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BenjaminFarklin
2006-08-18 1:37:56 PM  
...but...but...but Clinton!
 
BillCo
2006-08-18 2:04:54 PM  
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President Hillary
 
Action Replay Nick
2006-08-18 2:15:14 PM  
Actually, for me it's like "No, but...."
 
whidbey
2006-08-18 2:17:10 PM  
More like "NO, GODDAMNIT!"
 
Boojum2k
2006-08-18 2:18:36 PM  
I think she'd make a decent President. This does not mean I am blind to her flaws, but she does have the leadership qualities.

And frankly, just like Bush, the fact that she pisses so many radicals off has to be good for something.

But getting away from the Bush/clinton/Bush/Clinton bandwagon would be nice. Maybe Romney or Guiliani, and I know there's some good Democrat possibilities.
 
whidbey
2006-08-18 2:22:30 PM  
Boojum2k: And frankly, just like Bush, the fact that she pisses so many radicals off has to be good for something.

Radicals on either side of the political spectrum.

And wouldn't there be a technical conflict of interest if Bill were the "First Man?"

How would we know whether or not he's influencing policy? "First Man" is a figurehead, right?
 
Tyrone Bibbins Esquire
2006-08-18 2:36:40 PM  
You know, I like Hillary Clinton, I don't care what anyone says.
 
Boojum2k
2006-08-18 2:40:11 PM  
whidbey
And wouldn't there be a technical conflict of interest if Bill were the "First Man?"

How would we know whether or not he's influencing policy? "First Man" is a figurehead, right?

Nah, he'd be free to chase interns, and she'd be free to have the U.S. Secret Service shoot him. Win/win.

/tongue-in-cheek
 
HumbleGod
2006-08-18 3:02:28 PM  
Boojum2k: But getting away from the Bush/clinton/Bush/Clinton bandwagon would be nice.

Absolutely. There hasn't been a presidential ticket without a Bush or Clinton on it since 1976. That's not a good thing.
 
Mr. Clarence Butterworth
2006-08-18 3:32:59 PM  
She comes off as power hungry and elitist, and we already have one of those in office.
 
Mr. Rogers
2006-08-18 3:37:15 PM  
I'd vote for her.
 
uh_clem
2006-08-18 3:42:57 PM  
Yes, but she's so divisive. Wouldn't it be nice to put all this partisn bickering behind us and work together to solve the real problems?

Of course, the Dems could run William F Buckley and the GOP would try to swiftboat him into oblivion as a commie pinko america hating liburl, so anybody's going to be divisive by the time this one's over.

Might as well run somebody with the steel cojones to handle the pressure.
 
MindStalker
2006-08-18 3:43:20 PM  
Boojum2k: Yea I don't know weither to feel sorry or not for future kids having to memorize past presidents.

Carter, Reagon, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Zylatos from the fifth planet of Zektru.

I'll have to bookmark this one so I can prove I was right all along about Zylatos to my grandchildren.
 
whidbey
2006-08-18 3:44:07 PM  
CaptainFatass: And that would be a bad thing, in your mind?

Obviously, since my opinion of the man as a scumbag and a powerwhore hasn't changed. Both should retire to public life and count their damn money.

And I voted for Nader, so you just stop right there with that Clinton-lovin' retort...:D
 
coffeeshark
2006-08-18 3:45:47 PM  
When she gets all going and screechy, she reminds me of my mother wayyy too much. I know that's just her voice, but still, it creeps me out.

But I'll take Bill and Hillary in the White House just for the comedic value, and I'd love to see Colbert and Stewart work her over for a few years, and SNL might actually be funny again for a few weeks while they figure out who does the best Hillary.

And how are you going to do photoshop contests on some clean-no skeletons guy like Romney? What are you going to do, shop a beer in his hand?
 
swahnhennessy
2006-08-18 3:50:19 PM  
No more DLC Democrats. They've steered the party past the center into the right and still they're vilified as "liberals" by the very people they've accomodated. Way to go, guya!
 
kmramki [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-08-18 3:51:30 PM  
whidbey: And wouldn't there be a technical conflict of interest if Bill were the "First Man?"

How would we know whether or not he's influencing policy?

Lots of First Ladies have influenced policies - Abigail Adams, Harriet Johnston (the neice of the bachelor President Buchanan), Florence Harding (who ran a newspaper before his rise), Edith Truman, Eleanor Roosevelt, Rose Carter (who even attended cabinet meetings), Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton... The days of non-influential first ladies ended with, may be, Martha Washington.

So, why shouldn't a First Man be influential? Besides, I think Clinton would make a brilliant emissary for the President. (Not necessarily supporting Hillary)
 
swahnhennessy
2006-08-18 3:52:31 PM  
swahnhennessy: Way to go, guya!

Hmmm...here's an "s".
 
whidbey
2006-08-18 3:53:51 PM  
kmramki: I think Clinton would make a brilliant emissary for the President. (Not necessarily supporting Hillary)

It sounds like a scam to get Clinton back in office again.

I shudder at the thought of both of them ruling America...
 
inFARKshun
2006-08-18 4:06:02 PM  
I wouldn't vote for her, but I might vote for Feingold if he runs (assuming he could ever make it out of the primaries).

/liberal 3rd party (G & L) voter
 
Logweasel
2006-08-18 4:10:31 PM  
there was more than a touch of egomania in his gleeful embrace of the spoiler role in 2000.

And more than a touch of batshiat-crazy in 2004.
 
whidbey
2006-08-18 4:20:03 PM  
CaptainFatass: and there was more than a touch of egomania in his gleeful embrace of the spoiler role in 2000.

Yeah, you just can't win...

I really had a problem visualizing any of his policies being enacted, for that matter, they're full of common sense, but much too radical and demanding of sacrifices the fatbacks in Washington are loathe to deliver...

But, hey, gridlock has been proven to be good in the past...

But I got tired of Clinton's smugmug work-the-room slimeball approach. I will not give up hope that a real regular person will run. You want it, I want it, I'm sure most of this thread would dig it, where are these people?
 
Svengali4Life
2006-08-18 4:25:56 PM  
Nobody REALLY likes Hillary... do they? She doesn't have any charisma. There are people who LOVE Bill Clinton and George W but nobody feels that way about Hillary. Do they?
 
coffeeshark
2006-08-18 4:27:12 PM  
whidbey [TotalFark]

But I got tired of Clinton's smugmug work-the-room slimeball approach. I will not give up hope that a real regular person will run. You want it, I want it, I'm sure most of this thread would dig it, where are these people?

Too smart or ethical to run? Too realistic to bother? Too busy with family, friends, work and life to want it?
 
Urmuf Hamer [TotalFark]
2006-08-18 4:35:54 PM  
whidbey: I got tired of Clinton's smugmug work-the-room slimeball approach.

FWIW FYI - from this and your other posts in this thread, it does seem that you are still shaking off the effects of the Kool-Aid you were fed in 1993.

/not pro hillary
//strenuously anti-current administration
/// voted for nader in 2k - doh!
 
Kell Hound
2006-08-18 4:41:36 PM  
Has anyone considered the fact that all of the press we keep hearing about Hillary might be, oh I don't know, slanted? People I talk to, while not enamored with her, don't seem to be riding this huge wave of negativity that I keep hearing about her.

I would love it personally if either Russ Feingold or Bill Richardson finds their way out of the primaries. Sadly, I think Feingold is DOA because he has pretty much refused to follow the party line at times. Maybe Richardson then...

Out of curiosity, who is the GOP hopeful for '08?
 
whidbey
2006-08-18 4:46:11 PM  
Urmuf Hamer: FWIW FYI - from this and your other posts in this thread, it does seem that you are still shaking off the effects of the Kool-Aid you were fed in 1993.

What Kool-aid was that, now?

I voted for the douchebag. It was during the 96 campaign I decided I had enough of him.

Not to mention living in blue blue Seattle. Nader scored here pretty well in '96. It was one of them "protest" votes.
 
mongbiohazard
2006-08-18 4:48:13 PM  
Tyrone Bibbins Esquire
You know, I like Hillary Clinton, I don't care what anyone says.

lol
Family Guy reference?

Boojum2k
But getting away from the Bush/clinton/Bush/Clinton bandwagon would be nice. Maybe Romney or Guiliani, and I know there's some good Democrat possibilities.


Seconded. I like Jeb Bush a lot. But vote for him for President? Hell no.

No more Bushes, no more Clintons. Time to get a fresher face in there.

Hey, my Democratic friends, how about we split the difference this time and all write in a McCain/Lieberman ticket? Either everone will be happy or everyone will be pissed - both are probably good signs it was an inspired pick. ;)
 
whidbey
2006-08-18 4:53:36 PM  
mongbiohazard: how about we split the difference this time and all write in a McCain/Lieberman ticket

I'm still up for voting for real people, not out-of-touch stinking rich insiders. And they both really suck.

Hey, a man can dream...
 
mongbiohazard
2006-08-18 4:57:09 PM  
Kell Hound
I would love it personally if either Russ Feingold or Bill Richardson finds their way out of the primaries. Sadly, I think Feingold is DOA because he has pretty much refused to follow the party line at times. Maybe Richardson then...

That would actually probably work in Feingold's favor, really if that part could be spun up. To be elected president you're going to want to try and appeal to the voters of both parties. For instance, one of the reasons that McCain gets a lot of Democrat love is that he's generally seen as being unafraid to break with the party when he feels like it (which is actually a VERY good quality for a candidate if they want even my Republican vote).

Out of curiosity, who is the GOP hopeful for '08?

Well, I probably just named him. McCain is probably going to get the nomination, I think. There are a few other names, but he's probably teh most likely. Condi is also being talked about though not as much as she deserves IMHO (she's my first pick) as well as Giuliani...

But I'm betting that in 2008 McCain will finally get his chance.
 
mongbiohazard
2006-08-18 5:03:40 PM  
whidbey
***mongbiohazard: how about we split the difference this time and all write in a McCain/Lieberman ticket***

I'm still up for voting for real people, not out-of-touch stinking rich insiders. And they both really suck.

Hey, a man can dream...


Well, yeah, you can dream... Regardless of the *right or wrong* of it, Joe TVdinner isn't going to get elected.

My reservations about McCain stem mostly from his involvement with the S&L crisis then about being out of touch. But I think I have pretty much gotten over that.

Hell, I'm not even sure that being IN touch is necessarily a good attribute for leadership...
 
MyNameSucks
2006-08-18 5:08:31 PM  
Giulani is way too socially liberal to win the Republican primaries. I used to have a lot of respect for McCain...but lately he has been pandering way too much for my taste. The 'Straight Talk Express' has come off the tracks. I admire Feingold for his consistent policy positions...unfortunately I disagree with most of them. Richardson? Shoot - wtf has that guy done...other than governing one of the poorest and most backward states in the Union. I would love to see a true leader emerge, from either party...but it seems so unlikely.
 
Urmuf Hamer [TotalFark]
2006-08-18 5:18:37 PM  
whidbey: What Kool-aid was that, now?

Just MHO, but the anti-clinton sentiment you've expressed reminded me of that of some Republican coworker's vituperance back in 1992. Big Rush listeners at the time. No offence intended, just an observation.
 
mongbiohazard
2006-08-18 5:57:10 PM  
MyNameSucks
Giulani is way too socially liberal to win the Republican primaries.


I've heard this too but, speaking as a conservative Republican mind you, I don't think it would be held enough against him to make him lose an election or a primary.

I do however think McCain could and probably will squeak past him to get the Republican nomination.
 
LawrencePerson
2006-08-18 6:12:03 PM  
Interesting to see that National Pravda Radio's living snooze fossil Daniel Schorr is still serving up his warmed-over lumps of Generic Liberalism Disguised as Moderate Musing to a disinterested public.
 
Phil Moskowitz
2006-08-18 6:21:57 PM  
LawrencePerson

That's some concentrated stupid you got there. You should really keep that in a sealed glass container.

Obtuse malappropriate acronyms are officially the fastest way to find a dullard.
 
mongbiohazard
2006-08-18 6:46:01 PM  
Corvus
I think probably 80% of pre-reagan republicans would be considered "Liberal" by todays standards.

During the Regan years the GOP moved to the ultra far right.


The ideological shift that took place over the last few decades was more complicated than that. There are many conservatives who also would have been called liberals at one point as well. It wasn't so much a straight shift, as many schools of thought have shifted, changed and in some cases merged.


Uhhh the republican party is OWNED by the far right and they will take down moderates any way they can like the did to McCain with their dirty tricks.

Giulani could never win.


Thanks for telling us who owns us. lol

McCain (my first choice in 2000 - I was *pissed* that he lost the primary and I had to choose from between two candidates I couldn't give two shiats about) came very close to getting the nomination. He didn't get it, and it wasn't "dirty tricks" alone that did it. Dirty tricks and politics have *always* gone hand in hand... that isn't a valid excuse for every result that doesn't turn out how you think it should have.

Giuliani could indeed win, I just think that McCain has his hands on levers WAY deeper in the party than Giuliani does and he wants his turn at running for president very very badly. I don't think Rudy wants it NEAR as bad, and would probably stand aside and wait his turn rather then get into a knock down, drag out fight over it with McCain.
 
Kurland
2006-08-18 9:50:26 PM  
I don't trust her, don't like her and wouldn't vote for her. Only people I can think of that i would like for president less is anyone involved in the current administraion or anyone whos in the Bush family. Thats the absolute only way I would vote for Hillary if she was running against some one like Cheney, Rice or Jeb Bush and even then I might go Green party.
 
jm105 [BareFark]
2006-08-18 11:12:16 PM  
"Do you like Hillary Clinton?"

No.

\Democrat voter
/Tired of Clintons and Bushes.
 
R5D4
2006-08-18 11:39:44 PM  
Man, its almost like political operatives in the media have waged a war against the Clintons since 1992.

/Or something.
 
Tyrone Bibbins Esquire
2006-08-18 11:51:59 PM  
mongbiohazard

yep...love that Brian!
 
dumb_n00b
2006-08-20 7:28:27 AM  
NO.
 
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