching us ever closer to socialized medicine. And when medical care is 'free' we'll all find out what 'expensive' Really looks like.

exactly. DO you know how much tyelnol costs at the convenicne store?! at least 24$ i saw it on the simpsons. thats what it is going to be like. every1 listen to ericjohnson he knows what he is talking about, except you LIBTARDS wont let him talk. medicare is also the reason the good old united states of america has tons of debt it is because of LIBRAL SPENDING on medicar. That is the real reason there is trilllions of dollers of debt when you try to increase the budget. you make fun of the guy telling you gto get a brain but he is right, you libfags really r morans and medicar is going to turn THIS GRATE COUNTRY into COMMUNISM RUSSIA.
 
2006-11-24 9:03:55 PM  
also any1 who is a libral should be hanged for treason, because you are from russia. thank you.
 
2006-11-24 9:11:36 PM  
rush22: exactly. DO you know how much tyelnol costs at the convenicne store?! at least 24$ i saw it on the simpsons. thats what it is going to be like. every1 listen to ericjohnson he knows what he is talking about, except you LIBTARDS wont let him talk. medicare is also the reason the good old united states of america has tons of debt it is because of LIBRAL SPENDING on medicar. That is the real reason there is trilllions of dollers of debt when you try to increase the budget. you make fun of the guy telling you gto get a brain but he is right, you libfags really r morans and medicar is going to turn THIS GRATE COUNTRY into COMMUNISM RUSSIA.

also any1 who is a libral should be hanged for treason, because you are from russia. thank you.


9.5/10; ya had me for a minute there.
 
2006-11-24 11:53:20 PM  
Of course they're happy, they aren't the ones paying for it.

The issue isn't one of how much services we give them; the issue is how much of our tax dollars we spend to give those services.

This doesn't benefit the seniors, it benefits the taxpayers.
 
2006-11-25 4:06:51 AM  
I worked in the healthcare business for a couple of years until recently. And I remember how many seniors, which by the way, are at the highest population that it's ever been... Not understand their Medicare D plan. There weren't enough on the plan to even bother signing up with that program early. There was no benefit to it at all. And others were missing out on other programs that they didn't know about, because the enrollment process was very confusing. I agree... Lowering the drug prices would help us. We pay enough taxes as it is. It's hard to make a living while earning a decent salary if you're a single parent.
 
2006-11-25 9:32:20 AM  
So whats the problem?? Seniors are happy and not having to eat dog food and fall over costing thousands from not having meds and congress can form a blue ribbon committee to construct a fair price tier for all common drugs and favorable pricing for those special one off type drugs that are the costliest.
That 75% favorable rating is up from 66 % just three months ago according to AARP.
We pay much more when a citizen falls over and is transported to a hospital and requires a two week hospital stay to recover than if that senior had the med's he/she needed for 10 years.
Besides Alpo lacks the basic nutrition needed for an active sex life!
Those wanton Granny's are Farking Hot!
 
2006-11-25 9:59:07 AM  
I blame Exxon.
 
2006-11-25 10:16:45 AM  
My car is addicted to Exxon Med's!
 
2006-11-25 12:37:01 PM  
my parents are happy with it, but they have a hard time admitting that the bush clan did something worth while.
 
2006-11-25 12:50:25 PM  
I will say this: If the Democrats are really going to do anything about health care, I think there is more urgent work to be done. Being able to afford medications isn't much use if you can't afford to see the doctor who is going to prescribe them to you in the first place.
 
2006-11-25 3:02:52 PM  
I'm 37 and working full time. I have to pay for this drugco subsidy. I'm not happy with it.
fark what retired Seniors have to say about it.

Medicare part D as it should be:

This is how much we're paying for your drugs. If you want to do business AT ALL in the US, you will sell it to us for that. If we see price gouging at all on consumer prices, we'll determine ALL of your prices. We're the US farking government. We can do that.

Oh, and all those drugs we paid to develop? They're ours now.

Much if not most drug research is done at Universities. That research can be paid for by taxpayers as easily as drug cartels, and the results can be publicly owned AND the research can be directed at useful pursuits, such as new antibiotics.
 
2006-11-25 4:09:02 PM  
ericjohnson0: George 'LBJ' Bush broke the bank so grandma could get free meds... inching us ever closer to socialized medicine.

And he won't let scientists patent people! I mean seriously.
 
2006-11-25 8:43:02 PM  
I tried to get a patent on myself . It only costs $ 10,000 and many people have told me they hoped they broke the mold when I was made.
I figure one of a kind should be worth a lot!
 
2006-11-28 2:42:16 AM  
75% of seniors are happy that muffins their favorite kitty came home. Doesnt mean the new medicare with its lack of price-control and price negiotians isnt bullshiat.
 
2006-11-28 4:44:06 PM  
Have you SEEN drug prices? No? Really? Just really really stupid? Ah, ok.
 
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