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(Yahoo)   A whole passel o' writers point out that Bush usually does what he thinks is the right thing to do. For some reason, This Is a Bad Thing. In related news, politicians who generally do things they think are wrong are still just fine   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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I_C_Weener [TotalFark]
2006-08-23 11:02:17 AM  
Intent is irrelevant to perception, submitter. If Bush cured cancer, solved the energy problem, gave all his money to charity, and gave blood every day for the rest of his life, many would still consider him a puppet without a conscience. If he started nuclear war with Russia, slept with dogs, and ate a live baby on live TV, many would still consider him a compassionate conservative.

But, you are right, the writers like to be the story.
 
towatchoverme
2006-08-23 11:04:24 AM  
I think the passel's piece is understanding.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-08-23 11:07:41 AM  
towatchoverme: I think the passel's piece is understanding.

?
 
pontechango
2006-08-23 11:09:48 AM  
It's a Bad Thing because Bush has no regard for THINKING.
 
Unright
2006-08-23 11:17:01 AM  
So Bush isn't a bad President because... he meant well?

/WTF?
 
stevecody
2006-08-23 11:29:54 AM  
Bull shiat. Bush does what he thinks will be profitable for his supporters. Everything he has done since 2001 was to make more money for his corporate owners. EVERYTHING!
 
BooBoo23
2006-08-23 11:31:52 AM  
These aren't moral failings, or a failure to stand up for what he believes in. He simply doesn't believe in a number of principles that used to define conservatism.

And so it begins.. "The conservative agenda isn't busted! It's just not working because we didn't elect somebody who's conservative enough.
 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark]
2006-08-23 11:40:29 AM  
stevecody
Bull shiat. Bush does what he thinks will be profitable for his supporters. Everything he has done since 2001 was to make more money for his corporate owners. EVERYTHING!

Even the choking on the pretzel thing?
 
Slaxl
2006-08-23 11:46:50 AM  
By choking on the pretzel he gave his friends in the potato chip industry a boost.
 
gilgigamesh
2006-08-23 11:47:06 AM  
I think if you can consider Bush brilliant at anything, its his skill to convince people that an effite multimillionaire with New England roots who doesn't care about anyone except his other multimillionaire buddies is some kind of average Texas Joe who would fit right in at the ole backyard Sunday barbecue and is compassionate about the little guy.
 
Summerhouse
2006-08-23 12:05:48 PM  
If you made me construct a house, I would absolutely do what I BELIEVED to be the best thing at every turn. But you'd still have a house not safe to live in. Because I don't have the brains or the ability to construct a house.
 
ManRay
2006-08-23 12:06:11 PM  
Men often oppose a thing merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike.

-Alexander Hamilton
 
towatchoverme
2006-08-23 12:13:41 PM  
TheCraneMeister

Oh, come on, it's not that obscure.

Phillipians 4:7 ...
 
Sliding Carp [TotalFark]
2006-08-23 12:15:11 PM  
submitter: Bush usually does what he thinks is the right thing to do


So did Charles Manson.
 
Yesdog
2006-08-23 12:30:48 PM  
When someone screws up, they should:

1. Fess up. Admit that they made a mistake.
2. Fix it. Do what they can to repair the damage they did.
3. Change. Recognize what behavior led to the problem and change it.

Has Bush done any of this ever? A person's character is revealed with how they deal with adversity; by these indicators, Bush is simply a failure.
 
GurneyHalleck
2006-08-23 12:38:18 PM  
Throwing America into the garbage bin of history is only worth it if you truly believe you're going to make a shiatload of money out of it. And he is.
 
sigdiamond2000
2006-08-23 12:45:48 PM  
Yeah...Andrew Sullivan and David Weigel. They're just liberal America-haters with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

And a passel equals two.
 
Fart_Machine
2006-08-23 12:49:59 PM  
The problem is when Bush does what he things is the "right thing", bad things most often follow...

Not exactly a good track record for President.
 
Fart_Machine
2006-08-23 12:50:45 PM  
oops, should be "thinks" not "things"...
 
PedroWonStopVoting
2006-08-23 12:54:29 PM  
convoluted headline.
 
SurfaceTension [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-08-23 12:55:13 PM  
Summerhouse: If you made me construct a house, I would absolutely do what I BELIEVED to be the best thing at every turn. But you'd still have a house not safe to live in. Because I don't have the brains or the ability to construct a house.

Summerhouse wins the thread
 
This thread is GWB without pics
2006-08-23 12:55:38 PM  
Bush is Mr. Opposite with the anti-Midas touch.
 
Magorn [TotalFark]
2006-08-23 12:59:12 PM  
Bush does what he thinks is right. Kudos for that, full marks.


Minus several million however for being so intellectually uncurious that he never takes the time to test any of those deep seated beliefs about right and wrong against objective reality. Minus several million more for remaining Pig-ignorant about the very basic facts he needs to make anything approaching a correct decision.


For example:

Bush Had No idea that Islam even HAD two sects called Sunni And shiite until a meeting he had with iraqi exiles right before the invasion.
" Wait, I thought the Iraqis were Moslems" he said when being warned about potential sectarian problems between the two branches. SO he invaded Iraq with absolutely no understanding of the culture or History of the country, and utterly unrealistic expectations about what would happen next.

As a result we were completely unprepared for the post invasion insurgency and thousands of US soldiers and Tens of thousands of Iraqis have died for that mistake.

You want to praise him for doing what he thinks is right ? FIne. But have the intellectual honesty to damn him for being utterly uninformed and incompetent in how he carries out his decisions.


There's a reason Dante paved the Road to hell with Good intentions
 
unexplained bacon
2006-08-23 12:59:59 PM  
always doing what you think is right is a bad thing if what you think is right is most always wrong...get it?

/for those who think this guy should be admired for his honesty...he's the top politician in the land, you can't be that dumb.
 
milk_plus
2006-08-23 1:03:03 PM  
There is a chance that maybe true, but his judgment is terrible and he seems to have almost no idea as to what is going on around him.

This is just rehashing the central question of his presidency: is he screwing us over on purpose to aid his core supporters or is he just a screw-up?
 
Saiga410
2006-08-23 1:04:24 PM  
I cannot add anything the article did not say. I like having a president that actually does what he thinks is right. I dont completely agree with his stances but damnit he was elected to do the job and he has stuck with most of his messages.

/You shouldnt look for a puppet president.
//You should look for a honorable president
 
canyoneer
2006-08-23 1:12:49 PM  
Bush thought it was the "right thing to do" when he ordered the invasion and occupation of Iraq. You know what? F*ck him and his "right thing to do." He's a f*cking idiot, and he was dead wrong. As wrong as you can be. He should listen to more intelligent and learned people before he decides something is the "right thing to do," the f*cking moron.

I'm sure toddlers think it's the "right thing to do" when they get under the kitchen sink and drink Drano. So what?
 
Crunch_n_Munch
2006-08-23 1:14:03 PM  
Bush needs to adopt the George Costanza decision making philosphy.
 
Scrotastic Method
2006-08-23 1:16:41 PM  
Two problems with headline:

1) Accepting that he believed he was in the right, he has still failed miserably. Trying to do a job well but farking it up still leaves you with a farked-up job. Intent or no, he is a failure.

2) It is impossible to accept that his version of "right" meshes with the population's version. As stated thousands of times in more detail than I can go into here, Bush has used his Presidency to further the interests and blolster the reserves of the very rich at the expense of all other Americans. If you defend Bush's decisions as "right" based on his perspective, than you have no idea what a President is supposed to be.

/President: a biatchin' CEO that desperately tries to avoid using the Commander-in-Chief title.
 
Tyee
2006-08-23 1:16:55 PM  
And he doesn't do things just because it will help him in the polls.
 
WalkingCarpet [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-08-23 1:18:10 PM  
Saiga410:

I cannot add anything the article did not say. I like having a president that actually does what he thinks is right. I dont completely agree with his stances but damnit he was elected to do the job and he has stuck with most of his messages.

I will never, ever understand this line of reasoning.
 
revskippy
2006-08-23 1:20:36 PM  
I think this pokes at a point which is inherently skewed in some views of the presidency versus the legislature.

People elect legislators so they will have a person who will listen to what they want and get laws put into place to make it happen.

People elect presidents because they want someone who will lead with conviction and do the "right thing", which sometimes isn't the popular will of the people.

Voting record influences legislative position voting the same way personality influences presidential voting. Look back and you'll see that the more the media is integrated into the electoral process the more we have elected people with "good face" and "charisma" to be our leaders. While many legislators still get hung out to dry based on their voting records.

It's like the difference between hiring technicians and managers. Legislators are the technicians of the government, the president is a manager, and the courts are the HR department making sure the techs and managers don't kill each other. We're the stockholders in the company, and it's customers.
 
ski_adk115
2006-08-23 1:21:04 PM  
We're talking about the leader of the United States, one of the most powerful men on the planet and he makes his decisions on "feelings"??? What about facts? What about precedents? What about popular opinion (we are supposed to be a representative democracy, right)? What about expert testimony? Nope, Bush needs none of that. God speaks in his ear, gives him fuzzy feelings and that's what Bush bases his decisions on. WTF!!!

People are committed to asylums for less crazy behaviour!
 
amoricanCrowe
2006-08-23 1:22:33 PM  
This is a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY, jackhole!

By your own admission, he has bucked the party platform in more ways than one, and the other 49% of the voting citizenry didn't want him already.

Who the fark does this guy represent other than himself?
 
El_Perro
2006-08-23 1:25:31 PM  
Tyee: And he doesn't do things just because it will help him in the polls.

O RLY??!?!!
 
Mr. Clarence Butterworth
2006-08-23 1:25:59 PM  
Jesus told Bush to strike at Saddam. Would Jesus lie?
 
Skleenar
2006-08-23 1:27:56 PM  
Saiga410: /You shouldnt look for a puppet president.
//You should look for a honorable president

You tell me when you find one. Because this one sure as hell isn't.
 
Skleenar
2006-08-23 1:28:42 PM  
And he is Cheney's puppet.
 
Saiga410
2006-08-23 1:31:20 PM  
Read the definition of honorable and get back to me
 
Skleenar
2006-08-23 1:38:03 PM  
Saiga410: Read the definition of honorable and get back to me

read the definition of "lies through his teeth", and get back to me.

NSA wiretaps? ("you see, wiretaps require warrants")
WMD in Iraq?
Plame? ("I will fire whoever was involved")

And on and on and on...
 
TheMightyJohn
2006-08-23 1:39:02 PM  
amoricanCrowe

Who the fark does this guy represent other than himself?

The richest 2% of the country, which is primarily made up of Cheap Labor Conservatives. He'll occasionally throw a bone to the religious right when he feels his poll numbers need a little pick-me-up.
 
Hang On Voltaire
2006-08-23 1:39:16 PM  
Magorn
Bush Had No idea that Islam even HAD two sects called Sunni And shiite until a meeting he had with iraqi exiles right before the invasion.
" Wait, I thought the Iraqis were Moslems" he said when being warned about potential sectarian problems between the two branches.

What is your source for this story?
 
robbinsc
2006-08-23 1:41:14 PM  
Saiga410

Okay! Just for you -

Main Entry: hon·or·able
Pronunciation: 'ä-n&r-(&-)b&l, 'än-r&-
Function: adjective
1 : deserving of honor
2 a : of great renown : ILLUSTRIOUS b : entitled to honor -- used as a title for the children of certain Brit
ish noblemen and for various government officials
3 : performed or accompanied with marks of honor or respect
4 a : attesting to creditable conduct b : consistent with an untarnished reputation
5 : characterized by integrity : guided by a high sense of honor and duty
synonym see UPRIGHT

1.) Deserving of honor? Hell no. High debt, wars we don't need to be in, loss of international respect, NSA spying, you name it - No honor to be had here.
2.) "Of great renown" - Sure, for being inept and even unable to speak/think ("I'm the decider" anyone)?
3.) No. He's not performing well at all, in fact, he's polling in the 30's
4.) "consistent with an untarnished reputation"? Again, no. Where was he during Vietnam? He's a C student who has problems with alcohol. Don't think so.

You can finish 5 for yourself. See where I'm going?
 
NateGrey
2006-08-23 1:42:16 PM  
Crunch_n_Munch: Bush needs to adopt the George Costanza decision making philosphy.


Exactly, I mentioned in another thread that when Republicans in charge think: "Hey this is a great idea, lets get started" someone in the room should say: "Hey, whoa there, how about we do the opposite since everything we have done in 6 years has been a disaster." If this philosophy was adopted, then its clear sailing for 2 years...if not...God help us...
 
SherKhan
2006-08-23 1:42:23 PM  
A foolish constituency is the knob-goblin' of little minds... or something.
 
Code_Archeologist
2006-08-23 1:44:09 PM  
A whole passel o' writers point out that Bush usually does what he thinks is the right thing to do. For some reason, This Is a Bad Thing.

Because he is usually wrong about it being the right thing to do. You would think that he would have come to the conclusion that he sucks at making decisions after his barely passing performance at Yale, all of his failed businesses, and the Texas Rangers.

Doing what you think is right is useless if you are not self aware of the result of your actions.
 
NateGrey
2006-08-23 1:46:34 PM  
Saiga410: I dont completely agree with his stances but damnit he was elected to do the job and he has stuck with most of his messages.


I am really curious as to what you agree with. I am not going to go through the list of failures of this man. So in an attempt to turn this thread positive please list some of the good things this President has done for this country while having "supreme" control (3 branches).
 
moops
2006-08-23 1:46:55 PM  
Republicans make decisions based on blind beliefs ("We're doing the right thing in Iraq") and unattainable ideals ("We'll win in Iraq, we'll end all abortions, we'll make all jihadists convert to Jesus")

That's why I vote Democratic.
 
Skleenar
2006-08-23 1:49:57 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: What is your source for this story?

The cited source is two of the attendees at the meeting.
 
TwoHead
2006-08-23 1:51:50 PM  
2006-08-23 01:42:23 PM SherKhan
A foolish constituency is the knob-goblin' of little minds... or something.

Thanks. I haven't added a new quote to my profile in ages, but this one definitely gets the nod.
 
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