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(Wall Street Journal)   Ned Lamont answers questions about the recent terror plot arrests: "Why do I have to say anything?" Way to pick a sharp candidate there, Connecticut (third item)   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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nrw
2006-08-11 3:56:04 PM  
I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.

Mr. Lamont hesitated when he was asked if Mr. Lieberman's criticisms were beyond the bounds of acceptable political combat
 
2006-08-11 4:04:26 PM  
Exactly nrw

RTFA submitter. Liberman chalked his loss up to "partisan" politics, which is assinine since this is all inner-party issues.

The fact of the matter is that right now the Democrats are undergoing something of a redefinition. For 6 years they've been the whipping dogs, painfully obediant of the republicans but still yipping for some noise. Right now democrats are sick and tired of people like Liberman sucking the president off to remain in good standing.

Liberman claims he's a democrat, which is a load of bull. When the talking points someone uses is almost verbaitum the talking points off of fox news and the administration, when it's hard to think of a time when you broke away from the republican party line, calling yourself a democrat is insulting and disgusting. It's an attempt to alter the political landscape by changing the language that we use to describe politics. His not winning his party's primary is proof that the democrats don't want to be the felch-party for the conservatives that are in power.
 
2006-08-11 4:04:27 PM  
Team ! Team ! Team ! Yayyyyy, submitter !1!!!

you little turd.
 
2006-08-11 4:05:16 PM  
Wow, submitter, you been taking PR classes from Baghdad Bob? You sound like a Hezbollah guy desperately ripping quotes out of context to prove your winning. Good company you've picked there.
 
2006-08-11 4:11:36 PM  
Mr. Rove,

Please bring out your varsity players. The current crop of trolls are illiterate.

Sincerely,

2Wolves
 
2006-08-11 4:31:19 PM  
What submitter says: Way to pick a sharp candidate there, Connecticut.

What submitter means: FOUR-LEGS GOOD! TWO-LEGS BAAAAAD! FOUR-LEGS GOOD! TWO-LEGS BAAAAA-AAAAAD!
 
2006-08-11 5:22:10 PM  
2wolves: Please bring out your varsity players. The current crop of trolls are illiterate.

Hee hee. I love when headlines get greenlit AFTER everyone has piled on about how stupid they are.

This Lamont guy, on the other hand, is going to good for a lot of laughs no matter what happens in November.
 
2006-08-11 5:23:11 PM  
Before anyone starts saying stupid shiat, here's the quote from the article:


Mr. Lamont hesitated when he was asked if Mr. Lieberman's criticisms were beyond the bounds of acceptable political combat.

"To try to score political points on every international issue--" Mr. Lamont said, before stopping himself. Then he added, "Why do I have to say anything?"

 
2006-08-11 5:39:06 PM  
The CraneMeister: I love when headlines get greenlit AFTER everyone has piled on about how stupid they are.

Why?
 
2006-08-11 5:58:08 PM  
The_Flatline: Liberman claims he's a democrat, which is a load of bull.


Voting party line 90% of the time somehow nulifies the claim? How do you figure?
 
2006-08-11 6:13:08 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Voting party line 90% of the time somehow nulifies the claim? How do you figure?

Although these rankings aren't the end-all, be-all becuase of the limited number of votes used, they are a useful guide.

The ADA has him at 80% for 2005, tied for second lowest among Democrats and fairly close to the New England Republicans like Chaffee (75), Snowe (60) and Collins (60).
 
2006-08-11 6:18:29 PM  
They are just trying to bait Lamont, plain and simple.
 
2006-08-11 6:23:55 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: How do you figure?

i'd have to say losing the primary, and running as something other than a democrat figures in there somewhere.
 
2006-08-11 6:24:00 PM  
Submitter is right!

Way to pick a sharp candidate there, Connecticut

Lamont is sharp in that he was not going to be baited into making a personal assault.
 
2006-08-11 6:26:42 PM  
Mr. Lamont's response did him credit -- it didn't make him look bad at all. The Times threw out its standard libtard line that talking about the war being waged against us is somehow beyond the pale. Mr. Lamont didn't bite, and he didn't have a good answer right there and then, so he did what I wish more politicians did in such situations -- he STFU and WBTW.
 
2006-08-11 6:26:56 PM  
*crickets*
 
2006-08-11 6:27:48 PM  
"it will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England," Mr. Lieberman said at a campaign event in Waterbury, Conn. "It will strengthen them, and they will strike again." . . .

What, exactly, is wrong with that statement? He's not saying that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. In fact, he's making no inference at all about Iraq and 9/11. He's merely stating his opinion that AQ and other terrorists in Iraq at this time will see it as a tremendous victory. Does anyone really think that they wouldn't?

"To try to score political points on every international issue--" Mr. Lamont said, before stopping himself. Then he added, "Why do I have to say anything?"

He stopped himself because he realized that was exactly what he was doing by commenting on it. Nice.

The_Flatline: For 6 years they've been the whipping dogs, painfully obediant of the republicans but still yipping for some noise.

Obedient? Can I have some of what you're smoking?

Liberman claims he's a democrat, which is a load of bull.

I agree, he's not nearly left enough to fit in with what the Dems have become. He used to be smack in the middle of the Democrats ideologically. Now he's at the right fringe. If you read his record, he hasn't changed, the party has moved left without him.
 
2006-08-11 6:28:20 PM  
Got it from the hometown folks.
 
2006-08-11 6:30:27 PM  
Wow. This headline might as well have read "George Steinbrenner Breaks into Castle Greyskull, Discovers its Secrets" for all the relation to the actual article it brings.
 
2006-08-11 6:41:23 PM  
Nice reading comprehension, submitter. You're a credit to literacy.
 
2006-08-11 6:42:10 PM  
Lamont didn't seem to bright on the "Colbert Report". He kept repeating answers when he was being questioned, it was quite annoying.
 
2006-08-11 6:46:06 PM  
How dare submitter point out the incompetence and inanity of a democratically elected front runner in an election!

Submitter should be lynched for his presumption that potentially elected senators might have opinions on international relations and defense issues in a politically parsed partisan polling of his opinion that contains some semblance of intelligence. Lamont merely has to refrain from shtupping the pretty pages and looking great for the lens at this point to actually befuddle the happy campers in the great state of Nathan Hale.

I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my.... Why am I talking to you again? Leave me alone, you cretin!

I think I have some rope in my car for just this purpose. Please submit your home address submitter. Pronto!

For Lamont is the Power, the Glory, Forever and Ever,

RAmen
 
2006-08-11 6:50:54 PM  
/hops onto submitter is moran bandwagon
 
2006-08-11 6:51:57 PM  
Wow, submitter, you been taking PR classes from Harry Haifa? You sound like a hagannah guy desperately ripping quotes out of context to prove you're winning. Good company you've picked there. Just like Pat Robertson
 
2006-08-11 6:53:58 PM  
[image from sonofnostalgiazone.com too old to be available]
george steinbrenner is just emboldening the terrorists.
 
2006-08-11 6:56:15 PM  
Scooby's'pawn:I agree, he's not nearly left enough to fit in with what the Dems have become. He used to be smack in the middle of the Democrats ideologically. Now he's at the right fringe. If you read his record, he hasn't changed, the party has moved left without him.

Lieberman has always been slightly rightward of the Democrats on the authoritarian spectrum; the last few years have seen him become more and more repressive and anti-freedom. Remember how he dealt with Schiavo? Or his assertion that questioning the President on foreign policy was dangerous and intolerable? For that matter, he's also been on some sort of jihad against parents' right to decide what games are in their home; he's as much of a busybody as Tipper Gore. Yeah, he voted with the Democrats 90% of the time; it's just that the 10% where he didn't marks him as a sonofabiatch who never should have held political office. It's as if a judicial review board were to say "Sure, that judge ruled fairly and correctly 99% of the time. It's just that one percent of the time when he stood up in the courtroom and swore fealty to the principles of National Socialism and told that single mother to get back in the kitchen. He should be commended for his long service."

All the war issue did was wake us up to the fact that he doesn't belong in the Democratic party, and probably never did.
 
2006-08-11 6:56:54 PM  
Sorry to be off topic, but President Gore? Here's your chance to make free money, bet on Gore getting the nomination here. It's a lock!
 
2006-08-11 7:04:00 PM  
I would like to skip the "submitter is a moron" bandwagon and see if I can get a WSJ is a moron band playing.

Lets just look at the first sentence.

Ned Lamont, the Democrats' new agenda setter,
FALSE! No one person sets the agenda
has some deep thoughts on the war on terror,
FALSE! He may have them, but the WSJ does not quote Lamont saying anything about the war on terror.
the Lamont-loving New York Times reports.
FALSE! They are just good friends.

I could go on.

Tune in next week when the WSJ will talk about the liberal loving NYT
Followed the week after by talk of the Arab loving NYT.
Followed of course by the N*I*G*G*E*R loving NYT.
 
2006-08-11 7:04:09 PM  
The_Flatline
TFA submitter. Liberman chalked his loss up to "partisan" politics, which is assinine since this is all inner-party issues.


Liberman claims he's a democrat, which is a load of bull. When the talking points someone uses is almost verbaitum the talking points off of fox news and the administration, when it's hard to think of a time when you broke away from the republican party line, calling yourself a democrat is insulting and disgusting. It's an attempt to alter the political landscape by changing the language that we use to describe politics. His not winning his party's primary is proof that the democrats don't want to be the felch-party for the conservatives that are in power.


Comedy Gold.
 
2006-08-11 7:38:47 PM  
"Ned Lamont, the Democrats' new agenda setter,
FALSE! No one person sets the agenda"

Democrat? Agenda?

Now that's funny.
 
2006-08-11 7:42:40 PM  
Scooby's'pawn
What, exactly, is wrong with that statement? He's not saying that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. In fact, he's making no inference at all about Iraq and 9/11. He's merely stating his opinion that AQ and other terrorists in Iraq at this time will see it as a tremendous victory. Does anyone really think that they wouldn't?

Because on it's face it's a stupid statement - if Joe Lieberman loses the terrorists win? Do you seriously think international terrorists care about a state senate race? The man's a deluded tool.
 
2006-08-11 7:58:08 PM  
The Lamont/Lieberman race is the beginning of the end for the "checklist politics" Democrats like Lieberman have skated on to avoid criticism. We're looking at the big picture now, beyond just checking a few votes, and in that big picture, Lieberman is a liability.
 
2006-08-11 8:09:29 PM  
Vote Republican Lieberman, or the terrorists will rape your mom and kill your dog!
 
2006-08-11 8:20:59 PM  
It's pronounced "Connect A Cut", kids :)
 
2006-08-11 8:28:27 PM  
What higher brain function deficient greenlit this? Jesus, go out and buy green eggs and ham and start over.
 
2006-08-11 8:33:11 PM  
That article just makes me like Lamont more, because he was given a clear opportunity to take a cheap shot at Lieberman and he said "You know what? fark that and fark you, too, reporter. Lieberman's own comments indict him, and they need no help from me."

I'm kind of jealous I don't live in Connecticut :(
 
2006-08-11 8:33:53 PM  
Honest to god. Considering how Americans have responded to the last 6 years of complete undermining of American principles, and how susceptible you seem to be to thought control, you really are destined to only be reset through economic failure. You've been measured and found wanting. A true failure of character on a grand scale.
 
2006-08-11 8:34:19 PM  
It seems like at least half of the neocon headlines are outright lies, exaggerations or half-truths. Why is that?

Oh wait, it's because they're liars with no morals whatsoever.
 
2006-08-11 8:52:18 PM  
Superjoe
Oh wait, it's because they're liars with no morals whatsoever.

Harry Pooter
he said "You know what? fark that and fark you, too, reporter. Lieberman's own comments indict him, and they need no help from me."

So, Pooter is a liar with no morals too? Or is it different when you like what they say?
 
2006-08-11 9:03:22 PM  
Shouldn't submitter's read the prospective article before submitting them?
 
2006-08-11 10:43:53 PM  
Lieberman is sounding like the worst kind of Republican. Karl Rove is faxing talking points right into his mouth... "If Lamont wins the terrorists win," what a coont. Throw his high holy ass out of the party, let him run as farking Republican, which is what he is. Asshole.
 
2006-08-11 10:54:56 PM  
As a right-leaning Libertarian, I'm really enjoying the myopia so heavily on display in this thread.

If Karl Rove checked into any of these threads and found what the far left was cheering about... he would have auto-erotic orgasm with his Ronald Reagan blow up doll...

Mark my words the Republicans are going to burn you guys horribly in November... no... the Crats are going to fry themselves.
 
2006-08-11 11:13:45 PM  
Okay, not that I like Lieberman or Lamont (or whoever the poor guy running (R) is), but I really don't care what ANY Senate candidate outside my home state thinks about ANY issue.

Let me know when/if he gets elected. And when/if he ever votes off of the party line on anything.

//too state-centric?
 
2006-08-11 11:14:28 PM  
Abagadro: The ADA has him at 80% for 2005, tied for second lowest among Democrats and fairly close to the New England Republicans like Chaffee (75), Snowe (60) and Collins (60).

Not sure what ADA is (I think toothpaste). But doesn't it say something that Leiberman is being compared to self-acknowledged moderate Republicans, yet for him to be in that pool makes him not a moderate but a traitor.

No one has accused any of the three you mention of being traitors (no one sane I should say), they aren't about to lose their jobs. What does that say about the Democratic base?

That you seem to be saying there should be a GREATER divide between Republicans and Democrats when 90% ofAmerica would say here needs to be less divide speaks volumes.

RR----rrrr|dddd----DD
what most people want, leiberman being a "d"

RRRR-----rr|d-----DDDD
What you seem to be saying is better, and it is bad that leiberman is the "d", your three exmaples being the "r" types.
 
2006-08-11 11:47:07 PM  
I wasn't "saying" anything was "better."

I was pointing out that Lieberman's ADA (its the Americans for Democracy in Action, their rankings on votes are often used to rank "liberalness" in political science, just like the American Conservative Union scores are used for Republicans) is tied for second lowest in the party (and not the 90% stated. I compared them to Chafee, Snowe and Collins because they are in the same region. Partisanship is highly regional, which is what EVERYONE who talks about this seems to forget. Lieberman is indeed quite centrist. There is no way he could be a Republican in Mississippi, but he could be one in New England, which just happens to be where he is running. He went outside the scope of his constituents political spectrum and got burned for it. That's the long and short of it.
 
2006-08-12 12:13:52 AM  
elchip: Your search - "Americans for Democracy in Action" - did not match any documents.

Or, you could have tried searching for "ADA Rankings," which would have brought you here, to the website for Americans for Democratic Action.
 
2006-08-12 12:25:08 AM  
Way to take a quote out of context Submitter.
 
2006-08-12 12:38:04 AM  
Woops, sorry about that. I'm so used to ADA I screwed up the full name. I never said he was a Republican, I said he is on the bottom end of Democratic Senators, particularly for one in Connecticut. You don't primary voters going after Ben Nelson despite his 55 percent because he is in line with his constituency.

Regardless, Lieberman didn't screw himself with votes, he screwed himself with rhetoric. Other pro-war Democrats aren't getting heat because they have adopted and used the same rhetoric that the Bush administration has to demonize war opponents. That is what ultimately sunk Lieberman. He basically called a large block of his constituents traitors. That doesn't sit well.
 
2006-08-12 12:39:57 AM  
You don't see primary...
 
2006-08-12 12:48:25 AM  
Again, I'd like to thank all the Republicans giving such warm, helpful advice to Democrats on how to run our party! It's very big of you!

I'm sure you have nothing but the best wishes for us!
 
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