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(Some Guy)   In what may be seen as an obvious admission to poorly implemented bloatware, Microsoft prohibits benchmarking of Vista OS   ( pcworld.idg.com.au) divider line
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2006-11-01 04:02:56 PM  
...and in other news, in concurrent benchmark function tests (running hard drive while doing math and displaying web page info, etc) a 2kPro machine will outrun even the best Linux machine on the same hardware.

Suck it: Stick it in your mouth!
Suck it: Stick it in your mouth!
Suck it: Stick it in your mouth!
2006-11-01 04:10:19 PM  

I wasn't kidding when I said above that Amarok is the best music player ever made. It is really that good. Do yourself a favor and check it out. It fetches lyrics, it gets album covers from Amazon. It uses MusicBrainz for tagging. It is integrated with LastFM. It gets Artist info from Wikipedia. It works with your Ipod, it is not bloated. It will polish your car and give you a hand job at the same time.

I love it. I would marry it.
2006-11-01 04:49:21 PM  
The Icelander: But there's something to be said for having that lifeline to the manufacturer.

How many people actually call Microsoft directly for help?
And how many actually get it?
2006-11-01 04:55:39 PM  
Beemer: Abelian Groupie: I installed Ubuntu, but I got rid of it when I realised that it doesn't have any media player software available for it that comes anywhere near Winamp.

My 12-year-old is biatching about this on the machine I gave him with Ubuntu on it. Anyone have recommendations for a specific player?

,a href="http://www.xmms.org/about.php">XMMS is a good choice for anyone who is accustomed to using Winamp.
It'll even accept Winamp skins.
2006-11-01 04:56:24 PM  
Crap. Damn html.

2006-11-01 04:58:48 PM  
The Icelander: Other than gaming, Macs are at least on equal footing with Windows boxes in all respects, if not better. Their switch to Intel will help them on this front as well.

NOT if they don't allow it to work on all hardware. The problem with keeping it to apple labeled hardware is that the "average" PC user is not going to switch a an apple so he can run osx. Now if that same user can walk into best buy and pick up osx off the shelf and load it up on his existing PC then they could easily raise their presence in the market place. Again, until that happens, they will always be low man on the totem pole.
2006-11-01 05:17:09 PM  
You 'nix geeks need to quit farking around on here and get to work making a GUI and OS managment system that rivals the ease of use of Winders.
2006-11-01 05:51:51 PM  
xero69: You 'nix geeks need to quit farking around on here and get to work making a GUI and OS management system that rivals the ease of use of Winders.

Mandriva comes pretty damned close...all that's missing is 5.1 sound support that works, but this is a universal Linux issue. No distros have 5.1 support for anything other than Creative Labs sound cards and even that is spotty at best.
2006-11-01 06:24:53 PM  
So don't benchmark the OS; benchmark a select group of computers' abilities to run various OSes.

That is, compare how well they run Linux, how well they run Windows 98, how well they run Windows XP, and how well they run Vista, never combining the results from two or more OSes on the same page. The reader can then come to their own conclusions.
2006-11-01 07:04:09 PM  
gasconading_sesquipedalian: OMG M$ IS TEH EVILZ! I use windows 3.0 and it does EVERYTHING I need it to do, and no one should need a later version. and if you can't compile a linux kernel, you have no business using a computer anyway.

Lame troll; you made the mistake of mixing up your stereotypes. I can't recall the last time I heard a Linux fanatic saying everyone should use Windows 3.0. They'd probably suggest you should format that old 386's drive and install Xubuntu instead :-)

Windows 3.0 was a horrid POS anyway; it might have improved upon MS-DOS, but then again so would a ZX81 with a wobbly 16K RAM pack. The multitasking was a PITA (wait 3 minutes for telnet to give you back control of your computer when it can't connect? The ******* Amiga could do better than that in 1985...)
2006-11-01 07:08:32 PM  

Not that you were replying to me, but lol. I don't want something that fetches lyrics, I don't want something that fetches album covers, I don't have any idea what LastFM is, I don't want something that gets information from Wikipedia, I don't own an Ipod and I don't own a car.

/But if it really can give me a handjob I might consider it.
2006-11-01 07:15:52 PM  
Abelian Groupie: I installed Ubuntu, but I got rid of it when I realised that it doesn't have any media player software available for it that comes anywhere near Winamp.

Go to add/remove programs and install XMMS.
2006-11-01 07:23:06 PM  
This is not news. Virtually all MS software has included this as part of the EULA for YEARS.

Go read your old EULAs. you will see.
2006-11-01 07:29:57 PM  
Dahnch: I'll eventually get around to trying to install Ubunto with a mouse, but locking up with no feedback is completely unaceptable. So the hype about Ubunto being an easy way to use Linux is just hype. Slackware and Debian are easier, and don't claim to be.

Interesting. Maybe you have odd hardware. Ubuntu installed on my laptop just fine... even detected the builtin wireless, sound, pointing device, etc. In terms of installation and setup, Debian and Slack are the worst.
2006-11-01 08:18:23 PM  
Wow. Like 3 people RTFA - yes, you can benchmark, but you just have to document and back up what you say.. you know, for those kind of people that like to ignorantly smear Microsoft and say unsubstantiated things... hmm, just like like fark thread!!
2006-11-02 01:51:17 AM  
FuturePastNow: Vista on its own used about 450 megs of RAM. It was better than XP on 128MB.

That's by design. Vista approaches memory use completely differently than previous MS OSes. Basically, you have to stop thinking of system memory as a resource, and start thinking of it as a cache like the level 1 and level 2 cache on your CPU.

Think of it this way: Now that MS has made system ram into a memory cache there is now more space availble for the system to load data into memory. This means that the primary function of a memory cache--to populate itself with data and when called upon, to deliver it at a high rate of speed--can now happen to a greater extent. This really reduces the need to access the paging file or the hard drive in general (where you take the greatest performance hit on your machine) so overall performance is increased.
2006-11-02 07:32:13 AM  
I dunno. Vista runs exceptionally smooth on a p4 2.8ghz with 1gb ram and radeon 9800 video using the full aero interface dealie. Not bad considering it is a 4? year old computer.

Yet another Bill & Ted homie...You had to do some time travel to get a P4 2.8G with a Radeon 9800 and it be 4 yrs old. The rest of us had to wait another 2-3 yrs.
2006-11-02 09:12:26 AM  

Winamp, not Winamp 2. XMMS is like going back to 2002 or whenever.
2006-11-02 11:04:42 AM  
Sorry guys, but companies use microsoft software for a reason and it so happens their primary criteria is not 'what will IT department think?' because despite what the IT department tends to think, the IT department is not the center of the company.

Windows sucks compared to the imaginary perfect software that you dream up, compared to the actual software that exists, it's the best (most cost effective) for most purposes - which is why most people use it. TA DA!

/I'm sorry but no one who isn't a tech person who regularly wanks to slashdot wants to fark with linux command lines. That it's all open source and that some swedish guy with a funny haircut invented it and he's totally awesome is not a consideration.
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