Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Fox News)   When you travel home this Thanksgiving, airports will be issuing you a 1-quart clear ziploc bag into which you may place toiletries contained in 3-ounce or smaller bottles, citizen   ( foxnews.com) divider line
    More: PSA  
•       •       •

5330 clicks; posted to Main » on 19 Nov 2006 at 8:54 AM (11 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



198 Comments     (+0 »)
 


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2006-11-19 01:06:38 PM  
tonguedepressor
You can travel domestically with an unlimited amt of cash.

In theory, yes. However you folks at the TSA have this "arragement" to "notify" the DEA should someone be carrying over $10k in cash, on a DOMESTIC flight. Happened at PHL a couple of times.

You guys haven't made "The Big Catch" yet, so you have to do what you do with bending the rules a bit, huh?
 
2006-11-19 01:18:12 PM  
tonguedepressor
An experienced frequent flier will divest and get through my ckpt in under a minute.

The people who do not know policy slows the process down to about 5 minutes.


The problem with that is the old law of average. On average, 20% of a plane's load hauls in 80% of the airlines' revenue.

That means there are 80% of the seldom traveler. And that's exactly who your agency tries to appeal to...the crowd who thinks that since there are people in freshly pressed shirts who can speak english, we MUST be safer.


Other rants about airport "security"....

Never mind that only about 10% of sir cargo is checked. That tits on a bull "trusted traveler" program basically consists of plugging your ears and crossing your fingers that nothing goes "kaboom" in flight.

I'm sure John Q. Public would be fired up to learn that the catering trucks, nor their drivers, ever get screened.

Oh, and by the way, addressing earlier posts, you CAN board an aircraft without ID. You just get sent to the secondary line to get groped and your belongings rifled through.

ID-checking is such a joke anyway, it's just a revenue protection measure for the airlines.

Air travel used to be fun. Then the TSA came along with their unaccountable, ineffective, piece of shiat bureaucracy.

Kip Hawley is an idiot.
 
2006-11-19 01:18:40 PM  
tonguedepressor: try to keep up.

i wasn't gonna call you a douche. too late.
 
2006-11-19 01:22:12 PM  
[image from cnn.com too old to be available]

All this talk of baggies made me get the munchies..
 
2006-11-19 01:22:19 PM  
@ Tonguedepressor

From reading your posts you seem to have something of a god/persecution complex rolled all into one. I'm not saying that to be rude quite honestly. You consistently refer to the people that you serve (and don't forget, it is your job to serve us)in a condescending manner and act as though they are too stupid to follow the rules.

The problem isn't that people are too stupid, it's just that often they don't know the rules have changed/are nervous about their flight/or one of a million other concerns. Meanwhile they are told to stand in line and be subjected to critical inspection and a dizzing array of rules that by and large don't make anyone feel even the slightest bit safer.

If people didn't have to take off their shoes, would the vast majority be worried about another shoe bomber? No likely not.

Furthermore, the bulk of travel originating in the US now has to be planned in accorance with just getting to the gate. No one thinks that TSA's or checkpoints aren't necessary, just that they are ineffective- responding to things far after the fact. Using the shoe bomber as an example- after the fact we have to take off our shoes.

When are airports going to stop acting retroactively on things that really don't pose such a problem to begin with?

That my friend is where people's hostility towards the TSA comes in. That and the fact that quite honestly, the people standing at those counters don't take on an air of even giving a shiat about their job.

Finally, I am personally freaked out every time I fly ((and I can't use the argument re: not using airlines as I live in Hawaii)) because I am waiting for the day when some TSA rep tells me I can't carry my Insulin on board.
 
2006-11-19 01:24:14 PM  
TemporarySanity:
"i wasn't gonna call you a douche. too late."

yeh, I'm sure you weren't trying to be an asshole either. too late for that too.
 
2006-11-19 01:29:50 PM  
One wierd little TSA story for the road- I was in Albuquerque giving my girlfriend a tearful goodbye kiss before going to a security checkpoint. It was empty just a few going through security and I noticed one of the screeners glaring at me while I kissed her.

Two moments later after I had gotten in line, directed to the additional screeing area by that asshole. I'm sure that I must have looked like quite a threat.
 
2006-11-19 01:32:01 PM  
For all you people biatching about uninformed idiots...hey, some of us never fly! I'm flying on Thanksgiving day for the first time in 10 years. If it weren't for Fark, I'd have a carryon full of shampoo, conditioner, cologne, etc...
I've ditched my carryon plans and will put everything in a checked bag, which will, of course, get lost with all my (unwrapped) christmas gifts in it. You experts can tell me what else I need to know about getting on the plane (most importantly, is Thanksgiving morning itself super busy or super empty?)
 
2006-11-19 01:32:31 PM  
See, I live in Hawaii too, and THIS is why I wish the environmental wackos would STFU and let the farking Superferry get started.

Because I'm sick of airport security!

Especially since I travel with scientific instruments that these idiots won't have any clue what the shiat they are. For example, the day after Thanksgiving, I will be flying from Honolulu to Maui carrying five of these:

[image from equipcoservices.com too old to be available]

OMG It's square, has a battery, a switch, a tube, it could be a bomb!

And I'd be farked, because there goes 1.5 grand in air sampling pumps.
 
2006-11-19 01:32:51 PM  
I'd post something here about why we should radically change the way the entire country is being run, but the sound of Blackhawk helicopters flying around my house and FBI agents knocking on my door scares me.
 
2006-11-19 01:33:10 PM  
Fathom:

If you had read my earlier posts, you would've read my approach towards my job and the people who come through my airport, but I'll reiterate.

I treat people with courtesy, compassion, tact and professionalism and I'll tell you the reasons why.

For one, it's just a helluva lot easier to be nicer to someone than it is to be a dick and I prefer my job easier.

Two, it makes my job more enjoyable to be sociable and pleasant. I like to joke and interact because it helps make the day go by, and my day is 10.5 hrs long.

And finally, it's the job to be professional and I've had training and experience to be professional in my duties.
 
rka
2006-11-19 01:40:08 PM  
PeaSouper: Neither. But, I fly probably an average of twice a week. Most airports I've been to in the US, I generally have to wait an average of about 15 minutes longer to get my bag from the baggage carousel than if I walked straight from the gate to the rental car shuttle or the taxi stand. Checking a bag every time I fly would cost me 26 hours a year.


So how does that compare to the extra time needed to handle everyone lugging their carry-on's through security, requiring extra time xraying? How does that compare to the extra time needed to board and unboard the plane due to everyone needing to stow and unstow that baggage? You don't think getting on and off the plane would be quicker if everyone checked their bags?
 
2006-11-19 02:03:06 PM  
rka
So how does that compare to the extra time needed to handle everyone lugging their carry-on's through security, requiring extra time xraying? How does that compare to the extra time needed to board and unboard the plane due to everyone needing to stow and unstow that baggage? You don't think getting on and off the plane would be quicker if everyone checked their bags?

Taking the bags through x-ray is a hell of a lot faster than checking them and making them go through the CTX machines.

Not to mention TSA has long had a sticky-finger problem with doing those searches because the CTX machines mistakes toothpaste (or any other opaque items) as an explosive.

That's the problem in this whole war on liquids that Kip "Idiot" Hawley has done. Increases in baggage handling costs to the airlines and increased work for an already slow CTX machine.
 
2006-11-19 02:05:15 PM  
itsfullofstars: Now go find me someone (not working for the government) who thinks the TSA is worth a damn, go on, scoot.

I hated flying long before the TSA, just because of the stinking rat turds who run the airlines.

While the policies are monumentally stupid, I'm one of the seeming few who thinks the experience of dealing with security people improved by orders of magnitude when the TSA took over.

My limited experience has been that the old, private rentacops were about 50-50 between nice people doing an intrusive job as pleasantly and efficiently as possible, and wannabe prison guards who probably had nekkid pictures of themselves holding their badge and cuffs.

The TSA people seem to be efficient, and professional in manner - not particularly pleasant, but not going out of their way to give me shiat, either. They get a list of crap they must do, and they do it.

So, no, I don't think the TSA is worth a damn. But I don't hold that opinion based on their most visible component, the airport screeners.
 
2006-11-19 02:18:56 PM  
Ishidan: Especially since I travel with scientific instruments that these idiots won't have any clue what the shiat they are.

Back in the 80's when I was in grad school, another of the molecular biology students caused quite a stir. He was carrying specimens to another lab by air. In a small cooler full of dry ice. When he got to the screening, he asked that the faintly smoking six-pack sized cooler be hand checked, because "they're tumor viruses, and I wouldn't want the X-rays to mutate them." Hilarity apparently ensued, but he was completely legal (and didactically correct in his statements to the screeners).
 
2006-11-19 02:25:11 PM  
Once at the checkpoint, I noticed that I'd forgotten to remove the tiny, Swiss Army fob from my keyring. I slid it off and handed to the guy at the other end of the x-ray. He looked at it (the blade was about 1-1/2") and handed it back.

Thanks, reasonable security guy!
 
2006-11-19 02:28:31 PM  
i had an interesting experience at ohare a couple weeks ago. since i was flying first class i was in a separate line. i was late for my flight so i didnt check in my luggage. my toothpaste etc were all the mini size but my cologne wasnt. i luckily had a plastic bag i kept my qtips in and the tsa agent basically put everything in there but couldnt seal it. She looked at me and said "lets say it actually closed" and sent me on my way. Yeah, i feel safer. I guess since she knew i was a business traveller she let me through. this was on a sat morning.
 
2006-11-19 03:49:04 PM  
Last time I flew I refused to remove my leather strap sandals. I was calm about it and explained just how stupid and humiliating it was (given the sandals I was wearing). In Houston they were jerks about it, but in Vegas they were cool. What's funny is that they didn't even put up a fuss about my "Offender" (Felony) ID card that I have to carry.

All of this reminds me of those tests that employers sometimes give with questions like, "I have never stolen anything". Who hasn't stolen something in their life? So now the company is hiring liars (all those that answered FALSE).

I could sneak a farkin' DINOSAUR onto a plane if I wished. The TSA is running out of ideas
 
2006-11-19 04:02:58 PM  
So when did they start making ballistics-grade ziploc bags? And when did they change the gripper-zipper lock on the bag so you can't open it on the plane?

Because unless they are ballistics-grade bags that can't be opened three feet passed the security point, this is a total waste of time
 
2006-11-19 04:05:14 PM  
Ishidan: OMG It's square, has a battery, a switch, a tube, it could be a bomb!

And I'd be farked, because there goes 1.5 grand in air sampling pumps.


May want to take the slow boat ferry to Maui and avoid Hawaiian, Aloha and Go!
 
2006-11-19 04:05:55 PM  
vudukungfu
If you fly, you have demontrated you willingness to surrender your rights.
It's that simple...

...Don' give the airlines a penny. Fark 'em if they can't run their lemonaid stand like an independent business...


Much easier said than done there. I know I don't speak just for myself here, because I am sure there are plenty of people out there like me: Going to school 2,500 miles from home, blind, and unable to legally drive because of it. My only choice to get home to see the family for the holidays is to fly as there is not even a Greyhound bus station or a train station near where I live or my parents live.

As much as I dislike all of these new rules the airlines have put out, I will comply with them and suck it up because I value getting places alive.

Sure, you may say that makes me a sheep, but I'm not about to biatch to the workers who are only trying to do their jobs. Bring it up to the higher-ups if you want something done.
 
2006-11-19 04:23:00 PM  
They don't want to prevent a terrorist attack out of a sense of self defense of the country. Even though the odds are insanely low, just one attack would mean the govt. would have no choice but to react, and they don't want to spend the resources on it. It's not part of the plan and would muck things up like trying to privatize Iraq. Before, there were places that were vulnerable, like Afghanistan and Iraq, but there aren't any more places that we can just say, "dammit, we're mad, look out Iran or North Korea...", because we can't attack them unless they overtly attacked us and we knew it was them, a particular nation, that did it. Then, of course, the whole world would be against them.

/oh, never mind. Just drink another beer
 
2006-11-19 04:23:16 PM  
andyman "Because unless they are ballistics-grade bags that can't be opened three feet passed the security point, this is a total waste of time"

the bag is to group the 3.4 oz items together in a measurable way and also be able to see each item.

you probably coulda figured that out if you tried.

perhaps not.
 
2006-11-19 04:36:42 PM  
submitter: "When you travel home this Thanksgiving, airports will be issuing you a 1-quart clear ziploc bag into which you may place toiletries contained in 3-ounce or smaller bottles, citizen comrade"

There, fixed that for you.
/Wish it were a joke.
 
2006-11-19 04:38:28 PM  
After all the security changes that have been made, are people in the U.S. without boarding passes still allowed to go through security to say goodbye to loved ones at the gate???
 
2006-11-19 04:42:20 PM  
you need a reason to get a gate pass if you're not flying and want to get by sec ckpt.

The reasons would be escorting a child or elder/sick relative and you need a valid license to get a gate pass.
 
2006-11-19 05:19:57 PM  
After having a 2oz bottle of hand sanitizer and a 3oz tube of lotion confiscated the last time I flew out of St. Louis, only because because I didn't have them in plastic bags (never mind the fact that they'd obviously fit in a 1 quart bag), it's about time they started providing these bags more often.

/Still, like I told the TSA agent that morning, "This has got to be the dumbest policy I've ever heard of in my life."
//It must be in a clear plastic bag?
 
2006-11-19 05:36:59 PM  
Well, there goes my get rich quick scheme of selling zip-lock baggies at check stations for $3 each down the freaking tubes.

I did the math twice, and I just won't be able to achieve the volume necessary to make a profit selling the bags for $0 each.

...unless I can lower my overhead more...,
 
2006-11-19 05:38:27 PM  
tonguedepressor: I wholeheartedly DO NOT agree with current restrictions regarding liquids and gels particularly of the type that fit into people's pants pockets anyway, but I'll abide by the policy until they change it.

As a TSO myself, I, and many of my co-workers totally agree with this statement.

//ducks and covers
 
2006-11-19 05:39:26 PM  
ruta: After all the security changes that have been made, are people in the U.S. without boarding passes still allowed to go through security to say goodbye to loved ones at the gate???

No, you must have a boarding pass or a gate pass to enter the "sterile" area of the airport.

You also must have either a government issued photo-ID (like a drivers' license or passport) or 2 pieces of non-photo identification (one issued by a government agency) like a social security card and a copy of your auto insurance policy.
 
2006-11-19 05:44:34 PM  
"...having a 2oz bottle of hand sanitizer and a 3oz tube of lotion confiscated the last time.."

sounds quite traumatic.

you coulda kept yer cleaner and lotion (it wasn't confiscated) you just didn't feel like exercising any of the options like bringing it back to your car or checking it or even seeing if your airline was giving out baggies that day.

chances are, there were several instances when you could've become aware of the liquids policies and didn't pay attention.
 
2006-11-19 07:52:24 PM  
ARGH! Switch to metric, for crying out loud. And while you're at it, stop using trademarked names to describe product categories.
 
2006-11-19 10:22:48 PM  
3.4 oz is metric.

1 approx 1 qt size clear ziploc type bag

3.4 ox limit inside said bag

1 bag per person.

oh yeah, take it out and present it at ckpt.

your through like a pro
 
2006-11-19 11:30:26 PM  
Um.... if I remember chem correctly, 3.4 oz isn't metric. Either it's referring to weight/mass (in which case grams are appropriate) or, more likely, it's referring to fluid ounces (in which case mL are appropriate).

I definitely agree on the take the bag out at checkpoint fact though. I'm trying to glean as many tips so I don't get held up on Wednesday's flight home. So much has changed in 2 months since I've last flown.
 
2006-11-20 12:09:33 AM  
tonguedepressor
you probably coulda figured that out if you tried.

perhaps not.



Think about that statement you typed the next time you're trying to figure out why most of the frequent flier community despises the TSA and people like you.
 
2006-11-20 12:23:10 AM  
Okay...so I work for TSA too and... crap I don't even remember how the cliche works....

Came across a B.O.B. today (battery operated boyfriend) spent my time in checkpoint trying to guess whose it was.

Tonguedepressor: Don't be giving away too many secrets bro,
if we enlighten the sheep they'll panic and stampede.

...and in truth, we're just trying to keep bombs off planes. If you can sneak your dope past the dogs, good for you...I'm not going to give it a second look.

...and liquids should NEVER have been allowed back. The british are doing this right. It's only going to get ugly and difficult for the states.

TSA slashies
/Give me a hard time, I think it's entertaining.
//Hit me...you got $2500.00 to throw away on a felony?
///Every day my motivation is "What if my little girl was on this plane?"

Give us a break... the uniforms aren't making the rules, just enforcing them.
 
2006-11-20 01:23:09 AM  
Give us a break... the uniforms aren't making the rules, just enforcing them.

You're just following orders?


/muhahahahaha
//runs
 
2006-11-20 01:46:06 AM  
006-11-19 04:05:14 PM undflickertail

May want to take the slow boat ferry to Maui and avoid Hawaiian, Aloha and Go!

That's what I want the goddamned Superferry for!

Hell, for a few bucks more, I could take my car with me. Suck it, rental car companies! And definitely suck it, humping all that stuff from the car, to the airport, from the airport, into the rental car.

But no, the enviro-wackos want to raise a shiat fit.
 
2006-11-20 08:12:44 AM  
Less02 "Think about that statement you typed the next time you're trying to figure out why most of the frequent flier community despises the TSA and people like you."

Yeah, you don't know what your talking about either so stfu.

/love when people pluck sweeping statements from outta their ass.
 
2006-11-20 10:42:40 AM  
tonguedepressor
Yeah, you don't know what your talking about either so stfu.

/love when people pluck sweeping statements from outta their ass.



Whoopsie! No responses until that one. Looks like I hit a nerve there.

Probably bothers you that you can't give me a retaliatory secondary or ETD every piece in my bag or ask "do you want to fly today," doesn't it?
 
2006-11-20 11:03:09 AM  
LessO2

My statement towards Andyman had nothing to do with flying and everything to do with basic reasoning.

If he had made any attempt to understand the theory about grouping small liquids together in a plastic bag he wouldn't have made his comment, thus my barb was made at his lack of even trying to figure out why a gov't agency would create such policy.

Moreover, if you had made any attempt to figure out my comment towards that end you would've seen I was addressing him as a Farker and not a passenger.

/previous statements stand
 
2006-11-20 11:17:28 AM  
Lesso2

"Not to mention TSA has long had a sticky-finger problem with doing those searches because the CTX machines mistakes toothpaste (or any other opaque items) as an explosive."

It may hearten you to know that for well over a year now there has been certification that all but the newest TSO's have that enable screeners to clear common objects that are recognizable as non threats on the checked baggage side.
 
2006-11-20 11:29:38 AM  
tonguedepressor
It may hearten you to know that for well over a year now there has been certification that all but the newest TSO's have that enable screeners to clear common objects that are recognizable as non threats on the checked baggage side.

Perfectly aware of that.

But there are still plenty of cases out there of "sticky finger syndrome." Especially with the increase on checked baggage because of your boss' liquid fetish.
 
2006-11-20 11:37:09 AM  
tonguedepressor
My statement towards Andyman had nothing to do with flying and everything to do with basic reasoning.

If he had made any attempt to understand the theory about grouping small liquids together in a plastic bag he wouldn't have made his comment, thus my barb was made at his lack of even trying to figure out why a gov't agency would create such policy.

Moreover, if you had made any attempt to figure out my comment towards that end you would've seen I was addressing him as a Farker and not a passenger.

/previous statements stand


Yeah, and I bet you treat everyone like a Farker at the checkpoints too.
 
2006-11-20 12:11:42 PM  
Less02

"Yeah, and I bet you treat everyone like a Farker at the checkpoints too."

Once again you do nothing but substantiate my earlier comments.

If you had taken the time to read my posts, (I made the courtesy of reading all of your's) on how I approach my job you'd know it is my policy to treat passengers with professionalism.

You appear to simply have a hair across your ass for the TSA in general and Kip Hawley in particular.

Although I can't criticize you for the latter, I do take umbrage with you're grouping TSO's in the thieving belligerent asshole's category.
 
2006-11-20 01:07:10 PM  
The only thing the TSA is doing by restricting the amount of liquids in a carry-on and that they go in a plastic bag is to keep your other things in that carry on safe from getting wet.

Right? They do know that this is the only thing this accomplishes right? No way!! They still think people can succesfully make damaging explosives in a plane seat or bathroom with liquids?? BAHAHAHA!!

Next thing you will tell me is that they still think x-rays will spot plastic explosives in shoes. Ohh, so the TSA does know but they aren't admitting it to people. Ah, so the big wigs are "looking busy" to not get hassled.

And for you TSA guys..yes you are keeping sons and daughters safe from actual dangerous weapons(bowie knives, guns), and devices(tazers) and we thank you. "I am doing my job" is fine and no one is saying stand out and get yourself fired, but don't be ignorant while towing the company line when you just need to do a little research. Even if it's just for yourself.

And as heart felt as you might be, sounding like you are doing people a favor by being nice to them makes people disenchanted with you.

/a troll, common sense hybrid.
 
2006-11-20 01:30:29 PM  
finiamh

"And as heart felt as you might be, sounding like you are doing people a favor by being nice to them makes people disenchanted with you."

I'm not nice to people to do them a favor. I'm nice to em because it's easier to be nice than not, it makes my job more enjoyable, and a job requirement.

And you don't think that the screeners who have been there long enough and who have an inkling of understanding of basic physics doesn't know what the hell is going on?

Who's really disenchanted?
 
2006-11-20 01:52:05 PM  
finiamh, you also didn't read my previous posts.

I don't want anyone thinking I'm doing them a favor by being nice to them, I want them to think I'm doing my job correctly.

You realize we are mandated to provide "World Class Customer Service" and that we are supervised to do as such.

If you feel disenchanted because someone is being polite and courteous to you then nothing I say to you will change your point of view.
 
Displayed 48 of 198 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Newest | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking

On Twitter





Top Commented
Javascript is required to view headlines in widget.
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report