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(Jerusalem Post)   This week: Hamas spokesman says Palestine always blames its problems on others and is afflicted with "the bacteria of stupidity." Next week: Hamas spokesman dies under mysterious circumstances   (jpost.com) divider line
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258 clicks; posted to Politics » on 28 Aug 2006 at 4:41 PM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2006-08-28 4:04:40 PM  
I believe all involved should step back and give these two groups the room to settle their differences. And supply ammo to both sides.
 
2006-08-28 4:20:47 PM  
Needs a hero tag...
 
2006-08-28 4:41:58 PM  
2late2baviking: I believe all involved should step back and give these two groups the room to settle their differences.

Which two groups? Hamas and the PLO?
 
2006-08-28 4:45:34 PM  
Won't be anything mysterious about it.

He'll be accused of conspiring with Israel, striped, beaten to death and dragged through the streets to the joyful jeers of screaming masses.
 
2006-08-28 4:45:35 PM  
I second the hero tag. Where is Thunder-dome when you need it?
2 groups of people enter. 1 group leaves. And gets the honor of killing Tina Turner!
 
2006-08-28 5:06:12 PM  
This guy has balls of steel.
 
2006-08-28 5:48:10 PM  
What happened to all the pro-palestinian farkers ? was it something he said ?
 
2006-08-28 5:48:57 PM  
Well, he's dead.
 
2006-08-28 6:15:07 PM  
A smart, clear thinking, progressive Hamas. Sounds like he could do a lot for Palestine and Gaza. Anyone want to start a betting pool as to how long he lasts?

dibs on Thursday.
 
2006-08-28 6:22:04 PM  
I say Friday
 
2006-08-28 6:46:20 PM  
I agree that the Palestinian guerrillas should stop giving Israel an excuse to oppress the Palestinian people, but this article seemed to say some funny things... For example,

"Dismissing Israel's responsibility for the growing state of anarchy and lawlessness in the Gaza Strip, Hamad said it was time for the Palestinians to embark on a soul-searching process to see where they erred."

Israel's overreactions, war crimes, and crimes against humanity are not the result of 'error' on the part of Palestinians- they're crimes by the state of Israel, and for them someone ought to be brought to justice by an international court!


Then in the next paragraph the author continues to blame the victim and show his lack of understanding of what happens in failed states.


"Hamad admitted that the Palestinians have failed in developing the Gaza Strip following the Israeli withdrawal and in imposing law and order."

Within a few months after the withdrawl, Israel was already beginning the collective punishment we now see in full force. If Israel had not bombed and invaded Palestine, then Gaza might have been able to start rebuilding.


"Please have mercy on Gaza. Have mercy on us from your demagogy, chaos, guns, thugs, infighting. Let Gaza breathe a bit. Let it live."

While we all wish this was possible, history shows it to be extremely unlikely to occur spontaneously in any failed state, barring extraordinary circumstances like a Ghandi (who Israel would almost certainly arrest or assassinate).
 
2006-08-28 7:17:00 PM  
I like how Randomino is giving such an unbiased and balanced impression. If only Palestine, and the world (wisconsin, where the F is that?) would be populated with more people like him, there would be instant peace and flower-farting puppies.

Or he could be infested with the bacteria of stupidity, you decide...
 
2006-08-28 8:42:18 PM  
Boinkers

If you have any actual reasons why what I say is wrong, you are free to bring them to my attention.
 
2006-08-28 9:05:55 PM  
That would not be possible since you are sounding like a mouthpiece for someone/thing else, I can sense no original thought in any of your comments from the day I started reading them. It's at least for me apparently totally pointless to even try. Your brain is not being used to process any information I might be able to provide you with anyway. This will be the first and only time I directly answer any of your posts.

/flame on
 
2006-08-28 9:14:15 PM  
Maybe you're just mad because you're wrong? It's much easier for you to just change your mind and become correct.
 
2006-08-28 9:18:21 PM  
Wow
 
2006-08-28 10:24:38 PM  
I'll probably regret to the end of days stepping into this, but OK, here:

If Israel had not bombed and invaded Palestine, then Gaza might have been able to start rebuilding.

When did this happen? Was it uprovoked?
 
2006-08-28 10:45:55 PM  
Speaker2Animals
Was it uprovoked?

That's irrelevent, if the goal is to stop the violence.
 
2006-08-29 1:29:19 AM  
RanDomino: That's irrelevent, if the goal is to stop the violence.

Un-farking-believable, Of course it is relevant. Spewing out tired slogans won't change that fact.

So this guy is contradicting your take on the situation, quite literally, so you are saying that he's, what, not sane ? finally some Hamas official has the balls to step up and take some personal responsibility so you're saying he's wrong ? you do know that this is the Hamas spokesman of the palestinian government right ? with all due respect he knows a bit more than you about the situation in gaza.

bacteria of stupidity indeed.
 
2006-08-29 2:42:23 AM  
TappingTheVein
Un-farking-believable, Of course it is relevant. Spewing out tired slogans won't change that fact.

Suppose it's faction X's fault. oh, well, in that case we should do (action)! No, it doesn't work that way. When dealing with a failed state situation, assigning blame is futile. The only thing that matters is finding a resolution to the pandemoneum, and the only way for that to happen is for Israel to man up, withdraw, and suck up a few attacks without retaliating. Israel has never tried this and I believe it stands a good chance of working, since the militants' motivation is revenge against Israel for the oppression of the Palestinians. Israel is the only actor who can accomplish this because it is a strong state in full control of its mental faculties.


So this guy is contradicting your take on the situation, quite literally, so you are saying that he's, what, not sane ?

No, just not educated enough to understand the situation.


finally some Hamas official has the balls to step up and take some personal responsibility so you're saying he's wrong ?

Yes, exactly. This violence isn't Hamas's fault, it's the result of a failed state situation. Instead of Hamas any other group could be in power and the situation would be the same.


you do know that this is the Hamas spokesman of the palestinian government right ? with all due respect he knows a bit more than you about the situation in gaza.

He may have more experience with Gaza's particular situation, but that doesn't give him more knowledge of failed states or how people act in failed state situations.
 
2006-08-29 3:07:35 AM  
RanDomino: Suppose it's faction X's fault. oh, well, in that case we should do (action)! No, it doesn't work that way.

It works exactly that way, if you want your civilians to stay alive.

When dealing with a failed state situation, assigning blame is futile. The only thing that matters is finding a resolution to the pandemoneum, and the only way for that to happen is for Israel to man up, withdraw, and suck up a few attacks without retaliating. Israel has never tried this and I believe it stands a good chance of working

It is not futile, quite the opposite, it's the first step in the right direction. Israel has withdrawn from Gaza, and as a sign of good faith the palestinians came up with the idea of "lets kill more jews", this time it's easier since we are closer to major cities. And as the spokesman of the palestinian government himself says quite clearly, they are a major factor in their state of sucktitude.
Israel has been "sucking up a few attacks without retaliating", right after the start of the second Intifadah, how the palestinian reacted ? by commiting one of the largest terrorist attacks in Israel, murdering children in the "Dolphinarium massacre", but don't let facts confuse you !

No, just not educated enough to understand the situation.

Again, you don't seem to be aware of how delusional your response here is. The Hamas spokesman of the palestinian government does not understand the situation in Gaza, but you do. You should try standup comedy.

Yes, exactly. This violence isn't Hamas's fault, it's the result of a failed state situation. Instead of Hamas any other group could be in power and the situation would be the same.

Farking hilarious. The people you are defending openly and very clearly contradict you, but you know better than them. It must be taking quite in effort to remain in this state of denial.

He may have more experience with Gaza's particular situation, but that doesn't give him more knowledge of failed states or how people act in failed state situations.

Please go on, farking priceless.
 
2006-08-29 8:38:37 AM  
"Flower-Farting Puppy"

I like that. Might have to change my nick or somefffftt.
 
2006-08-29 3:41:07 PM  
TappingTheVein
It works exactly that way, if you want your civilians to stay alive.

The only way to stop the attacks is to end the conflict, and the only way to do that is for Israel to stop oppressing the Palestinians.


sign of good faith

That shows your collosal ignorance of the situation. It just doesn't work that way. The reduction in violence will not come instantly- that only occurs when there is a strong state or other government-like organization controlling the militants, which there is not.


Israel has been "sucking up a few attacks without retaliating", right after the start of the second Intifadah

Sorry, when did Israel end the occupation and oppression, exactly? When did they remove the illegal settlements? When did they change the path of the Wall to be entirely on Israeli land? When did they remove the checkpoints from Palestinian territory? When did Israel release all Palestinian prisoners whose rights have been violated?


Farking hilarious.

So you have no actual reasons why I'm wrong, then?
Your argument would be like trying to say a firefighter knows more about the physics behind radiation than a physics student, because, after all, he's observed more of it first-hand.
 
2006-08-30 1:37:03 AM  
RanDomino: The only way to stop the attacks is to end the conflict, and the only way to do that is for Israel to stop oppressing the Palestinians.

You'll be surprised then to find out that those who call themselves palestinians were actually attempting a couple of genocides and killing israelis in general before there was any occupation, before any "oppressed palestinians", how about addressing this fact ? how about addressing the "Israel itself is the occupation" thing which the palestinians chant all the time ? again, your spewing bullshiat is amusing.

That shows your collosal ignorance of the situation. It just doesn't work that way. The reduction in violence will not come instantly- that only occurs when there is a strong state or other government-like organization controlling the militants, which there is not.

Well, as someone who lived in Israel for three decades and actually know more palestinians than you will meet in a lifetime, and you'll be surprised what sort of things they say in person, allow me to repeat my previous assertion: you are delusional. The palestinian chaos is their fault, the fact that they are too inept and corrupt to control their groups of thugs is their fault. It is quite obvious as this guy, which is extremely brave, admits. Lets hope he'll be the first of many. Also the palestinians don't wish to control their militants, mainly because their militants control the palestinians, the palestinians made sure it'll happen by voting a genocide-bent religious terrorist group to do so.

Sorry, when did Israel end the occupation and oppression, exactly? When did they remove the illegal settlements?

You mentioned Israel should "suck in a few attacks" which they did as you obviously didn't know about. Israel ended the occupation in Gaza, i hope you are familiar by now on how the palestinians reacted. You are saying that if Israel leaves the West bank the palestinians will stop the violence ? the palestinians themselves claim the exact opposite. Their actions prove the exact opposite. Pulling out from the West bank without any agreement with the palestinians, for example on the "Israel must be destroyed" agenda, is quite moronic.

When did they change the path of the Wall to be entirely on Israeli land?

The wall that stops 99% attacks from the West Bank ? when the palestinians stop attempting to murder israelis. The wall can be altered and it was in the past.

When did they remove the checkpoints from Palestinian territory?

The checkpoints that save israeli lives on a daily basis ? read above.

When did Israel release all Palestinian prisoners whose rights have been violated?

When they stop violating the rights of israelis to live.

So you have no actual reasons why I'm wrong, then?

I think i was quite clear. I said it a few times already: You are being delusional when you claim to understand the situation better than this guy, saying that he is wrong.

Your argument would be like trying to say a firefighter knows more about the physics behind radiation than a physics student, because, after all, he's observed more of it first-hand.

A firefighter knows more about fire, how it starts and what it does to you than a physics student. Your arrogance and bullshiat is amusing.
 
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