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(Some Guy)   Welcome to America, the Land of Opportunity. Unless you live in Austin, Texas, where officials believe there are too many taco stands and will shut you down in a New York second   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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807 clicks; posted to Politics » on 11 Aug 2006 at 10:36 AM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2006-08-11 2:59:14 AM  
God forbid they regulate food service so you don't eat cat meat and rat shiat.

I live in L.A. County where every restaurant has a letter grade. Greatest thing ever. You know exactly what restaurants to stay away from (anyone without a A or that you've ever seen without an A).
 
2006-08-11 3:12:55 AM  
I don't have a problem with keeping the food industry clean, but it doesn't sound like the public health is the concern in this case.

Then again, the article sucks ass and doesn't say much of anything, so it's probably an opinion piece.

Mmmmm...taquerias. We'll take one or two out where I live. The Mexican food is pretty lackluster here, and I don't always feel like cooking.
 
2006-08-11 3:16:17 AM  
omigodiAMjesus: so it's probably an opinion piece.

You think?
 
2006-08-11 3:23:28 AM  
If they're not in compliance with the health and food safety codes, shut them down, just like any restaurant
 
2006-08-11 7:49:47 AM  
They're talking about vans, not "restaurants".

/there can never, ever be enough taquerias
 
2006-08-11 8:49:36 AM  
We said religious, not religionist.


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2006-08-11 8:51:07 AM  
Yeah, I know--It's this laptop's fault, I swear, impossible to type on, fat-fingering everything.

BTW, did I ever tell you the one about the Greek, the Joo, and the Irishman walkin down the street, and. . .


.
 
2006-08-11 9:43:38 AM  
Oooh, illegal immigration vs. the unfettered free market. Two worthy opponents enter, only one will leave victorious. Republicans, start your wagering!
 
2006-08-11 10:41:54 AM  
Flatulent Texans scare me, too.
 
2006-08-11 11:02:19 AM  
Welcome to America, the Land of Opportunity. Unless you live in Austin, Texas, where officials believe there are too many taco stands and will shut you down in a New York second

Except... officials are just introducing licensing and its the other taco vendors who think there are too many. And none of them have been shut down yet.
 
2006-08-11 11:05:22 AM  
Taco stands in Texas introduced me to the breakfast taco. I'm hooked on them like crack.
 
2006-08-11 11:09:14 AM  
funny thing.. Laredo you might be able to get that at the taco stand too... [at least a few years ago...]
 
2006-08-11 11:15:37 AM  
oldfarthenry: Flatulent Texans scare me, too.

The comment and handle, when taken together, can be quite funny.
 
2006-08-11 11:19:53 AM  
The problem is that taco stands operate on the corner where Taco Bell sits, and the store owners are complaining to the local leaders, who are very attentive to their local business owners.

When you open a shop in a mall, you get a non-compete agreement with the landlord so a similar shop doesn't open right next door. Simple business. Taco stands should have to compete on a fair level with a business that has to pay rent, taxes, utilities, etc.

I do loves me some portable tacos, though. Hmmm, quandary.
 
2006-08-11 11:47:49 AM  
Are the regulations health based or competition based? In any case you do have to control things according to health standards and zoning requirements. Do I want the guy across the street to open a taco stand n front of my house? No. If he gets any business getting in and out of my house becomes a problem and who is going to pick up all the trash? Additionally what would be the hours of operation? What if he finds that there is a lucrative 7AM crowd or 12PM crowd?

There are reasons that zoning laws exist. The article has an obvious pro-anything you want bent.
 
2006-08-11 12:04:51 PM  
God forbid they regulate food service so you don't eat cat meat and rat shiat.

or trichina eggs.
 
2006-08-11 12:10:16 PM  
Yeah, but there are taco stands operating inside other taco stands in Austin. Worse than Starbucks!

Holy crap...a taco stand just opened five feet from my desk...now another! And now!

¿Quieres un burrito, amigo?
 
2006-08-11 12:18:31 PM  
People often forget that New York runs on a 23 hour day.
 
2006-08-11 12:23:08 PM  
Meh. Let me know when we have Muslim-free flights, buses, towns, etc.
 
2006-08-11 12:37:42 PM  
Great! How do these people expect me to maintain my crunchy taco kisses!?
 
2006-08-11 12:38:59 PM  
The closest thing near me I have to a taco stand is Chipotle.
 
2006-08-11 12:48:57 PM  
They sell tamales out of the trunks of their god damn cars around here...
 
2006-08-11 12:51:00 PM  
MisterRPG

Great! How do these people expect me to maintain my crunchy taco kisses!?

AWESOME! I love that episode.
 
2006-08-11 12:55:12 PM  
Bienvenido, Mexicanos. ¡Por favor, andale los taco stands a Boston, Massachusetts!
 
2006-08-11 1:07:29 PM  
mmmm.... Tacos.

So hungry.
 
2006-08-11 1:47:21 PM  
Ah yes, breakfast out of the back of a station wagon. Gives a whole new meaning to "chuck wagon."

vernonFL: Chipotle is good enough to want to live close to.
 
2006-08-11 1:47:48 PM  
smert: 12PM crowd?

what's so bad about the NOON crowd?

oh you meant 12AM yea that would suck
 
2006-08-11 2:49:34 PM  
Here is an article that explains it all.

And it is about health and safety as well as getting the stands legal, which they weren't before this ordinance.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid%3A394219

/sorry don't know how to do the httml to make it clickable..
 
2006-08-11 2:57:01 PM  
coffeeshark said:

The problem is that taco stands operate on the corner where Taco Bell sits, and the store owners are complaining to the local leaders, who are very attentive to their local business owners.

When you open a shop in a mall, you get a non-compete agreement with the landlord so a similar shop doesn't open right next door. Simple business. Taco stands should have to compete on a fair level with a business that has to pay rent, taxes, utilities, etc.


In the system known as "capitalism", using something called a "free market", bussinesses compete to provide the best service at the lowest price, for the lowest cost.

This is called "competition".

If the person competing with you finds a way to cut costs (such as by eliminating rent payments), then you can either figure out a way to compete with that, OR...

...you can bribe the local city council to use the powers of the government to shut down the competition through force.

Oh... forget what I said about capitalism and free markets. Doesn't apply in this case.

;)
 
2006-08-11 3:31:41 PM  
General Zang

capitalism and free market doesn't mean that health codes are not enforced or zoning laws. Additionally there have to be rules where you can set up a business. You don't see a problem with a road side taco stand until an accident occurs because someone stopped illegally on the road.

All the laws on the books aren't there to screw the buisnesses.
 
2006-08-11 3:35:50 PM  
General Zang,

It's all good until it's your shop that is targeted. Then all the advertising and hard work you've done to pull people to your location ends up going to the a-hole outside who bought a $400 cart, sells the same thing you do, and doesn't have to pay licensing, be subject to health inspections, etc etc but is allowed to basically pick off your customers for free.

It's not "competition", it's "unfair competition". Try to reason that through as the business owner. I don't have that kind of problem, but I can definitely see through their eyes.

I'm sure you would open a restaurant, pay tens of thousands of dollars to get it going, and then you'd be perfectly happy that someone wheels a cart in front of your restaurant and sells the same stuff for less because they have no costs.

Don't be so glib when quoting terms, it shows a lack of understanding on the issue. A store owner cannot compete (in costs) with a cart pusher.

Or maybe you'd prefer thousands of "rent eliminated" carts trolling around the streets, instead of health-inspected, licensed businesses?
 
2006-08-11 3:53:53 PM  
fark taco stands, I want döner kebab!
 
2006-08-11 4:38:03 PM  
Here in NY, its not Tacos so much but there are a lot of women sitting on the sidewalk selling Churros, which appear to be fried dough filled with sugar. I'm not brave enough to try them though.

/the cliche is "NY minuted" by the way.
 
2006-08-11 5:56:11 PM  
coffeeshark said:

General Zang,

I'm sure you would open a restaurant, pay tens of thousands of dollars to get it going, and then you'd be perfectly happy that someone wheels a cart in front of your restaurant and sells the same stuff for less because they have no costs.


You're sure? You're sure that I'm the kind of idiot who would open up a new restaurant, pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privelege, and then bleed money like an open wound for two years until the restaurant gained enough bussiness to start turning a profit?

And you're sure that I'm the kind of guy who'd do all that, instead of just buying a $400 cart and jumping right into making a profit my thrid week in bussiness?

Don't be so sure ;)

It's not "competition", it's "unfair competition". Try to reason that through as the business owner. I don't have that kind of problem, but I can definitely see through their eyes.

Try to think this through like a smart bussinessperson.

Bussiness is about providing goods or services, at the lowest cost, and then charging the lowest possible price.

If some competitor is paying $1000 a month in rent, and another $500 a month in utilities and other crap, then that's his choice... but it doesn't obligate me to make the same choice.

Perhaps you think that all of the bussinesses doing bussiness on Ebay operating out of people's garages are "unfair competition" because they aren't paying rent for an office in some office-park?

Or perhaps you think that Netflix is "unfair competion" for video rental stores, because the poor mom-and-pop video stores have to pay rent AND local and state sales taxes?

Perhaps you think that Itunes is "unfair competition" for the record stores, because Itunes doesn't have to pay rent on thousands of local outlets in each town where they do bussiness with the locals?

Too bad, so sad. Ebay, Netflix, Itunes, and the local guy with the mobile taco stand have figured out how to shave expenses so their bussinesses will be more efficient.

Heck... the reason that they guys running an actual Taco restaurant CAN'T compete with this, is because the restaurants are specifically designed so that the owner can sit at home while high-school students making minimum-wage can do the labor for him.... whereas the guy pushing the mobile taco stand around IS the bussiness owner, and is doing the work personally.

So the fat guy sitting at home while others do the labor for him will cry that this is all so "unfair", because there ain't no way in hell he's willing to actually go out in the hot sun and earn his living by his OWN sweat, like the taco stand owner is doing.
 
2006-08-11 9:55:30 PM  
 
2006-08-11 11:30:50 PM  
General,

Did you really just compare a Taco stand outside the Taco Bell stealing customers, to Ebay? Way to miss the point.

Online competition is a completely different business model (and application), with a different customer base, and has nothing to do with a physical taco stand, which was what I was talking about. If the taco stand guy was selling his tacos online, your comparison might have a bit of relevance, but alas, it has none.

Bleed your heart for the Taco stand owner, I'm not. He's an opportunistic customer stealing dick (oops, I mean hard-working business owner), and if he was in front of my restaurant (not that I have one), he would be meeting me very quickly. Not every business owner is a fatass sitting at home employing minimum wage teens. Great generalization, though.

Sounds like you DO want a bunch of food carts pushed around town instead of restaurants. Nice town you'll have there. But at least it'll be cheap.

Oh, and business isn't just about price, it's about price, service, customer experience, customer relations, trust.... Sure, lots of people only care about price, and those are the ones that the taco stand owner is stealing.

And we haven't even gotten into the whole health issue, inspections, food handlers permits, etc. More costs your precious taco stand hardworking owner doesn't suffer.

This doesn't apply at all to any cart owner doing his business where allowed, or where it does not interfere with a similar business.

Trust me, I did think this through as a small business owner. Now it's your turn.
 
2006-08-11 11:58:31 PM  
coffeeshark said:

Trust me, I did think this through as a small business owner. Now it's your turn.


Me too. I also thought this through as a small bussiness owner.

Because, as you keep trying to ignore, the taco stand owner is also a small bussiness owner.... and one who is able to compete with bussinesses that have 1000 times as much capital investment.
 
2006-08-12 12:08:23 AM  
coffeeshark said:

Sounds like you DO want a bunch of food carts pushed around town instead of restaurants. Nice town you'll have there. But at least it'll be cheap.


Actually, if it were up to me (and it isn't), and I had the choice between a town full of bussinesses that were run by owner/operators... or a town full of bussinesses that were all run as store #946 by some half-assed management team on behalf of some corporation five states away.... then I'd much prefer a town where the locals ran the bussinesses.

Why? Because the locals are real Human Beings. They are your neighbors, they are people you pass in the street every day, people who know you, and people who you know.

The corporate-run places are run like the local customers are interchangeable peas-in-a-pod, or just numbers on a balance sheet, with no humanity or soul, or neighborliness in their operations whatsoever.

Me... I prefer Human Beings. Which is why'd I'd general be inclined to support a real Human Being who ran a taco stand, over the carbon unit known as manager trainee #7863 who speaks on behalf of Taco Bell Franchise #897345.

But, hey, I guess I'm just an old-fashioned guy.
 
2006-08-12 9:49:50 AM  
But now the taco stands are trying to unite:

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid%3A394219 (pops)
 
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