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(Yahoo)   "The Clinton Doctrine can be distilled as never enter a battle in any serious way until it's so late that your contribution is meaningless." Bonus weirdness points: This little gem comes to you courtesy of Ariana Huffington   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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311 clicks; posted to Politics » on 16 Aug 2006 at 1:38 PM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2006-08-16 12:07:46 PM  
Or, ya know, dont rush into an area unilaterally without forethought or long term goals.

Thats workin out GREEEEEAAAT.
 
2006-08-16 12:35:45 PM  
Oh, they had long term goals, but rainbows flying out of everyone's butts and cherubs pouring oil from heaven with the help of the 40 black-eyed virgins is not nec. realistic.
 
2006-08-16 12:36:47 PM  
Uhm, looks more like this bonus weirdness comes from some psycho right-wing nutjob.
 
2006-08-16 12:53:13 PM  
Just to make a stand for reporting accuracy:

Arianna is referring to political battles in her comments regarding Clinton--

Not the guns and troops kind.
 
2006-08-16 12:54:59 PM  
/not, of course, that accuracy matters much in a Fark political thread
 
2006-08-16 1:33:39 PM  
st_gulik: Uhm, looks more like this bonus weirdness comes from some psycho right-wing nutjob.

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Not Miss HuffPo herself?! Better check your program. Can't tell the players without a program, you know?

And yes... she's on my "bow-bow-chicka-chicka-bow..." list.
 
2006-08-16 1:39:28 PM  
She's right, for the most part.
 
2006-08-16 1:45:28 PM  
st_gulik: Uhm, looks more like this bonus weirdness comes from some psycho right-wing nutjob.

If Ariana Huffington is a right-wing nut job, Nam Chomsky is Rush Limbaugh in disguise.
 
2006-08-16 1:46:29 PM  
dedekind_cut: Or, ya know, dont rush into an area unilaterally without forethought or long term goals.

Didn't read the article, did you? She's talking about Clinton weighing in on the Connecticut Senate race.
 
2006-08-16 1:46:56 PM  
It's more like, "Wait until 2008 to try to unite the Democrats so I can be in the White House again."
 
2006-08-16 1:53:31 PM  
Triangulation..... It's all about triangulation......
 
2006-08-16 1:55:25 PM  
"The Clinton Doctrine can be distilled as never enter a battle in any serious way until it's so late that your contribution is meaningless."

I think that's called the Roosevelt Doctrine

/ducks
 
2006-08-16 2:00:45 PM  
If the Powell Doctrine can be distilled as never enter a battle without force so decisive you know you can easily win it, the Clinton Doctrine can be distilled as never enter a battle in any serious way until it's so late that your contribution is meaningless.

Want an example? How about the Battle of Connecticut?


Want to maybe not be so shallow for once and focus on something larger than whether your side is scoring points, Arianna? Because that theory of yours about Clinton not acting until it's too farking late applies wonderfully to the administration's conduct in Rwanda.

Despite overwhelming evidence of genocide and knowledge as to its perpetrators, United States officials decided against taking a leading role in confronting the slaughter in Rwanda. Rather, US officials confined themselves to public statements, diplomatic demarches, initiatives for a ceasefire, and attempts to contact both the interim government perpetrating the killing and the RPF. The US did use its influence, however, at the United Nations, but did so to discourage a robust UN response (Document 4 and Document 13). In late July, however, with the evidence of genocide littering the ground in Rwanda, the US did launch substantial operations-again, in a supporting role-to assist humanitarian relief efforts for those displaced by the genocide.

800,000 murdered, and all Saint Bill The Compassionate would've had to do was say the word and it could have been stopped.
 
2006-08-16 2:07:16 PM  
Ooh, a rebuke from Ariana. I'm sure Bill is extremely upset and will do whatever she says from now on. Because he really needs her support ....
 
2006-08-16 2:18:52 PM  
I think that's called the Roosevelt Doctrine

/ducks



It's more like the Wilson Doctrine since Roosevelt didn't quite implement it as well.
 
2006-08-16 2:21:38 PM  
Gulper Eel: 800,000 murdered, and all Saint Bill The Compassionate would've had to do was say the word and it could have been stopped.

Just like when Bush I just 'said the word' and Somalia was returned to stability?

Just like when Bush II just 'said the word' and Iraq was returned to the community of nations?

/please. At least pretend to be realistic in your criticisms.
 
2006-08-16 2:27:45 PM  
st_gulik: Uhm, looks more like this bonus weirdness comes from some psycho right-wing nutjob.

The CraneMeister: If Ariana Huffington is a right-wing nut job, Nam Chomsky is Rush Limbaugh in disguise.

I believe the new, hip word the kids use these days for what just happened to st_gulik is "pwned". Am I right?
 
2006-08-16 2:28:32 PM  
I suppose it's probably chafing Ms. Huffington that Pres. Clinton has defended Pres. Bush over the Iraq war -- disagreeing with the timing (preferring to wait until the inspections were over), but agreeing with the motivation -- the "lot of stuff unaccounted for", in Clinton's own words. Likewise, a year after the start of the war, Sen. Clinton has stated that she did not regret voting to grant authorization for the use of force.


Don't expect the Clintons to come out swinging in favor of the left wing of the Democratic party. They're more DLC centrist types. Hell, Pres. Clinton backed NAFTA, welfare reform...

 
2006-08-16 3:13:11 PM  
As much as I could give a mixture of criticism and praise for Wild Bill's foreign policy, I think the bigger issue here is:

Who still gives a flying fark what Arianna Huffington thinks?

Add 30 years and 20 IQ points to Paris Hilton and the world would have two Arianna Huffingtons.
 
2006-08-16 6:26:06 PM  
RocketRod: And yes... she's on my "bow-bow-chicka-chicka-bow..." list.


Oh yeah....she's on my list, too. Has been for a while.

/would not hesitate for a second to hit that.
 
2006-08-16 9:47:05 PM  
Skleenar: At least pretend to be realistic in your criticisms.

I am. Saving those people in Rwanda would not have required the numbers we're currently using in Iraq, or the decades needed to get Somalia even a little bit straightened out. 5000 troops to prevent the Rwanda genocide is the number that gets kicked around the most since it's what General Dallaire originally mentioned, but it would have been a worthy human-rights investment even erring on the pessimistic side by saying that only some of the victims could have been saved even with several times 5000.

Can the US and other civilized nations save everybody who's stuck under the boot? Of course not - but not being able to save everybody isn't an excuse to save nobody. Especially when it's genocide on the table. Recognizing a genocide in progress carries with it an obligation to act, and sooner rather than later. I remain disgusted with both Bush and Clinton in this regard.

And besides, since the Rwanda genocide has its roots in the time before Clinton took office, you can even blame some of it on Bush (I) if you need to maintain your all-important Bush-hatin' street cred.
 
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