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(Daily Mail)   Church of England decides it would be just dandy if doctors let sick or disabled babies die. What, no medical experiments first?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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2006-11-14 2:43:41 PM  
How many times is this going to go green and then get kicked to red.

RTGDFA, you twit!
 
2006-11-14 2:44:44 PM  
Let's say I was born with cystic fibrosis in 1571... What happens to me?

Let's say I was born with cystic fibrosis in 1651... What happens to me?

Let's say I was born with cystic fibrosis in 1703... What happens to me?

Let's say I was born with cystic fibrosis in 1897... What happens to me?

Let's say I was born with cystic fibrosis in 1923... What happens to me?

Let's say I was born with cystic fibrosis in 2006... What happens to me? Oh, right, I suffer pain, deformities, diseases, and infertility for 30 years, and then die.
 
2006-11-14 2:45:11 PM  
I don't see a problem here.
 
2006-11-14 2:47:20 PM  
No cake?
 
2006-11-14 2:52:47 PM  
Well that's a rather modest proposal.
 
2006-11-14 2:54:08 PM  
What a way to completely misrepresent the church's position on the issue, subby.
 
2006-11-14 2:54:14 PM  
ThatDevGuy: What happens to me? Oh, right, I suffer pain, deformities, diseases, and infertility for 30 years, and then die.

But you also get to live. For all the athiests out there - would you rather live a short life with pain or never exist at all?
 
2006-11-14 2:54:20 PM  
Nabb1: Well that's a rather modest proposal.

Beat me to the Swiftian reference.
 
2006-11-14 2:56:39 PM  
I suppose mentioning eugenics Godwins the headline?
 
2006-11-14 2:57:20 PM  
*implying eugenics
 
2006-11-14 2:58:19 PM  
What's the problem here again?
 
2006-11-14 2:59:08 PM  
crunchyfist: For all the athiests out there - would you rather live a short life with pain or never exist at all?

I'd take sweet, sweet, oblivion for $500, Alex. And for religious people, being killed as a baby is supposedly a free ticket to heaven, right?
 
2006-11-14 3:01:24 PM  
crunchyfist
But you also get to live. For all the athiests out there - would you rather live a short life with pain or never exist at all?


Have you ever seen them? Writhing, eyes leaking tears, incontinent of stool, defecating themselves every other hour as a foley catheter is the only way they can urinate?

The only relief they get is the Roxycodone elixir and if they are lucky a morphine order around the clock??

Respiratory issues, pneumonia, three pages of medications they have to have fed to them through a tube surgically placed into their abdomen because they can't swallow or they'll choke?


Educate yourself before you preach, kid.


As a nurse, I see this while you play armchair referee. fark you. If you would allow your child to live like this for 25 years, you should be made to undergo mandatory castration.

Anyone that states otherwise simply doesn't know what the fark they are talking about. If you have ever wanted to wipe blood and yeast from your own 30 year old daughters infected cath-insertion site on a daily basis, argue me. If not, shut the hell up.
 
2006-11-14 3:13:01 PM  
But you also get to live.

I think you meant "live", cause you might be alive but that sure isn't living.
 
2006-11-14 3:16:59 PM  
If morality is about reducing human suffering, then the moral thing to do is to let the child die. It is the mistaken notion that life is more important than reducing suffering that leads to keeping alive a child that is trying very hard to die. Yha, I'd coose death for myself in that situation, yes I would choose death for my daughter in that situation.
 
2006-11-14 3:17:45 PM  
logistic: wipe blood and yeast from your own 30 year old daughters infected cath-insertion site on a daily basis

Now THAT is love. Doing it, not necessarily choosing to put them through it.

This is why I deal with machines. It's not God's work, but nobody goes home dead if I fark up.
 
2006-11-14 3:18:58 PM  
crunchyfist: But you also get to live.

I'll add another FU to the growing list of people that know you, and people who think like you, are a root cause of evil in this world.
 
2006-11-14 3:25:58 PM  
logistic: As a nurse

Do you have to wear the scrubs, or do they let you wear the mini-skirt?
 
2006-11-14 3:44:47 PM  
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: logistic: As a nurse

Do you have to wear the scrubs, or do they let you wear the mini-skirt?


You'd hit it, wouldn't you, 5000_gallons_of_toothpaste?
 
2006-11-14 3:53:19 PM  
Holy hell... Just as I planned on getting some sleep I see this thread. The church of England is full of idiots, but then again so are most other churches.

/disabled and proud of it
 
2006-11-14 3:57:44 PM  
disabled and proud of it

It ain't about disabled, smitty lied to you.
 
2006-11-14 4:00:52 PM  
crunch-o-matic: It ain't about disabled

Eh? From the article bishop representing the national church has now sparked controversy by arguing that there are occasions when it is compassionate to leave a severely disabled child to die.
 
2006-11-14 4:06:06 PM  
crunch-o-matic

It ain't about disabled, smitty lied to you.

I read the article, and I'm with wepsi on this one. It is a big mistake to not include the disabled community in this discussion, and it is disturbing that cost seems to be one of the primary considerations of the new policies. But the article needs more specific information on what exactly the new policies cover as far as who gets to live.

/bad article
//bad headline
///bad submitter
 
2006-11-14 4:10:43 PM  
There was an article some months ago about a disabled girl. The doctors wanted to turn off her life-support, since she wouldn't ever survive without it. Parents said no, and won. This was also in Britain. I remembered this because the girl in question has the same disability as I do, just a little more severe form.
 
2006-11-14 4:10:56 PM  
MasFina [TotalFark] - If morality is about reducing human suffering, then the moral thing to do is to let the child die.

Indeed, if that's the test, the moral thing to do is kill everyone.
 
2006-11-14 5:02:15 PM  
submitter: What, no medical experiments first?

That ruins the flavor, and then you can't make soup with them.
 
2006-11-14 5:36:14 PM  
Hey, 'scuse me whilst I piss gasoline on the fire in here and suggest the same tactic be applied at the other end of the age spectrum.

'course, I'm 37 and will probably change my mind in 20-30 years.......
 
2006-11-14 5:41:07 PM  
Why would we need to conduct medical experiments on "disabled" babies when there are whole schools full of "able-bodied" teenagers we can wax first?

/lawn. off it.
 
2006-11-14 6:12:31 PM  
Farkeologist
Hey, 'scuse me whilst I piss gasoline on the fire in here and suggest the same tactic be applied at the other end of the age spectrum.

'course, I'm 37 and will probably change my mind in 20-30 years.......


Take your pick:
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or

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2006-11-14 6:20:37 PM  
cake or death?
 
2006-11-14 6:22:23 PM  
sounds like the cake ran out.
 
2006-11-14 6:22:40 PM  
Sounds like the Church of England has gone pro choice.
 
2006-11-14 6:22:42 PM  
UK Disabled Peoples Council spokeswoman Simone Aspis said... dahhhhhh... baaaaaaaaa..... eeeeeeee mmmmmmmmmmmm K? poooooooooo poooooooooo fuuuuuuuuuuuuny.

(retards are funny)
 
2006-11-14 6:23:25 PM  
I would like to live. That is my desire. For the record. There are always going to be different sides to these issues...this is my side.
 
2006-11-14 6:23:52 PM  
MsStressa


"Theeeerrre izzz noooooo saaaaaaaaaannnnnccctuuuuuuuaaaaarrrryyy"

/damn good movie.
 
2006-11-14 6:23:54 PM  
is this like the Population Control Trifecta day or something?
 
2006-11-14 6:24:30 PM  
I am particularly well qualified to address this issue, as I used to be a newborn baby.

With that said, let it be known that I would prefer having a short and miserable life to having a long and miserable life.
 
2006-11-14 6:25:55 PM  
The Church of England has broken with tradition dogma by calling for doctors to be allowed to let sick newborn babies die.

Christians have long argued that life should preserved at all costs - but a bishop representing the national church has now sparked controversy by arguing that there are occasions when it is compassionate to leave a severely disabled child to die.


Church of England Christians or Christians in general? Because I see a lot of them here in America that are fine killing criminals. If anything by keeping someone on life support and putting a tube in them so that they may live, well, seems like defying god. If your god made the decision to have this baby come back to him there must be a good reason.

/But what do I know, I'm an atheist.
 
2006-11-14 6:26:01 PM  
Badafuco

You beat me!

"too bad we're out of cake"
 
2006-11-14 6:26:25 PM  
Phil Moskowitz: sounds like the cake ran out.

I'll have the chicken then.
 
2006-11-14 6:26:37 PM  
Outta cake... Shoulda got there earlier.

/Wonder if I can get the chicken...?
 
2006-11-14 6:27:09 PM  
Did they get the idea from the State of Texas?

Good old Culture of Life, courtesy of Governor Dubya.
 
2006-11-14 6:27:33 PM  
Hmmm.... no "Matrix" references yet. Farkers are slipping.
 
2006-11-14 6:27:55 PM  
I'll allow it.
 
2006-11-14 6:28:22 PM  
submitter: What, no medical experiments first?

ArcadianRefugee: That ruins the flavor, and then you can't make soup with them.

Vegetable soup, I assume?

/aisle
 
2006-11-14 6:30:16 PM  
Where do you draw the line? How do you define "severely disabled"?
IMHO it is a very slippery slope.
 
2006-11-14 6:30:17 PM  
Here is a 'real' opinion from someone who pays way to much in taxes. If you can afford the tard, let it die.

Sorry, but I'm against any type of forced handouts (public assistance, medical assistance, etc). If you're poor in America, you shouldn't have what rich people have.

Suck it up or get a job.
 
2006-11-14 6:30:35 PM  
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"I'm Eddie Izzard, and I approve this thread-jacking."
 
2006-11-14 6:32:10 PM  
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Perfectly logical!!!!
 
2006-11-14 6:32:24 PM  
I need to get a formal living will written, although all of my family members no my wishes should I be severely brain damaged and unable to live off of life-support, unable to feed myself, etc. Pull the damn plug. I'd only be a goddamn husk, not the person they all know and love.

Assisted suicide should ALWAYS be an option. Tribal societies always allowed it. When you could no longer contribute, and where merely a burden, you decided to go and walk off into the wilderness and die a noble death. Thats how I'd rather go, or quietly in my sleep. Not confined to a bed or chair, drooling and brain-dead for the rest of my life.

Oh and yea, I'd rather be allowed to die at birth than live a short and miserable life with a condition that caused me to be in severe pain for my entire life.
 
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