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2006-08-18 11:00:01 PM  
Is there a correlation between religious faith and antisocial behavior?

Submitter means association, not correlation. Correlation is a measure of the strength of the linear relationship between two variables, and association is a way of describing if there is any kind of relationship at all.

\\so geeky
 
2006-08-18 11:02:15 PM  
Correlation does not equal causation.
 
2006-08-18 11:04:20 PM  
The answer, dear submitter is: absolutely not. Probably the inverse.
 
2006-08-18 11:12:51 PM  
lordargent Correlation does not equal causation.

I love you.

\\can't believe this got greenlit
 
2006-08-18 11:14:34 PM  
No, everyone can be an asshole.
 
2006-08-18 11:15:20 PM  
Yes. I've noticed that fundamentalist Christians are the most selfish and rude people ever. Seriously, keep an eye on the rudest drivers on the road and look for the Christian fish and crosses. They usually have the magnetic flag ribbons as well.
 
2006-08-18 11:15:55 PM  
In a word:


yes and no.
 
2006-08-18 11:18:33 PM  
IamPatSajak: "In a word:"

"yes and no."

That's cheating.

Eat More Possum: "The answer, dear submitter is: absolutely not. Probably the inverse."

I don't think that's it either. I'd say any strongly entrenched position on the issue of religion leads to antisocial behaviour.
 
2006-08-18 11:19:53 PM  
Religion doesn't necessarily make someone a jerk.

However, if an adult is so deluded as to believe in a fairy tale about a invisible man in the sky, you gotta ask yourself...

What other crazy stuff could this person make themselves believe?
 
2006-08-18 11:22:08 PM  
eddyatwork: Yes. I've noticed that fundamentalist Christians are the most selfish and rude people ever. Seriously, keep an eye on the rudest drivers on the road and look for the Christian fish and crosses. They usually have the magnetic flag ribbons as well.


On that note, you might find John Dean's "Conservatives Without Conscience" an interesting read, especially the part about the psychological profile of contemporary conservative Xtian leaders, their followers, and their attitude towards the unbelievers. It's a bit fo dry read, but once in a while, he codifies the points and really shines a necessary and all-too-rare light on the likes of Scooter Libby, Pat Robertson, and the rest of the Hard Right's standard-bearers.
 
2006-08-18 11:22:45 PM  
fo=of
 
2006-08-18 11:24:09 PM  
Is there a correlation between religious faith and antisocial behavior?

Only if you're a loser.
 
2006-08-18 11:31:16 PM  
i know there's a lot of religious people who are anti-socialIST, but anti-social?
 
2006-08-18 11:31:41 PM  
ArbitraryConstant: I'd say any strongly entrenched position on the issue of religion leads to antisocial behaviour.

You are completely wrong. It may lead to someone saying something you do not like, but as a whole religious people lead far less antisocial lives than non-religious.
 
2006-08-18 11:32:37 PM  
cerote an interesting read...It's a bit fo dry read

So which is it, good or dry?

Yesdog What other crazy stuff could this person make themselves believe?

Don't need to believe anything else.

eddyatwork Yes. I've noticed that fundamentalist Christians are the most selfish and rude people ever. Seriously, keep an eye on the rudest drivers on the road and look for the Christian fish and crosses. They usually have the magnetic flag ribbons as well.


I have found that the worst drivers are not the Christians, but the ones with the W sticker. The most arrogant are the Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker drivers. Just calling 'em as I see 'em. As far as selfish, most Christians are very generous when it comes to charity (not saying that non-Christians are not).
 
2006-08-18 11:37:21 PM  
Eat More Possum It may lead to someone saying something you do not like, but as a whole religious people lead far less antisocial lives than non-religious.

I'd like to add to the comment, which I do agree with, by the way. Many non-religious anti-social people end up in prison due to their actions. In prison they find religion and, when released, their actions are no longer as anti-social as before. So religion does have its pluses when it comes to that type of behavior.

A truly religious person (not a fundamentalist or zealot) does live by a set of rules that tend to be moral.
 
2006-08-18 11:40:25 PM  
Yes. While I believe in God, the more 'religious' people are, the more antisocial I behave towards them.
 
2006-08-18 11:48:14 PM  
cerote: you might find John Dean's "Conservatives Without Conscience" an interesting read

I'll have to keep an eye out for that.
 
2006-08-18 11:49:13 PM  
superdolfan1: A truly religious good person does live by a set of rules that tend to be moral.

How's that?

/religious
 
2006-08-18 11:57:46 PM  
Eat More Possum A truly religious good person does live by a set of rules that tend to be moral.

I won't disagree with that.
 
2006-08-18 11:59:43 PM  
superdolfan1: Don't need to believe anything else.

Oh, I get it. You just have to limit yourself to believing in only one deluded childish lie.
 
2006-08-19 12:06:03 AM  
Yesdog Oh, I get it. You just have to limit yourself to believing in only one deluded childish lie.

No, I don't *have to*. And why call it a lie? You're unable to disprove it as much as I'm able to prove it, so it's not really a lie, is it? You and I won't know the answer until we're both gone. Frankly, I'm not concerned about that time, are you?
 
2006-08-19 12:08:14 AM  
Yesdog: believing in only one deluded childish lie

No. I also belive in Santa.
 
2006-08-19 12:13:26 AM  
OK, OK, I give. Sorry for sounding like a dick, superdolfan1.
 
2006-08-19 12:18:14 AM  
cerote: On that note, you might find John Dean's "Conservatives Without Conscience" an interesting read, especially the part about the psychological profile of contemporary conservative Xtian leaders, their followers, and their attitude towards the unbelievers. It's a bit fo dry read, but once in a while, he codifies the points and really shines a necessary and all-too-rare light on the likes of Scooter Libby, Pat Robertson, and the rest of the Hard Right's standard-bearers.

I found the book to be facinating and it really explained why people behave the way they do. I found it very disheartening to learn that it is almost impossible to get someone who has those viewpoints to take a step back and look at themselves.
 
2006-08-19 12:22:37 AM  
Faith does make it easier to be elitist and judgemental.
 
2006-08-19 12:24:20 AM  
judgmental
 
2006-08-19 12:50:25 AM  
Antisocial behavior, or Antisocial Personality Disorder?

Most people are antisocial at times. APD is a different sort of bird altogether.
 
2006-08-19 12:51:41 AM  
Yes
 
2006-08-19 01:08:00 AM  
I think a definition of antisocial is in order to trully answer this question submitter. Do you mean antisocial as in robbing banks and stabbing random strangers, or antisocial as in if you don't believe in my religion your going to burn in hell and I'm going to kill you for it?
 
2006-08-19 01:13:08 AM  
stevenjay: I think a definition of antisocial is in order to trully answer this question submitter. Do you mean antisocial as in robbing banks and stabbing random strangers, or antisocial as in if you don't believe in my religion your going to burn in hell and I'm going to kill you for it?

anti-social != criminal

Antisocial = douchebaggary
 
2006-08-19 01:21:29 AM  
Mr. Anon: anti-social != criminal

Antisocial = douchebaggary


Under those definitions I would have to say yes, depending upon the religion, and denomination of said religion. I've never heard of Buddhists trying to convert Jews to the right path of salvation.
 
2006-08-19 01:28:58 AM  
Religious faith? Not necessarily.

Bimble-thumping, dispensationalist, tent-revivalist, anti-intellectual, judgmental, fire-and-brimstone American evangelical Christianity? You betcha.
 
2006-08-19 01:34:08 AM  
Clearly there is a fizzerk between glunk and pagoo.
 
2006-08-19 01:59:59 AM  
Correlation does not equal causation.

Ok, I'll get this out of the way now:

People who taught you that correlation does not equal causation lied to you!

Now, if you care to know more I shall elaborate:

First, someone tried to differentiate between correlation and association. They can be used interchangeably when you are using correlation to mean association (in which case there is no demonstration of cause). That is, you can say that "gender is correlated with weight." You have to code gender as numbers (1 and 2, for instance) but you can easily do a correlation on that.

The argument for correlations not equaling causation comes down to how the data was gathered, not the test used. So we generally mean that correlational research designs don't show cause (because their could be other extraneous variables). Even in this case, however, it is possible to control for most extraneous variables. These studies may not be 100% causal, but they can be pretty damn close.

If I demonstrate a perfect correlation between the number of times you say "fart-nugget" and the amount of speeding tickets you get in a year, then there may be no cause there, but you sure as hell shouldn't say "fart-nugget" unless you want a ticket.

Finally, a correlational analysis (e.g., Pearson's r) on experimentally obtained data can be used to show cause. In fact, any statistical test on experimentally obtained data can be used to show cause.

The moral: If you read that two things are correlated, don't spew out that correlation does not imply causation because there are exceptions.
 
2006-08-19 02:01:42 AM  
(Please note that I'm not saying that a correlation betwen religious faith and antisocial behaviors means that religion causes the antisocial behavior or that antisocial behavior causes religious beliefs...just talking about semantics of that annoying armchair statistics catch-phrase)
 
2006-08-19 02:18:04 AM  
gianisa : I love you.

Giggity giggity giggity.

/just got done watching SG-1, and falling asleep 1/2 way through Atlantis.
 
2006-08-19 02:22:46 AM  
On defining anti-social; for the sake of discussing this article, anti-social means something like...
"Acting in a manner contrary to reinforcing the social fabric and contribution to the common good."


I believe the relationship is mutually reinforcing.
Religiosity does encourage deprecation of social values, which leads to social unravelling, which leads to a generalized desperation, that in turn inspires fundamentalist religiosity.
And the vicious cycle continues.
 
2006-08-19 03:11:35 AM  
yo i went to church today and then i put my balls on some mark ass tricks fo-head. Word up to a mofuggin' correlation.
 
2006-08-19 03:13:00 AM  
Procedural Texture

exactly, religion doesn't necessarily make you anti-social, but it will reinforce it if you want that
 
2006-08-19 03:13:13 AM  
Brian: "Oh how Christian. Believe what I say or I'll hurt you."
Francis: "Now you're getting it." **WHACK**
 
2006-08-19 03:17:44 AM  
Jeebus, you call for the death of one Head of State from a South American Country, and all of a sudden you're labelled an "Anti-Social" ...


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2006-08-19 03:19:22 AM  
I don't really think there's a correlation. Not even a little.
Just as many thoroughly antisocial hermit types are atheist as they are theist. This is a non-article...just fluff someone wrote to fulfill a deadline somewhere.
 
2006-08-19 03:19:58 AM  
History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.

-Thomas Jefferson
 
2006-08-19 03:21:36 AM  
Hmmm, I'm not religious and I'm antisocial as hell. fark you.

/I'm an enigma
 
2006-08-19 03:21:46 AM  
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How about an association with numbers of insane people?
 
2006-08-19 03:26:25 AM  
Has anyone read from Max Stirner? The Ego and its own.. and what else?

NON SERVIAM!
 
2006-08-19 03:29:44 AM  
err, radical islamist?
 
2006-08-19 03:30:18 AM  
This should have been posted at a time when our good buddy Bevets would be up to read. Be interesting to here his non-biased well thought out reasoning...
 
2006-08-19 03:31:34 AM  
I don't think it's the case. Religion is a large proponent of any rural American community. In such a case, the church is the community center, it's where many group activities take place. Now there may be a backlash from that, wherein more people don't feel they fit in and want to cut themselves and commit suicide, but a parish is meant to encourage community behavior, not individual thought.
 
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