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Coolhaus
2006-08-28 4:07:53 PM  
I hear the primer is pretty easy to make an indentation in.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:11:16 PM  
Coolhaus: I hear the primer is pretty easy to make an indentation in.

LOL!

As the writer pointed out, pushing this law is about as dump as saying license plates can prove who's driving the car.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:11:51 PM  
Or dumb. Dumb works too, if you don't like dump.

Yeesh...
 
Kim Jong B Illin
2006-08-28 4:12:18 PM  
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Been there, Done That.
 
General Specific
2006-08-28 4:12:23 PM  
I can see the argument against this, but since such this would only be relevant when the gun is used illegally the point is moot submitter. Yes, real criminals will get guns that don't stamp numbers, but it will keep John Q. Self Defense Gun Owner from deciding to rob a bank one day after he sees it done on a TV show.
 
RyoShin
2006-08-28 4:13:05 PM  
Hooray for California, where only the criminals and cops can have guns.
 
DoBeDoBeDo [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:14:51 PM  
General Specific: Self Defense Gun Owner from deciding to rob a bank one day after he sees it done on a TV show.

You do realize that 99% of bank robberies occur with no shots being fired right? So this wouldn't prevent that at all.
 
RyoShin
2006-08-28 4:14:55 PM  
General Specific: es, real criminals will get guns that don't stamp numbers, but it will keep John Q. Self Defense Gun Owner from deciding to rob a bank one day after he sees it done on a TV show.

The point is that it's absurd. You could attach something to the gun to collect the shell casings as they are ejected.

Would you even be able to stamp the casings as they are being fired? Wouldn't that cause a problem, because you'd have to wait for part of a second while the casing is stamped and THEN fired?
 
SchlingFo
2006-08-28 4:16:27 PM  
General Specific,

Yes, real criminals will get guns that don't stamp numbers, but it will keep John Q. Self Defense Gun Owner from deciding to rob a bank one day after he sees it done on a TV show.

No, it won't.

People that use guns to rob banks nowadays are the most ignorant of the ignorant. They're dumb enough that they're not going to consider that the gun can imprint its serial number on bullets.

People that actually shoot guns to rob banks nowadays....well, I guess they'd make good doorstops or paperweights because there's zero brain activity going on.

The type of person that's going to go through the rigamarole of getting a handgun legally in california has a healthy respect for the law and isn't going to go out robbing banks willy-nilly.
 
albo
2006-08-28 4:19:55 PM  
revolvers. criminals will soon love them some revolvers
 
BXRWXR
2006-08-28 4:20:03 PM  
RyoShin: Would you even be able to stamp the casings as they are being fired? Wouldn't that cause a problem, because you'd have to wait for part of a second while the casing is stamped and THEN fired?

Is slowing down the rate of fire a little bit such a bad thing?
 
AnthraxRipple
2006-08-28 4:21:45 PM  
I just found out yesterday that you can easily tell from looking at a spent casing whether it was fired from a Glock.
 
DoBeDoBeDo [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:22:30 PM  
BXRWXR: Is slowing down the rate of fire a little bit such a bad thing?


Depends it could quite possibly cause the shooter to mis-aim making the gun less safe than it would have been to start with.
 
BizarreRecords
2006-08-28 4:22:55 PM  
The CraneMeister


LOL!

As the writer pointed out, pushing this law is about as dump as saying license plates can prove who's driving the car.

yeah, cuz its not like any criminals are ever caught by tracing their license plates....

"LOL"
 
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste
2006-08-28 4:23:11 PM  
Finally! A law that helps combat shell casing littering! After you shoot someone, you had better pick your god damned shells up!
 
AnthraxRipple
2006-08-28 4:23:28 PM  
This really wouldn't be hard, but it would be more easily filed down than the serial number.
 
Programmer Cat
2006-08-28 4:23:42 PM  
BXRWXR: Is slowing down the rate of fire a little bit such a bad thing?

Let's put you in a situation where fractions of a second could mean the difference between your survival and your death, and let you see for yourself whether or not reducing the rate of fire is a smart idea.
 
Programmer Cat
2006-08-28 4:25:34 PM  
albo: revolvers. criminals will soon love them some revolvers

Not to mention sawed-off shotguns, derringers, short swords, knives, brass knuckles, baseball bats, hammers, etc. Some people just don't get it: if a person is bent on harming others, then depriving him of access to guns won't stop him from using a different weapon.
 
Caliman
2006-08-28 4:27:27 PM  
I don't think you can assume this would slow the rate of fire. Can't RTFA, my DNS never heard of the linked domain.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:27:48 PM  
BXRWXR: Is slowing down the rate of fire a little bit such a bad thing?

Rate of fire /= delay after pulling the trigger. This idea would make handguns about as easy to use as a flintlock rifle.

Let's just stipulate that a primary consumer of handguns is police departments and that it might not be a good idea to make it hard for cops to do their jobs, hm?
 
coyote71
2006-08-28 4:29:59 PM  
What about a law that would require all gun owners to write their gun's serial numbers on the shells with a sharpie before loading it?
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:30:18 PM  
Programmer Cat: depriving him of access to guns won't stop him from using a different weapon

The real issue is this: You can't deprive anyone of access to a gun. If you really want one and don't care about whether it's illegal, you'll get it.

That's the mistake California's making here: Gun laws don't--and shouldn't--exist with any serious hope of stopping someone from getting a gun. They exist to provide the means for prosecution if and when someone USES a gun illegally.

If that's the case, 99.9 percent of gun laws do nothing but harass law-abiding citizens.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:32:31 PM  
coyote71: What about a law that would require all gun owners to write their gun's serial numbers on the shells with a sharpie before loading it?

Only if the law also requires them to write the serial numbers on their victims with the same Sharpie, then get both notarized.
 
BXRWXR
2006-08-28 4:35:01 PM  
What if it stamped them before you pulled the trigger then, say before the ammo was loaded?
 
rockhound [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:36:14 PM  
As if someone who is willing to use a gun to commit a crime is worried about any legal penalties involved in altering the serial number stamping mechanism.

Hell, I'm a law-abiding gun owner and I would consider altering it. Just to prevent the inevitable nightmares with feed and extraction this will cause when it gets dirty.
 
RyoShin
2006-08-28 4:37:31 PM  
coyote71: What about a law that would require all gun owners to write their gun's serial numbers on the shells with a sharpie before loading it?

And so they do that, and switch out the clip with unmarked shells (or someone else's marked shells), or just write the wrong number...
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:39:04 PM  
BXRWXR: What if it stamped them before you pulled the trigger then, say before the ammo was loaded?

Eh? How exactly is a handgun supposed to stamp a serial number on bullets before the bullets get put in the gun? Magic?
 
KickahaOta
2006-08-28 4:39:37 PM  
I support a variant of this law: All lobbyists must stamp their serial numbers on politicians as they're bribed.
 
RyoShin
2006-08-28 4:40:07 PM  
BXRWXR: What if it stamped them before you pulled the trigger then, say before the ammo was loaded?

You mean stamp them while they're still in the clip? You run into the same problems for the sharpie idea. Also, adding such a mechanism to a firearm would greatly increase the bulk.

The CraneMeister: then get both notarized.

In triplicate.
 
BXRWXR
2006-08-28 4:42:35 PM  
No - before they were put in the gun.

You'd have to register and sign for them or something when you picked them up at the gun store.
 
BXRWXR
2006-08-28 4:43:18 PM  
They's already be marked and registered to the owner.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:43:23 PM  
KickahaOta: All lobbyists must stamp their serial numbers on politicians as they're bribed.

Stamp? Nah. I would vote for this only if they got branded.

On the forehead.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-08-28 4:47:09 PM  
BXRWXR: You'd have to register and sign for them or something when you picked them up at the gun store.

Again: When and where does this stamping occur? At the factory?

Welcome to Nanny State, where ammo costs $25 a round and has to be ordered three weeks ahead of time.

Oh, by the way: Snarkiness aside, that would not stop, say, S&W .40 cal rounds stamped with a particular gun's serial number from being fired by any one of thousands of other guns.

Unless the rounds also had some kind of computer chip security or something.

I know: How about a law where guns won't fire at all. If you want to shoot someone, you call a state representative, who comes and investigates the situation. If your request to shoot is approved, he unlocks your gun for you.
 
BXRWXR
2006-08-28 4:51:24 PM  
The CraneMeister: Welcome to Nanny State, where ammo costs $25 a round and has to be ordered three weeks ahead of time.

Oh, by the way: Snarkiness aside, that would not stop, say, S&W .40 cal rounds stamped with a particular gun's serial number from being fired by any one of thousands of other guns.

Unless the rounds also had some kind of computer chip security or something.

I know: How about a law where guns won't fire at all. If you want to shoot someone, you call a state representative, who comes and investigates the situation. If your request to shoot is approved, he unlocks your gun for you.

I didn't think responsible gun owners had an issue with any of that because it can't happen because they're responsible gun owners.

Wait. Was that just a tautology?
 
towatchoverme
2006-08-28 4:53:50 PM  
I think everyone should be as heavily armed as possible at all times. Only then will we be safe.
 
Pope George Ringo
2006-08-28 4:54:35 PM  
this is better than the $50-tax-per-bullet idea
 
cbm5
2006-08-28 5:12:04 PM  
It would be very easy to stamp a number on the casing, simply etch the code in the side of the chamber somewhere and the explosive power of the gun will do the rest.
 
hillbillypharmacist
2006-08-28 5:13:42 PM  
Gun control in such a fashion will never be practical or effective. I can understand the sentiment to reduce the number of guns to responsible citizens, but silly things like this won't do a damn thing. More creative measures will have to be implemented, or more likely, we'll just have to live with gun violence.

The best solution is to reach a state where theft is simply not worth anyone's time, which means having an education, being invested in the community, being able to get a job making a living wage, having something to lose.
 
dbaggins
2006-08-28 5:29:09 PM  

this is better than the $50-tax-per-bullet idea


nah, I like the Chris Rock "$5000-a-bullet" solution.
 
ChicagoKev
2006-08-28 5:29:23 PM  
The CraneMeister:Let's just stipulate that a primary consumer of handguns is police departments and that it might not be a good idea to make it hard for cops to do their jobs, hm?

Sounds good, except the "unsafe handgun" law (CA code sections 12126 and 12130) explicitly exempts law enforcement. Police officers can buy non-compliant firearms, both agencies and also individual officers for their own use:
The sale or purchase of any pistol, revolver or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, if the pistol, revolver, or other firearm is sold to, or purchased by, the Department of Justice, any police department, any sheriff's official, any marshal's office, the Youth and Adult Correctional Agency, the California Highway Patrol, any district attorney's office, or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties. Nor shall anything in this section prohibit the sale to, or purchase by, sworn members of these agencies of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
 
LurkinFarker
2006-08-28 5:31:01 PM  
hillbillypharmacist

The best solution is to reach a state where theft is simply not worth anyone's time, which means having an education, being invested in the community, being able to get a job making a living wage, having something to lose.

Dude, what are you, some kind of freakin communist?
 
germaniac
2006-08-28 5:31:05 PM  
That dude's German sucks.
 
dbaggins
2006-08-28 5:31:10 PM  
It is kind of a reflex for a lot of farkers.

"Gun control measure X is stupid and can't work"

no matter what measure X is.

*shrug*

you should realize that most people are starting to tune you out.
 
Uncle Karl
2006-08-28 5:31:17 PM  
cbm5
Any idea like this will be very easy to defeat with tools bought at any hardware store. This is just another law that only the law abiding will follow.
 
skinink [OhFark]
2006-08-28 5:31:25 PM  
Hey man Jonathan Young from Omaha, Nebraska; nice shot.
 
captainktainer
2006-08-28 5:31:59 PM  
This will become practical in ten years, at which point it will be a reasonable measure. Until then, CA should just STFU and not try to break the Second Amendment.

/pro-Second Amendment gun-hating Christian Democrat
//made your head spin enough yet?
 
Smeggy Smurf
2006-08-28 5:32:01 PM  
This makes me glad I live in a civilized state. Idaho.
 
MajorGroove
2006-08-28 5:32:04 PM  
SchlingFo

The type of person that's going to go through the rigamarole of getting a handgun legally in california has a healthy respect for the law and isn't going to go out robbing banks willy-nilly.

Truer words have not been spoken.

/Californian
//Used to be anti-gun. . .'till I learned how to shoot.
 
Uncle Karl
2006-08-28 5:32:08 PM  
hillbillypharmacist
Best idea I have seen so far.
 
jjorsett
2006-08-28 5:34:18 PM  
The article is farkdotted, but if I recall correctly, they want to stamp both the shell casing AND the bullet. Anyone with a set of files, basic mechanical ability, and a little time could defeat this no sweat. What this really is is a gift by the bill's author to one of his campaign contributor buds, who oh-so-coincidently happens to own the company that licenses this technology.
 
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