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2006-08-17 10:57:37 PM  
Great headline. I imagine on RaptureReady it goes something like "Liberal college professors seducing students with the Devil's lies".
 
2006-08-17 11:02:43 PM  
I'll drink to that. *one of them*
 
2006-08-17 11:03:47 PM  
I truthfully cannot understand the persecuted Christian syndrome. It doesn't make sense to me. Freakin' nutcases..
 
2006-08-17 11:05:49 PM  
Staticdistance: Freakin' nutcases

Do you think maybe it might be because people call them nutcases for their beliefs?
 
2006-08-17 11:07:59 PM  
Eat More Possum: Do you think maybe it might be because people call them nutcases for their beliefs?

Calling you a nutcase is not persecution. Burning you at the stake for witchcraft is persecution. Christianity as a persecuted religion? Suck it.
 
2006-08-17 11:09:21 PM  
I have little in common with the conservative set, but headlines like this are cause for concern.
 
2006-08-17 11:17:55 PM  
Son of That Guy:I have little in common with the conservative set, but headlines like this are cause for concern.

Why? More people are choosing to think for themselves and not just blindly believe some 2,000 year old book that says that it's possible for somebody to build a boat large enough to carry 2 of every animal, that the sun revolves around the Earth, that a man who raped his daughters is "righteous", among many other absolutely insane things. I would say that's a good thing.
 
2006-08-17 11:25:46 PM  
czarangelus: Suck it.

No thanks, but you can kiss my ass.

Tomorrow try getting up on the right side of the bed.
 
2006-08-17 11:28:08 PM  
Eat More Possum: people call them nutcases for their beliefs?

A person who insists on the "reality" of some magical sky person whose existance cannot be detected in any manner whatsoever is just as loony as the person who insists that they have an invisible pink unicorn living in their garage.

It's a harmless delusion up until the the time the [IPU|MSP] starts telling you to do things like [kill|oppress] people who don't share the same beliefs as you.
 
2006-08-17 11:40:10 PM  
Listen to others, believe in yourself. Simple.
 
2006-08-17 11:54:09 PM  
Staticdistance: I truthfully cannot understand the persecuted Christian syndrome. It doesn't make sense to me. Freakin' nutcases..

Having grown up as a Fundie who recovered and got better.... I can say that at least in my case, I was brought up to believe that Christians were being persecuted -- attacks everywhere against our Christian nation! Drugs were an attack on Christianity; other religions where; athiests were...

We had a pamphlet titled (if I recall the year correctly) "88 Reasons Jesus Will Return In '88"...

How much do you think the terror attacks are being used to push through controlling legislation? If you agree with me that there has been some abuse (maybe a war in Iraq, for example), then the same logic applies to Fundies (as opposed to reasonable Christians)... Whether they do it on purpose or not, it gives them more control...

Eat More Possum: Do you think maybe it might be because people call them nutcases for their beliefs?

I think they use that as an excuse.

I have a problem with the 80% majority group trying to come across as being persecuted. If the 80% majority can't manage to not be persecuted, they're really really dumbfarks... M-kay?

czarangelus: Burning you at the stake for witchcraft is persecution.

(Speaking of things that are blown out of proportion.... and I'm Pagan, mind... Although we're much more persecuted than the 80% majority Christians, dammit! hehehe)

Son of That Guy: I have little in common with the conservative set, but headlines like this are cause for concern.

Have you taken the source of the article into account? They're not a part of hte "liberal media"... They definitely have motivation to make the problem (if there is one) sound worse than it is...

People should be allowed to choose for themselves what they believe. I don't think *anyone* should be indoctrinated... I was, as a child -- and it caused me much grief, thinking I was going to hell for having doubts about my childhood faith.

For those that have chosen Christianity: more power to `em.

El Freak: More people are choosing to think for themselves and not just blindly believe some 2,000 year old book

The thing that we have to remember is that it's still okay for the ones who *choose* that path to walk it... :) Even if they don't believe it's okay for us to walk our path (and there are plenty of reasonable Christians who *do* acknowledge that right)

Eat More Possum: Tomorrow try getting up on the right side of the bed.

I suspect it will be the left side of the bed.... bah-dum-ching

So the point was made a bit strongly - maybe you can reply to my take on it... :)

Also, I note this study doesn't say how many of those that "go away" later "go back"...

I think young people, taken as a whole, tend to be more liberal than older people... that's probably always going to be the case...

Tassach: A person who insists on the "reality" of some magical sky person whose existance cannot be detected in any manner whatsoever is just as loony

I'm not so sure...

Of course, I'm Pagan Agnostic... I mentioned the "pagan" before; and the "not so sure" should help with the "agnostic"... ;-)

...but my point is: I don't have any problem with athiests, but I don't have any problems with those that look around and say that some thing/one/Thing/One must have had a hand in it all...

I think both ideas are reasonable.

And I have personally experienced things that science has currently not explained -- which is not to say science won't one day explain them; but for now, it can't.

I believe in some sort of supernatural. I don't know if it's God, G-d, G-ddess, a bunch of gods/goddesses, or even The Force -- don't really care that much, either. It/She/He/They know what they are, if it/they/etc are sentient... and if not, it doesn't...

There are things that are either currently unknown, or possibly unknowable in our present state... but we have to live here on earth, in our present state.

I'm much more interested in harmony than I am arguing over which religion (if any) has it right. I think it's much more important to respect my fellow human than to figure out if the Elucidated Bretheren of The Ee are right or not... (much less Blind Io).........

Back to the article: I fully 100% support teaching our children that they need to figure out what makes the most sense and go with it, rather than indoctrinating them in one particular viewpoint. And if they choose Christianity - more power to them. As long as they respect my freedom of religion. As long as I don't have to put up with religion in our pledge of allegience, on our money, in our politics, tacked up in our courtrooms, before our football games........ everywhere I turn, the Christian or Judeochristian viewpoint is hammered.... and yet, a percentage of Christians believe *they* are the persecuted ones? I think not.

I don't press my religion on anyone -- the only point I would press is the freedom of everyone to their own religion (or none)...

I strive and struggle for my only intolerance to be of intolerance itself. I haven't gotten there by any means, but I try. :)
 
2006-08-18 12:02:52 AM  
daychilde: I have a problem with the 80% majority group trying to come across as being persecuted.

I do too, to some extent. Yet, it seems the 20% are not satisified with having a different opinion; they must expres their disgust of Christians with such vile and hatred.
 
2006-08-18 12:04:35 AM  
college is a lotta folks first experience outside their parent's control.

you'd have to wonder what percentage would have given up earlier had going to church been an option instead of an assumption.
 
2006-08-18 12:06:30 AM  
Eat More Possum: Yet, it seems the 20% are not satisified with having a different opinion; they must expres their disgust of Christians with such vile and hatred.

are you seeing a lot of evenhanded well thought out and considerate opinions being offered here in other contexts?

it's fark. generally speaking...we're assholes. how is this topic deserving of the kid gloves when no other is?
 
2006-08-18 12:08:04 AM  
daychilde [TotalFark]

You're post disturbes me. We all have to get along. Acceptance of those who chose other paths, are not necessarly out of the picture. Those challenged from birth, the cards dealt, from the start, need our patients and indugence.

/I just want to feel the G-Force.
 
2006-08-18 12:11:23 AM  
daychilde

Best post I've seen in a long, long time.

And I think Christianity is a bunch of fairy tales that many well meaning people believe in because it makes them sleep easy at night, which I'm totally cool with. But at the same time, it seems an equal number of people use the cause to fuel hate, bigotry, and generally negative emotions.

Pretty sad, really. Half the country seems to masturbate at the thought of a global bloodbath, because they think it will make Jesus come down on a cloud and whisk them into heaven.
 
2006-08-18 12:13:37 AM  
Thank god
 
2006-08-18 12:14:11 AM  
Judgmental intolerance is an important part of this nutritious breakfast.
 
2006-08-18 12:17:00 AM  
heap: deserving of the kid gloves when no other is?

that is a good point.
 
2006-08-18 12:20:17 AM  
EMP: I do too, to some extent. Yet, it seems the 20% are not satisified with having a different opinion; they must express their disgust of Christians with such vile and hatred.


It's not really all of the 20% that is doing the hating. It's more like an evil vocal 2% that can't leave others alone. If people want to spend their lives blissfully ignorant, I say them 'em.
 
2006-08-18 12:22:13 AM  
So you take a bunch of kids out of a hot-house environment that conditions them socially one way ... and put them in an environment that socially conditions them the other way ... and they change.

Where's the shock in that?

If you put all the pledges from Upskirt Phi and Smegema Nu into a bible camp for four years, half of them would be raising their hands during the hymn-sing and speaking in tongues by the end of it, too.

Cept you can't get a job with a four year degree from bible camp. I should know. I majored in liturgical dance with a minor in premillenial dispensationalism and the only job i'm suited for is public relations and marketing.
 
2006-08-18 12:26:49 AM  
Eat More Possum: Yet, it seems the 20% are not satisified with having a different opinion; they must expres their disgust of Christians with such vile and hatred.

A small percentage of the 20% might do so, just like a small percentage of the 80% are vile and full of hate...

I see that as the largest problem in the US - extremists on all sides are pushing more and more people to other extreme positions...

People who self-identify as one particular religion or political party, for example, see people railing against that position, and are pushed to a more and more extreme position, out of the center...

I myself, being a self-proclaimed liberal, tend to look down on conservatives; and am willing to overlook the evils done by fellow liberals, while harping about the slightest mistakes of the convervatives.... and the convervatives naturally do the same in reverse....

We end up getting farther and farther apart -- and the real danger is that leads to war - civil war.

heap: it's fark. generally speaking...we're assholes. how is this topic deserving of the kid gloves when no other is?

I don't see why that always has to be the case -- don't get me wrong, I've done my share of pissing all over other people's probably-or-at-least-possibly valid opinions and beliefs... but it doesn't *always* have to be so...

Which isn't to say that I disagree with your disagreement of the statement you quoted, see my above. :D

maRox: You're post disturbes me. We all have to get along. Acceptance of those who chose other paths, are not necessarly out of the picture. Those challenged from birth, the cards dealt, from the start, need our patients and indugence.

I'm afraid I'm not catching your point... I will refrain from being a grammar Nazi at you, although it pains me to do so... ;-) (besides, I don't want to eat crow if your grammar was sarcastic/funny intent)

I do believe we all have to get along...

If you're trying to say that we should be patient with people brought up to believe in a particular path/religion, I agree. I would hope that they could learn about other perspectives-- not so they would change their path, but at least know what all is out there -- I don't see how that can hurt...

Beyond that, I think I'm definitely losing your meaning... sorry...


Best post I've seen in a long, long time.

Thank you. :)

Action Replay Nick: And I think Christianity is a bunch of fairy tales that many well meaning people believe in because it makes them sleep easy at night, which I'm totally cool with. But at the same time, it seems an equal number of people use the cause to fuel hate, bigotry, and generally negative emotions.

I tend to think that they surely just don't know better -- but consider how much of our society is devoted to reinforcing the JudeoChristian viewpoint - my comments about money, the pledge, etc etc etc - most Americans assume everyone (except "weird people") are Christian, at least to some degree... :)

I agree with the fairy tales bit, too, as far as that goes--- on a personal level, at least... but I"m ex-Christian... :) I do also believe that Christianity is by no means all bad -- the base religion can/should teach love, forgiveness, many good habits... And the actual religion (that is, all the churches of the various denominations) is pretty good at charitable works...

There's a lot to laud about Christianity - a lot of non-Christians forget and lose sight of those things....

...if I may use a bad analogy: I wonder how many of our soldiers in Iraq are able to see J. Random Iraqi as a decent human being, even though I'm sure many/most of them are... I've seen more than one documentary (on Discovery, for example) that showed me how much they did lose such sight...

I think the same is true here -- many non-Christians are bitter (like me ;-) ) and attack Christianity-- which doesn't help. But for that matter, it doesn't help the Christians to attack either...

Half the country seems to masturbate at the thought of a global bloodbath, because they think it will make Jesus come down on a cloud and whisk them into heaven.

Except masturbation is a sin, of course. heh.

I do remember back to the time when Revalations was my favorite book of the Bible...

...but I also remember back when I would come home to an empty house and wonder if I'd missed the Rapture and be terrified.... (then find the note from parents saying they'd be back soon)
 
2006-08-18 12:26:57 AM  
Jabber: It's not really all of the 20% that is doing the hating.


eggggzactly. it's 2% of the 20% biatching about the 2% of the 80%.

we usually get some good jesus pictures out of it, tho...and hell, this article was funny enough for the price of admission. yale students, disavowing christ in 1790!??!? stop the muthafarkin presses.
 
2006-08-18 12:27:15 AM  
2006-08-18 12:22:13 AMtowatchoverme
So you take a bunch of kids out of a hot-house environment that conditions them socially one way ... and put them in an environment that socially conditions them the other way ... and they change.


Because one institution is teaching them to think, and one is teaching them to accept. There's no equivalence.
 
2006-08-18 12:28:01 AM  
Jabber: If people want to spend their lives blissfully ignorant, I say them 'em.

That's the problem though. Their blissful ignorance has a direct effect on the world around them. From the destruction of scientific reasoning to the election of scary fundies these people are directly contributing to a scary situation in this country and others. Faith is antithetic to reasoning and logic.
 
2006-08-18 12:30:03 AM  
fishrockcarving: Judgmental intolerance is an important part of this nutritious breakfast.

You're going to hell for that, you heathen!

/ ;-)

towatchoverme: Upskirt Phi

That's it. I've got to go back to school and get my degree. Would you kindly point me to a university where that fraternity exists? I'd sign up in a heartbeat... After all, the wife has given me permission to look (not to touch, dammit - but at least I can look. Officially!)... hehehe

/smart move on her part, as guys will be looking anyway... makes it easier to say "no, can't touch, because I have permission to look, and I don't want to screw that up! (by "screwing" up, as it were... bah-dum-ching)
 
2006-08-18 12:30:17 AM  
St Peter:- So what did you do with your life, jay_vee (it's okay if I use your Fark handle - isn't it?)

jay_vee:- Welllll, I read the whole of daychilde's posts.
 
2006-08-18 12:33:49 AM  
daychilde: I don't see why that always has to be the case -- don't get me wrong, I've done my share of pissing all over other people's probably-or-at-least-possibly valid opinions and beliefs... but it doesn't *always* have to be so...

nah, it isn't always the case, but...it is pretty much the norm...enough such that i'd have to wonder why this topic would be different than any other.

you can spend the time and effort, attempt to consider the perspective of those you are addressing, carefully chose terminology so as to assure you aren't ruffling feathers....and you'll get a few 'moran!'s and a
point MY POINT!
fixed that for ya!'
s

in response.

not saying there isn't worthwhile convo to be had here, but...snark and bile are the mainstays.
 
2006-08-18 12:38:27 AM  
7of7: That's the problem though. Their blissful ignorance has a direct effect on the world around them. From the destruction of scientific reasoning to the election of scary fundies these people are directly contributing to a scary situation in this country and others.

Which is what we must fight against -- but we must fight against ignorance by promoting knowledge, not by calling names and other tactics that actually *hurt* ourselves... even when we get frustrated and call names like "they" do anyway... ;-) (When we call names, we're no better than "them" -- and we become the "them" to them....)

Faith is antithetic to reasoning and logic.

I don't fully agree.

I know Christians who are firm believers in their faith, but are willing to accept that others might come to different conclusions...

...just like I can respect people who have intelligently decided to be conservative... I may wonder how they could come to the conclusion they do, but I tolerate "fools" very poorly (with a broad definition of what constitutes a fool)...

I think I'm hardly alone in that, though -- a lot of people have a hard time acknowlodging that other viewpoints might be valid -- or even if not valid, that the people who hold them aren't stupid idiots... (I really have a problem remembering this... constantly have to remind myself of it...)

We live in a black and white society - or at least, we keep letting ourselves fall into that more and more...

There's the BS about red states and blue states -- do I need to link to the "purple" maps?

People on all sides are pushing those in the middle away to the other side...

...but I'm getting away from the bit I quoted -- faith does not automatically shut off the brain.

For many hundreds of years, smart people honestly believed the earth was the center of the universe, or that the world was flat. (Not as many or as long as common [mis]knowledge would say, but still, it was thought) -- and yet, we know differently.

Just because someone believes strongly about one particular thing, subject, or area of knowledge, doesn't mean they're stupid about the rest.

It does seem that the less knowledge and reason and common sense someone has, and the more they rely on "pure" faith, even where it clearly contradicts reality -- sure, the more those people are likely to be, say, jihadists, or fundies...
 
2006-08-18 12:40:31 AM  
daychilde [TotalFark]

What's personal, needs not be shared on the intra-web.
 
2006-08-18 12:41:10 AM  
jay_vee: I read the whole of daychilde's posts.

You would CHOOSE hell so easily?

Hell, even *I* don't read *ALL* of my posts!

/seriously, pick and choose and skip for all I mind... but I'd rather there be complaints about the length of my posts than complaints I was being an asshat or something... hehehe

heap: snark and bile are the mainstays.

I can't argue against that... It's why I don't fark (and by that I mean this website, bah-dum-ching) on a regular basis...

Besides, the cliche about "winning an argument on the internet" has a lot of truthiness, if I may be so bold...

But I do enjoy the calm discussions a lot more than the pointless flamefests -- which is one contributory cause to my longwindedness here now... hehehe
 
2006-08-18 12:45:05 AM  
heap: eggggzactly. it's 2% of the 20% biatching about the 2% of the 80%.

This all goes along with my theory that 2% of any group is made up of ignorant loudmouth assholes who should be ignored by society. You can read all about it in my new book The Jabber Theory: Get These Motherfarkin' Asshats Off of my Motherfarkin' Planet
 
2006-08-18 12:45:36 AM  
daychilde: We live in a black and white society

Actually that's what "faith" gets us. Blind faith in corporations brings us Apple vs Microsoft vs Linux. Blind faith in politics brings us conservative vs liberal. I guess it's unreasonable to expect people to actually know things before they make decisions, but it seems that the world is run like a FARK flamewar. Most people don't bother reading the article before opining. Faith by most religious definitions boils down to the belief in something without questioning and is thus very destructive to a world whose problems need solutions not talking points.
 
2006-08-18 12:51:06 AM  
Jabber: This all goes along with my theory that 2% of any group is made up of ignorant loudmouth assholes who should be ignored by society.

Sorry... I'll shut up now... ;-)

Seriously... sometimes it feels like it's more like 98% who are ignorant loudmouth assholes, though... :-D

7of7: Actually that's what "faith" gets us. Blind faith in corporations brings us Apple vs Microsoft vs Linux. Blind faith in politics brings us conservative vs liberal. I guess it's unreasonable to expect people to actually know things before they make decisions, but it seems that the world is run like a FARK flamewar. Most people don't bother reading the article before opining. Faith by most religious definitions boils down to the belief in something without questioning and is thus very destructive to a world whose problems need solutions not talking points.

Quoted for truth.

I could pick at a couple of nits that I disagree with, but I so overwhelmingly agree with that, that the only thing I can feel I could add: This is why I believe being an agnostic is a Good Thing(tm) -- agnostics [theoretically] keep an open mind about things, by their very definition... It's the exact opposite of claiming to have the corner on Truth (or truth_without_capitalization)....

But I think if we resign ourselves to the fate of a world spiraling out of control and moving towards extremism, we do ourselves and humanity as a whole a great disservice.

It's hard to proclaim and shout "Equality for all! Moderation in everything! Acceptance of all viewpoints!" -- it doesn't sell nearly as well as "You're being persecuted! The world is against you! You must fight for yourself!", unfortunately.
 
2006-08-18 12:51:41 AM  
daychilde:- Not a complaint. I did read them, and think you have a very reasonable point of view. I was just kidding around.

Your points about "snark" though, are rather ignoring the fact that phrases like "I tend to think that they surely just don't know better" can also be read as snark. None of us are immune to shoving our own views down in a less than complimentary way.

I've been in so many threads with this kind of subject it takes me a while to get warmed up to the point I start actually arguing with people, so for now, I'll coast along, taking the piss of people whith long-arsed posts :-)
 
2006-08-18 12:53:02 AM  
Geez, the five-pint philosophers are really out in full force tonight.

Give me a few minutes to get liquored up, put on some Floyd and groove to what you're saying.
 
2006-08-18 12:55:28 AM  
towatchoverme
Geez, the five-pint philosophers are really out in full force tonight.

Allow me to simplify my position:

[image from img.photobucket.com too old to be available]
 
2006-08-18 12:56:47 AM  
Action Replay Nick: Allow me to simplify my position:

That made me laugh. Really hard.
 
2006-08-18 12:58:39 AM  
Action Replay Nick

Well of course he is. It's liturgical masturbation.

Psalms 95:2 - Let us come into his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with palms.
 
2006-08-18 12:59:09 AM  
jay_vee: Not a complaint.

I hear ya -- I tried to respond in case it was *and* in case it wasn't, just in case. :D

None of us are immune to shoving our own views down in a less than complimentary way.

Point well made -- and by no means can I claim innocence on that point... I tend to say that I tolerate fools poorly, and have a very broad definition of "fool" -- and it's true. :-D

___________

BTW, to any who wonder how I can be so wordy: It's the ADHD, no alcohol... This isn't me being wordy - this is me just not shutting myself up... heh. I can ramble on all day; although I usually try not to... :)
 
2006-08-18 1:00:34 AM  
Check that ... it's *psalms* ...

Funny, i always read things into scripture that i'd like to see there. Wonder if anyone else does that.
 
2006-08-18 1:00:52 AM  
towatchoverme: It's liturgical masturbation.

Psalms 95:2 - Let us come into his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with palms.


I must say-- at the theatre I'm involved with, I'm in the middle of rehearsals for a play titled "Incorruptible". If you have a chance to see it (a production somewhere; obviously nobody else lives around Panama City :p heh), I highly recommend it. It's pun after pun after pun -- and especially fun if you get started looking for innuendo... it's a blast... :)

(Although if anyone *is* around Bay County, I could probably get you comps to come see it for free... :) )
 
2006-08-18 1:04:41 AM  
daychilde: ...but I also remember back when I would come home to an empty house and wonder if I'd missed the Rapture and be terrified.... (then find the note from parents saying they'd be back soon)

I'm sorry, but this is freakin' hilarious.
 
2006-08-18 1:06:08 AM  
daychilde: Seriously... sometimes it feels like it's more like 98% who are ignorant loudmouth assholes, though... :-D

I have slightly more faith in humanity than that. You just have to realize that the 2% are really really loud and really really farking annoying.
 
2006-08-18 1:16:08 AM  
Thanks, daychilde but i'm a tad far away. And my sled dogs are in hock, so it'd be hard to get to the tarmac in any case.

If i may be cereal for a moment -- a few observations:

* I find it sad but unsurprising that the first time some born-again kids are exposed to ideas like openness and tolerance, it's at a secular university

* The strongest and most interesting Christians i knew at university were the ones who were plugged into the intellectual elements of the tradition (they'd read their Kierkegaard, Niebuhr etc) and were able to find a way to square a liberal and liberal-arts education with their faith

* There were a lot of duck-and-cover christians at intervarsity who used it as a way to drown out the voices they didn't want to hear and to meet their future spouses. I always felt sorry for them cuz they missed out on so much.

* Once almost got into a drunken fistfight with a marxist over religion when we both realized we had more in common with each other than we did with the neocons in the school of economics
 
2006-08-18 1:16:28 AM  
I think it should be pointed out that Christians directly teach intolerance, just like Islamic fundamentalism. They teach that people of other faiths are enemies of God and enemies of Christians. They teach that any form of tolerance for others is moral equivilency. They teach that there's no way anyone who hasn't accepted Jesus as their salvation (as if we need it) to get to Heaven. I think that what fundachristians teach should be more explicitly laid on the table. A lot of Christians talk about how all they believe is peace and tolerance, but I think they're not doing enough to wrestle the religion back from the wackjobs perverting it.

There is a problem with how Christians interact with people of other faiths, and it does need to be addressed.
 
2006-08-18 1:23:03 AM  
You can raise a kid to be anything if you teach them. Everyone knows that the late teens and early twenties is a period of drastic life change. College professors (very largely outspoken leftists) are the rudder that steers that change. With that good education comes indoctrination.
 
2006-08-18 1:28:29 AM  
Chameleon: I'm sorry, but this is freakin' hilarious.

It wasn't funny in the least at the time -- but yeah, now it's rather comedic. :)

Jabber: You just have to realize that the 2% are really really loud and really really farking annoying.

It's so hard to remember when they're so vocal...

I feel like Blazing Saddles wasn't a parody of humanity a lot of the time... ;-)

czarangelus: I think it should be pointed out that Christians directly teach intolerance, just like Islamic fundamentalism.

I don't think all of them do, though... But some of them-- definitely.
 
2006-08-18 1:28:38 AM  
czarangelus

They teach that there's no way anyone who hasn't accepted Jesus as their salvation (as if we need it) to get to Heaven.

What you've described is something pretty fundamental to many religions. Are you honestly surprised by this? If you go to a car dealership and a salesman comes out and tries to sell you a car, are you going to flip out on him because he didn't offer you a soft-shell taco with fries and a pop?

I mean, it's what religious people DO, man. They believe they've found the truth and they want to convince you, too. You can call it "intolerance," i guess, but it seems to me that's just labelling them in the same way you accuse them of labelling you. To them, you're a sinner in need of redemption. To you, they're intolerant bigots. All depends on your starting point.
 
2006-08-18 1:29:56 AM  
towatchoverme: I mean, it's what religious people DO, man. They believe they've found the truth and they want to convince you, too.

Not all of them.

Many religions are intolerant of other points of view, but many are more tolerant...
 
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