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(Yahoo)   Lousiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, who waited three days before asking Bush to send the National Guard after Katrina, opposes federalization of the National Guard because "governors just need to make quick decisions"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2006-08-07 4:16:49 PM  
Someone's trollin'.
 
2006-08-07 4:30:27 PM  
Goddammit.

Somebody more organized than me please debunk this crap with that Hurricane Katrina timeline and end this thread, please?
 
2006-08-07 4:36:57 PM  
Wasn't that the hurricane where Barbara Bush said how all the black people should be happy in the shelters since they were use to living that way.
 
2006-08-07 4:39:06 PM  
I can't stand that coont, but I must say, I'm adamently against the federalization of the guard.

I thought we were a group of united States. I guess not.
 
2006-08-07 4:39:29 PM  
Friday, August 26, 2005;

At 1:00 AM EDT (0500 UTC), maximum sustained winds had decreased to 70 mph and Katrina was again downgraded to a tropical storm. At 5:00 AM EDT (0900 UTC), the eye of Hurricane Katrina was located just offshore of southwestern Florida over the Gulf of Mexico about 50 miles (80 km) north-northeast of Key West, Florida. Maximum sustained winds had again increased to 75 mph (121 km/h) and Katrina was upgraded again to a category 1 hurricane.

In early afternoon, the National Hurricane Center officially shifts the possible track of Katrina from the Florida Panhandle to the Mississippi/Louisiana coast. Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco declared a state of emergency for the state of Louisiana.[4] The declaration included activation of the state of Louisiana's emergency response and recovery program under the command of the director of the state office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness to supply emergency support services. Following the declaration of a state of emergency, federal troops were deployed to Louisiana to coordinate the planning of operations with FEMA.[5]

By 11:00 PM EDT (1500 UTC), the National Hurricane Center predicted that Hurricane Katrina would strike the town of Buras-Triumph, Louisiana, 66 miles (106 km) southeast of New Orleans.[6]

Monday, August 29, 2005

At 6:10 AM CDT (1110 UTC), Hurricane Katrina made its second landfall as a Category 3 hurricane near Buras-Triumph, Louisiana, with sustained winds of 125 mph (201 km/h).

By 8:00 AM CDT (1300 UTC), in New Orleans, water was seen rising water on both sides of the Industrial Canal. By 9:00 AM CDT (2100 UTC), there was 6-8 feet of water in the Lower Ninth Ward.[15]

From Wikipedia
 
2006-08-07 5:27:11 PM  
gilgigamesh: Somebody more organized than me please debunk this crap with that Hurricane Katrina timeline and end this thread, please?


OK!
 
2006-08-07 5:33:32 PM  
Wow, Chipper2 posted the relevant info AND made DIA look like a stupid partisan hack.

/cheers!
 
2006-08-07 5:45:11 PM  
Didn't read it, did you Litterbox? The whole notion being that the Feds didn't act fast enough...Which they can't without being asked... Blanco herself admitted that she didn't ask for help soon enough. Now she's whining that because of her inaction and the resulting shiatstorm, a proposal (which I oppose) is being floated to wrest control from idiots like her so that it doesn't happen again...

But don't let that stop you from doing little more than throwing insults around. Makes you look smart to all the other kids on the playground.
 
2006-08-07 6:41:54 PM  
Federalization just for the sake of federalization makes no sense," said Gov. Kathleen Blanco of Louisiana, a Democrat who had rough relations with the Bush administration after the disaster last year. "You don't need federalization to get federal troops. ... Just making quick decisions can make things happen."


well first of - STFU. You don't get to make that argument. You were slow to react and it cost lives. Shut. Up.

Now that we got that out of the way, the scumsucking slimeball corrupt vote whore has a point - it is a really really bad idea to give the President direct control over national guard units. The way that proposal is worded, just about anything could give the President legal authority to activate guard units for just about anything. That's the sort of groundwork that I'd rather not see given to the executive branch.
 
2006-08-07 7:42:28 PM  
I happen to agree with the governors in general about not federalizing the National Guard.

Lest we forget, however, Blanco screwed the pooch big time on waiting too long to ask for help. Via NewsBusters (bold emphases mine):

NBC's Lisa Myers Reports on Governor Blanco's Katrina Mistakes
Posted by Brad Wilmouth on October 9, 2005 - 00:04.

On the Saturday edition of the NBC Nightly News, anchored by John Seigenthaler, correspondent Lisa Myers reported several critical mistakes made by Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco in handling the Hurricane Katrina crisis. The story even showcased a whispered conversation, recorded by CNN, between Blanco and an aide in which Blanco admitted she had been too slow in asking for federal troops. Blanco: "I really need to call for the military ... and I should have started that in the first call."

Myers also relayed that when Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation 20 hours before Katrina hit, they were ignoring the advice of experts who had warned it would take 48 hours. Additionally, Blanco was slow to get National Guard troops to restore order. A complete transcript of the story follows:

John Seigenthaler: "In the aftermath of the hurricanes, NBC News has been taking a hard look at response failures by government officials, and there are plenty to go around. We've already brought you reviews of federal and city actions. Well, tonight, NBC's senior investigative correspondent Lisa Myers focuses on the performance of Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco."

Lisa Myers: "It was Governor Blanco's first big disaster, and on that Saturday, less than 48 hours before Katrina hit, she reassured the state."

Governor Kathleen Blanco (D-LA): "I believe that we are really prepared. That's the one thing that I've always been able to brag about."

Myers: "Though experts had warned it would take 48 hours to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco did not order a mandatory evacuation that Saturday."

Blanco: "And we're going to pray that the impact will soften."

Myers: "She and the mayor waited until Sunday, only 20 hours before Katrina came ashore, to order a mandatory evacuation, the first of what disaster experts and Louisiana insiders say were serious mistakes by the governor."

State Senator Donald Cravins (D-LA): "It certainly appeared that there was a lot of indecisiveness exhibited by the governor in the early stages of the disaster."

Myers: "A key criticism, the governor's slowness in requesting federal troops. She told the President she needed help, but it wasn't until Wednesday that she specifically asked for 40,000 troops. That day, in a whispered conversation with her staff caught on camera, the governor appears to second-guess herself."

Blanco: "I really need to call for the military."

Unidentified female aide: "Yes, you do. Yes, you do."

Blanco: "And I should have started that in the first call."

Myers: "Another key mistake, experts say, Blanco's lateness in getting the Louisiana National Guard, which she commands, on the streets to try to establish security."

Jane Bullock, Former Clinton FEMA Official: "It would have been better if it had happened sooner."


Myers: "And remember the chaos at the Convention Center? We now know there were at least 250 Guardsmen deployed in another part of that building. But they were engineers, not police, so they were not directed to help restore order or even to share their food and water."

Colonel Doug Mouton, Louisiana National Guard: "I think we would've hurt a lot of people if we'd tried to take that on."

Myers: "The governor would not say whether she made the decision not to use these troops, and tells NBC News that her state's response to Katrina was, quote, 'very well-planned' and 'executed with great precision and effectiveness.'"

Roy Fletcher, Louisiana Political Consultant: "How could any governor argue that they have done what they can do when people were left on an interstate without food and water for a week?"

Myers: "The governor has said she takes responsibility for what went wrong, but insists her biggest mistake was believing FEMA officials who told her help was on the way. Lisa Myers, NBC News, Washington."
 
2006-08-07 7:43:28 PM  
gilgigamesh: Somebody more organized than me please debunk this crap with that Hurricane Katrina timeline and end this thread, please?

See my previous post. I doubt it will end the thread, unless proving Blanco herself admitted she waited too long to ask for help will end the thread.
 
2006-08-07 7:44:05 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: gilgigamesh: Somebody more organized than me please debunk this crap with that Hurricane Katrina timeline and end this thread, please?

OK!


Sorry--didn't realize you linked to the same thing I did.
 
2006-08-07 7:45:27 PM  
kabloink: Wasn't that the hurricane where Barbara Bush said how all the black people should be happy in the shelters since they were use to living that way.

No, it was the hurricane where she visited some people in the Astrodome, remarked that at least they were better off than they'd been in New Orleans without food, water or shelter, then had every asshat in the country pretend she meant what you just said.
 
2006-08-07 7:49:00 PM  
Chipper2: From Wikipedia

Litterbox: Wow, Chipper2 posted the relevant info AND made DIA look like a stupid partisan hack.

/cheers!


Yeah, facts from Wiki... gimme 2 minutes and I can amend all that, you know.

Sorry, Litterbox... looks like someone needs to have their sand changed.
 
2006-08-07 8:42:53 PM  
LitterboxWow, Chipper2 posted the relevant info AND made DIA look like a stupid partisan hack."

Ya, DIA posted something completely irrelevant like the governor's own words.

Shame on you DIA!
 
2006-08-07 8:57:36 PM  
I trust Blanco 1000x more than Bush. Maybe she screwed up, but she's not a compulsive liar with a low IQ, like Bush.
 
2006-08-07 9:21:24 PM  
Not to rain on the blanco bashing parade, but Fema was mobilized on August 26.

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana

And before you all start whining about how Blanco was supposed to specifically ask for the assistance - "Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency."
 
2006-08-07 9:31:11 PM  
RocketRod
Yeah, facts from Wiki... gimme 2 minutes and I can amend all that, you know.

Sorry, Litterbox... looks like someone needs to have their sand changed.

Were you going to amend the link to the PDF which shows they were mobilized on the 26th too?
 
2006-08-07 9:36:52 PM  
not to mention that Federalization of the National Guard is a totally seperate issue from when Blanco requested federal assistance.
A. See Dinki's post above.
B. Govenors have the power to activate THEIR OWN National Gaurd and don't require Presidential authority to do it.
C. They don't need Presidential Authority to request assitance from Guard Units in other states either. If anybody could get uppity about that kind of move, it would have to be Congress.
D. you wanna biatch about Blanco...or discuss Federalizing the State Run National Guard...which scares the shiat outta me.
 
2006-08-07 9:44:41 PM  
You partisan hacks can play the blame game all you want, but the rest of the world looked on wondering what your f*cking problem was.
 
2006-08-07 10:01:21 PM  
Stratohead: Govenors have the power to activate THEIR OWN National Gaurd and don't require Presidential authority to do it.


Which Blanco didn't do and Bush got the blame. Now you get a typical response from the government...Fix what isn't broken because the idiot population thinks it's broken...
 
2006-08-07 10:08:17 PM  
I oppose nationalization of the National Guard because

1. Katrina is not a good excuse. People dropped the ball, and it wasn't the National Guard's fault that they weren't properly utilized.

2. Hey, Republicans, you're supposed to be AGAINST taking powers away from the states. The individual states need to have the right to their own militia which they can appropriate where they see fit. The government already has all the other branches, can't they leave this one alone?

/Liberal
//Tired of "Republicans" encouraging big government
 
2006-08-07 10:29:50 PM  
superluminal girl

Once again, it was stupid twits that pissed and moaned about how the Feds sat on their hands while New Orleans sank...The rest of us kept saying it wasn't Washington's problem....

Look like the squeaky wheel is getting the grease...

BTW...How do you fell about Bush's response?
 
2006-08-07 11:04:19 PM  
2006-08-07 04:30:27 PM gilgigamesh [TotalFark] Goddammit.

Somebody more organized than me please debunk this crap with that Hurricane Katrina timeline and end this thread, please?



By your command This is a very good one compiled shortly after Katrina

Here's the Money graf: (Remember the storm didn't hit until Mon-Tues 29-30):

Friday, August 26

GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA [Office of the Governor]

GULF COAST STATES REQUEST TROOP ASSISTANCE FROM PENTAGON: At a 9/1 press conference, Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, commander, Joint Task Force Katrina, said that the Gulf States began the process of requesting additional forces on Friday, 8/26. [DOD]


Saturday, August 27

GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor]

5AM CDT - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office of the Governor]

FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA: "Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency." [White House]


Now did the submitter or anyone else have something else stupid to say?
 
2006-08-07 11:34:46 PM  
Dancin in Anson

I don't know how I feel about Bush's response, because I'm terribly biased against him.

I do feel bad that all the people who remained in the while the hurricane struck got blamed for not leaving. Does it even matter why they didn't leave? We should give help to our citizens in need, whether we think they deserve it or not. They are still human beings.
 
2006-08-07 11:35:35 PM  
Now did the submitter or anyone else have something else stupid to say?

Guess you ignored the part where Blanco already admitted waiting too long to order the 40,000 National Guard troops, which isn't Bush's fault. Don't worry, it's okay to admit you're wrong; I'll forgive you. Come on, quoting ThinkProgress, a well-known liberal blog? Sure, we'll get an objective viewpoint there!
 
2006-08-08 12:17:09 AM  
Dinki: Not to rain on the blanco bashing parade, but Fema was mobilized on August 26.

FEMA != The National Guard. Read the headline again.
 
2006-08-08 12:39:21 AM  
The CraneMeister: FEMA != The National Guard.

FEMA has authority to call in whatever people it wants, including members of National Guard units (for in-state or out of state) and even the U.S. Military once a state of emergency is declared. FEMA actually has extraordinary powers.

Frankly, every level of government from the feds on down screwed the pooch on Katrina. Plenty of blame to go around.
 
2006-08-08 12:58:59 AM  
Maybe she was too busy stuffing chocolate into her mouth?
 
2006-08-08 1:06:55 AM  
It's amazing to me that people try to turn what was a total debacle at every level of government into a partisan argument. Bush screwed up, Blanco screwed up, Nagin screwed up and FEMA screwed up. Guess what, if you count on the government to handle a crisis well, you're going to end up disappointed.
 
2006-08-08 1:11:09 AM  
Abagadro: Frankly, every level of government from the feds on down screwed the pooch on Katrina. Plenty of blame to go around.

No arguments there. Notice how the headline doesn't mention Bush or FEMA at all--just Blanco saying governors can handle it with quick decisions.
 
2006-08-08 1:15:32 AM  
The CraneMeister: Notice how the headline doesn't mention Bush

Is the headline different on my computer than everybody elses?

...who waited three days before asking Bush to send the National Guard after Katrina...

Heh.
 
2006-08-08 1:35:49 AM  
...and thus we need to discard the 10th amendment. 'Cuz some dumbarse supports it.

That'd be like Republicans abandoning the death penalty if Ted Kennedy came out in support of it.
 
2006-08-08 1:45:42 AM  
FEMA is NOT the National Gaurd.

and acutally...the Guard Unit Posted in New Orleans actually got knock out by the early flooding.

go watch the video at the following...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/storm/
 
2006-08-08 7:29:20 AM  
you republicans need to learn to take some responsibility for your leader's actions.
FEMA has the capability to call in the guard. The prez can send the guard to Iraq but not New Orleans? c'mon. next I guess you'll be making excuses for his guitar playing cake eating while the city drowned debacle.
 
2006-08-08 8:56:07 AM  
So basically everyone involved is standing around pointing fingers at everyone else. Everyone is in full CYA mode and the only response anyone can come up with is to talk about federalizing the state national guard units.

The whole situation was mismanaged at both the Federal and State levels and nobody can discuss how to prevent similar situations from occurring by looking at where process and procedure broke down.

Partisan politics is a poison that is slowly killing our nation.
 
2006-08-08 9:16:14 AM  
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If only busses were made available the human tragedy would have been avoided. I for one blame Bush; clearly he hates black people.

First there was the weather report, and I didn't evacuate.
Then there was the evacuation order, yet still I stayed.
Then it rained and my tv died, so I went to the stadium.
Now I'm hungry, hot, and sober - damn you racist crackers!
 
2006-08-08 9:28:14 AM  
Hobodeluxe

The prez can send the guard to Iraq but not New Orleans?

YES!

In fact, that's the point behind numerous provisions of US law, starting with:

18 USC Section 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.


Of course, the President didn't send the Army to Iraq; Congress did.

"The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to... enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."


Welcome to the real world, dumbass.
 
2006-08-08 9:39:17 AM  
Blanco is an idiot. I would love to give her some of the Lieberman treatment. I am not going to defend her here or anywhere. She signed a law banning all abortions in La. With Democrats like that, might as well have a Republican.
 
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