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(Some Racist Huff)   Political Correctness 101: When a GOP governor calls the Big Dig project a "tar baby," he's a racist. When a Dem journalist depicts Joe Lieberman in blackface, she's exercising her First Amendment rights   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line
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2006-08-02 4:06:36 PM  
"What the hell is the deal with the white guy in blackface? I do believe this woman has lost her mind. Not that any liberals will call her on it - that is saved for conservatives who make minor mistakes.

The mind boggles at the hypocrisy of the left."


Whatever you say, pro-life war-lover!
 
2006-08-02 4:11:59 PM  
What a screeching left wing rant. Blech!
 
2006-08-02 4:14:08 PM  
glenlivid: Whatever you say, pro-life war-lover!

Don't forget pro-death-penalty and anti-welfare!
 
2006-08-02 4:15:27 PM  
Where's the blackface in that article? Viewed it in both FF and IE - nuthin'
 
2006-08-02 4:16:25 PM  
Sneaky, sneaky!

This blog post was described in James Taranto's "Best of the Web" less than an hour ago. Now the offending image is gone.

But no matter: It's stashed here:

[image from i109.photobucket.com too old to be available]
 
2006-08-02 4:16:51 PM  
IS the journalist an elected representative who needs to know how to speak diplomatically as part of his job?

No?

Then quit bothering me with this shiat.

/didn't rtfa
 
2006-08-02 4:18:37 PM  
submitter: When a Dem journalist depicts Joe Lieberman in blackface

When smitty resorts to the race card where it didn't appear in the article, he's an asshole hoping to score talking points.
 
2006-08-02 4:19:27 PM  
Apparently I stand corrected.
 
2006-08-02 4:20:11 PM  
bboy: "Don't forget pro-death-penalty and anti-welfare!"

Save Terri Schiavo, but throw mentally ill people onto the street!
 
2006-08-02 4:22:12 PM  
I don't understand the picture. What is it supposed to represent?
 
2006-08-02 4:23:16 PM  
Oh, BTW: If you doubt the photo's previous existence, check out the comments:

Jane, now please tell me once again just how Ned Lamont isn't Ralph Nader redux.

BTW, what's with the blatantly racist pic? Is it supposed to show Bubba with his personal tarbaby?

By: Republicnotademocracy on August 02, 2006 at 11:24am
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I hate to be one of those people, that needs an explanation for every little seemingly-shockingly-racist picture posted to little or no good effect and which draws slings and arrows from the right immediately (viz. Michelle Malkin...)

But what's going on with that picture? Am I supposed to "get it"?

By: Auguste on August 02, 2006 at 12:49pm
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What the hell is the deal with the white guy in blackface? I do believe this woman has lost her mind. Not that any liberals will call her on it - that is saved for conservatives who make minor mistakes.

The mind boggles at the hypocrisy of the left.

By: TWM on August 02, 2006 at 12:56pm
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Don't forget that Jane led the pack charging Ben Domenech with racism... But liberals can't be racist by definition don't you know.

By: OCSteve on August 02, 2006 at 01:06pm
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2006-08-02 4:24:49 PM  
orrinbloquy: Apparently I stand corrected.

I suspected they might try that. The blog post was described in today's "Opinion Journal" and the photo disappeared less than an hour later.

/right-click is your friend
 
2006-08-02 4:27:15 PM  
Since when are "racist" and "exercising her First Amendment rights" mutually exclusive?

Romney's an idiot for using the term "tar baby"
Hamsher's an idiot for depicting Lieberman in blackface

Both should be held accountable. Don't like what Hamsher wrote, don't read her writings (or write about her). Don't like what Romney did, vote against him (or write about him).
 
2006-08-02 4:28:02 PM  
So the racist in question is the person who photoshopped the picture?

I'm good with that. Find them, and point a finger at them in an *extremely* disapproving fashion. Just like we did with the Tar Baby comment.
 
2006-08-02 4:30:12 PM  
The CraneMeister: But no matter: It's stashed here:

Did someone take a screenshot, to see the page in context??
 
2006-08-02 4:30:20 PM  
El_Perro: Romney's an idiot for using the term "tar baby"

Unlike all these other journalists and politicians, all of whom used the term in public without getting screamed at by the NAACP, but none of whom happen to be a Republican, like Mitt Romney?
 
2006-08-02 4:30:32 PM  
El_Perro: Romney's an idiot for using the term "tar baby"


How so? It's a very accurate description of the Big Pig...
 
2006-08-02 4:34:04 PM  
I can't speak for all liberals, but the only thing that angered me about Romney's "tar baby" remark was that he was so quick to apologize instead of telling oversensitive idiots to quit being such crybabies.

On the other hand, the pic in Hamsher's blog was completely inappropriate. She'd be better off apologizing for bad judgement than trying to pretend it never happened.
 
2006-08-02 4:35:13 PM  
I have to agree with Dancin. Shocking.. I know. By definition the term Tar Baby was used correctly in all of those statements. Whether Republican or Democrat.

I find the blackfaced Lieberman pic much more offensive. Even though I am no fan of Lieberman.
 
2006-08-02 4:36:55 PM  
"tar baby" has two meanings. People shouldn't assume the worst when they hear a word or phrase (see the "nubianrdly" hubbub from some time past).

It doesn't make sense to think "He's referring to a black person" when someone is referring to the Boston tunnel kerfuffle as a tar baby. Stoopede.

That said, the guy is a dumbfack for using a phrase that has semi-common knowledge alternate (and derisive) meanings.

That said, the dumbfack was a dumbfeck for using the phrase after Tony Snow caught heat for using the same phrase.


/I don't see tar-baby in the linked article...
 
2006-08-02 4:39:39 PM  
Also, you guys are making an awful big deal about this. coulterizing this
Just ignore her and she'll go away.
 
2006-08-02 4:40:48 PM  

Did someone take a screenshot, to see the page in context??


Good point. What was the caption, if any. The picture doesn't make any sense with this article.
 
2006-08-02 4:45:21 PM  
and the whole black face thing worked out so well for Ted Danson
 
2006-08-02 4:45:48 PM  
I didn't take a screenshot, but there was no caption. It was at the head of the article.
 
2006-08-02 4:47:12 PM  
stebain: Good point. What was the caption, if any. The picture doesn't make any sense with this article.

There was no caption; just a credit that said "Graphic by DarkBlack" (which they apparently forgot to remove with the photo).

The photo was in the text where the ad is now. I'm trying to find a cached version on Google; no luck yet.
 
2006-08-02 4:49:56 PM  
Yeah, the picture makes no sense to me. Why is Bill Clinton waering sungalsses with no ear thingees? Why is Lieberman in blackface? I don't get it.
 
2006-08-02 4:53:46 PM  
The CraneMeister: I'm trying to find a cached version on Google; no luck yet.

The article appears in news.yahoo.com and news.google.com, but it apparently isn't in their main directories yet, because it's not showing up--hence no cached version.

My Search Fu is weak, however. Anyone else smarter at this stuff than I am?
 
2006-08-02 4:56:00 PM  
GWLush: Yeah, the picture makes no sense to me. Why is Bill Clinton waering sungalsses with no ear thingees? Why is Lieberman in blackface? I don't get it.

As The CraneMeister said, they removed the image, but left the caption, "Graphic by DarkBlack" ... and when you click the link to the person who made the post, you see A LOT of references to what must be on his mind;

"There is a special satisfaction I am going to take in watching Joe Lieberman get his ass kicked in this race by the African Americans who are showing up to support Ned Lamont.

One of the many delusions under which Holy Joe suffers is that he is black. Or at least he believes that he owns the African American vote because he marched in '63."



... seems like this guy posted the image of Lieberman in blackface - the same way that people who think Condi id more "white" than black have also attempted to smear her ... in other words, Lieberman detractors see his actions as being fake, when he speaks with members of the black community, or reaches out for the black vote.

I guess you'd have to be following the story in Conn. to really understand what is going on.
 
2006-08-02 4:59:18 PM  
... or that Joe is an "Uncle Tom" to the democrats, by pretending to be a democrat, all the while, cozying up to teh Evil Republicans™!! BruHAHAHAHHA!
 
2006-08-02 5:01:59 PM  
"Graphic by DarkBlack"
So, we don't know if it is her image?
 
2006-08-02 5:13:16 PM  
stebain: So, we don't know if it is her image?

It was the cutline under the offending image, so I doubt it.

I Googled "Graphic by Darkblack" and found other blog posts with similar PS goodness:

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/07/13/late-nite-fdl-sometimes-they-get-one-rig ht/

http://humorhasit.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_humorhasit_archive.html
 
2006-08-02 5:18:02 PM  
It's offical. I don't understand DarkBlacks sense of humor. What is that one with him dressed as a chicken injecting a rooster mean?
 
2006-08-02 5:31:47 PM  
Let's see:

A politician uses a term that some consider racist (others don't), is criticized by one group (apparently, I haven't seen any stories on it) and quickly apologizes. Others have used it two or three times over the last two decades without much attention being paid to it.

A blog posts a ridiculously racist (not to mention stupid) picture done by someone else, is criticized by several posters in the comments and quickly takes it down.

Clearly, this means something that indicts somebody for something and proves that someone is something therefore delegitimizing everything that someone says. Or not.
 
2006-08-02 5:55:21 PM  
Abagadro: Clearly, this means something that indicts somebody for something and proves that someone is something therefore delegitimizing everything that someone says. Or not.

I think you nailed it. Nothing like clarity--it's a breath of fresh air amid all the obfuscation.
 
2006-08-02 6:01:48 PM  
Since this is also on the topic of the "tar baby" here is a long post exploring the definition of the word and the use from the thread above that might not go to the front page since it is closely on topic (although I think its a better article than this one).

Deveyn
And this term is racist how?

Ok well lets go to the definitions to see if its racist.

From webster.com, http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/tar%20baby:

"tar baby
One entry found for tar baby.


Main Entry: tar baby
Function: noun
Etymology: from the tar baby that trapped Brer Rabbit in an Uncle Remus story by Joel Chandler Harris
: something from which it is nearly impossible to extricate oneself"


This is the wikipedia definition, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_baby:

"A tar baby was originally a character from African folklore; in the Uncle Remus stories, it is a doll made out of tar. From that usage, it has gained the metaphoric meaning of a "sticky situation"[1], that is, one whose resolution is only aggravated by efforts to solve it.

Over the years, however, that term has also acquired a negative connotation as a derogatory term for black people (such as African Americans in the United States or Maoris in New Zealand), or to an especially dark skinned black person by other lighter skinned black persons.[1]"


This definition is from the urbandictionary.com (most definitions there have the above definition except for this one), http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tar+baby:

"2. tar baby 130 up, 94 down

Tar baby is a synonym for attractive and successful African-American, except that it is only used in bigoted manners, whereas attractive and successful African-American can be a sign of respect, if the speaker is also African American.

It comes from a children's story in which the dark skin and seeming ignorance (caused by a lack of schooling) of slaves were explained by the idea that black children were baptised in tar, which made them dark and dumb.

see attractive and successful African-American

Biff: Let's beat the sh*t out of that tar baby.
Tad: Shall we?"


Looking at the various definitions, it appears that this was a benign statement that some twisted into a racial slur. Some people use it as its formal definition of a sticky situation that you can't get out of, that others with the racial slur definition find offensive. Honestly I didn't even connect the term to a racial slur until I saw some of these definitions.

Lets use the smell test to see if there is offense. When discussing the Big Dig, was Mitt Romney saying it was African American's fault that the tunnel is collapsing? Of course not, he was saying the Big Dig situation is a mess and it will be difficult to find a solution. When Tony Snow was refusing to discuss the surveillance measures used by the White House, was he doing so because African Americans had screwed it up or was it because the topic was very complicated and messy? When John Kerry used the term to describe Iran, was it because he was commenting on African Americans or that foreign policy was difficult.

Jeez people need to grow up and realize that just because you may find offense in a term, doesn't mean that is what the term is being used to say or that is the only way to understand the word. It's just like the term "handsome nubian" (if you get my meaning), it can be used as a term of friendship, respect, or if used another way be a hateful term. Do we ban the use of "handsome nubian" by all individuals since some understand the word as hateful? No, you selectively interpret the meaning based on the topic of discussion when the word is used. Why can't the same be done for the term "tar baby?"
 
2006-08-02 6:37:06 PM  
I get it. If you don't exactly toe the party line, we can just claim that you're a shill for the other party and we win!!
 
2006-08-02 7:12:01 PM  
Daedalus27: Jeez people need to grow up and realize that just because you may find offense in a term, doesn't mean that is what the term is being used to say or that is the only way to understand the word.

You wasted that entire post defending an offensive racist epithet.

Congratulations.
 
2006-08-02 7:21:33 PM  
The term "tar baby" has been hijacked. Did anyone read what Romney actually said? He said the project was a tar baby, as in things keep going into it and never coming back, just as Br'er Rabbit got stuck and wasted his time trying to escape.

Had Romney said something to the effect of "This project is a tar baby because many of the workers eat fried chicken", there may be a case for racism accusations. But he didn't.
 
2006-08-02 7:23:49 PM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: Lieberman detractors see his actions as being fake, when he speaks with members of the black community, or reaches out for the black vote.

I guess you'd have to be following the story in Conn. to really understand what is going on.


It is hard to figure out what the poster is smoking. But yeah, I'm guessing the person did a ridiculously bad Photoshop job to highlight that he thinks Clinton and Lieberman try to play to blacks to garner votes but stick out like sore thumbs.

Like you said, without knowing what exactly he's talking about, this is pretty stupid.
 
2006-08-02 7:25:25 PM  
Since when did Jane Hamsher become a journalist? She writes a friggen blog.
 
2006-08-02 7:25:57 PM  
I don't see what the big deal is when using tar baby in the proper context. What's next, anyway? We won't be able to say "fried chicken", "grape soda", or "red Kool-aid"? Politicians use it all the time to describe sticky situations, even the man Dems wanted for president.
 
2006-08-02 7:28:07 PM  
My wife uses the term "tar baby" for a particularly sticky #2.

I tried to explain to her that "tar baby" is a racist term, and that she should therefore use the more PC "Klingons", but she wasn't havin' none of it.
 
2006-08-02 7:36:23 PM  
He said the project was a tar baby, as in things keep going into it and never coming back

I'd still be avoiding the term.

He could have said "money pit" "black hole" "down the toilet"

anything but what he said.
 
2006-08-02 7:39:22 PM  
The blackface is supposed to represent a hypocrisy that Lieberman and Clinton share. They are often referred to as "black politicians" because of their lip service on race issues, while their actions, which are very often anti-worker and pro-corporatist, are much more consistent with the millionaire white patriarchy to which they belong.

It was heavy-handed (and a really bad photoshop to boot) and traded wholesale in the issue of race, but it wasn't racist. By likening Lieberman to racist white vaudevillian players of yore, who made their money off the back of black culture by performing in blackface, the photoshopper was attempting to use an ironic, historical metaphor as a shocking, visual indictment of the disparity between Lieberman's public image and his voting history.

Of course, instead of considering the message of the image, people saw the blackface and knee-jerked their way into calling for the gallows to be erected in the middle of the blogosphere. They couldn't comprehend that someone might be using racist imagery to make a very anti-racist statement.

And no, I'm not DarkBlack.
 
2006-08-02 7:41:58 PM  
Politician.

Journalist.

end of discussion.

\i said END
 
2006-08-02 7:46:25 PM  
whidbey

You wasted that entire post defending an offensive racist epithet.
Congratulations.


Thank you for missing the point of my post, or maybe you are just trolling. The point is the phrase "tar baby" isn't an offensive racist epithet to the vast majority of individuals whether they be white, black, or green. It is a term describing a sticky situation, and had no racial component when it was used like in the article to describe a topic, not an individual or racial group. How can you be offended by the proper use of a term? Language is powerful, but if a handful of people has a warped view of the meanning of a word, we should have to avoid using it?
 
2006-08-02 7:52:42 PM  
Given this dual standard, I propose we eliminate the word Cracker since it is both a racial slur as well as a tasty flat bread object.

Are there any more duel use words we need to eliminate from the english language to avoid offense?
 
2006-08-02 7:54:13 PM  
Daedalus27: Thank you for missing the point of my post, or maybe you are just trolling.

No, I'm not trolling, and I did not miss the point.

I just don't agree with it.

Like it or not, accept it or not, the word does come out of a racist heritage, and should be avoided, especially by high-profile public servants like a governor.

There is no need to use the term "tarbaby." None. It should be retired from the English language.
 
2006-08-02 7:54:51 PM  
I've had the same problem as the "tar baby" thing when I use the expression "in a coon's age". I had a couple of people tell me that I shouldn't use the term because it is racist.

I did some research and found that it is not racist. It in fact refers to the mistaken notion, in the 1830's, that a racoon lived a very long time in the wild. They thought that racoons lived something like 30-40 years. They actually can live someting like 7 years in the wild.

I will continue to use "coon's age". "Tar baby" has more racist meaning, so becareful how you use it. But in this case, they will never get me to stop saying "coon's age".
 
2006-08-02 8:03:04 PM  
I'm not saying it was necessarily appropriate but here's something.

"tarbaby" is generally thought of as a racial slur against blacks or those of african descent. Yes, it means a sticky situation but over the years it has become more than just that. Even Random House says you shouldn't use the term. This was first brought up when Snow used it in I belive his first press conference.

"blackface" is a term used as slander against someone who's pretending to be black to capitalize upon it for personal gain. It's not a racial slur against blacks but one against those who are not but are imiatating blacks.

Big difference.
 
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