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(AP)   Today Howard Dean: 1. Insulted the PM of Iraq. 2. Compared Katherine Harris to Stalin. 3. Said politics should really be less divisive   (hosted.ap.org) divider line
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2006-07-26 10:46:30 PM  
Hey, he's the head of the Democratic party, AND he wears a shiny tin-foil hat! How 'bout that!
 
2006-07-26 10:59:35 PM  
Totally unfair.

Stalin?

That was an unfair swipe at Communist dictators everywhere.

/guess I missed that bit in this article.
//and the quote where the word 'anti-semite' is used.
 
2006-07-26 11:00:13 PM  
"It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes."
--Stalin

It's called a history book. Giant Napster-based book-sharing systems called libraries have them.
 
2006-07-26 11:25:18 PM  
Howard Dean was supposed to lead the Democrats... so far he's basically insulted and driven away the following - Anyone who is: A Republican, a Christian, a Musliim, a conservative, a white person, a Mexican, an Arab... hey keep going Howie, I am a Republican, so every other group you alienate only helps my party!
 
2006-07-26 11:28:50 PM  
Oh Dean, you rascal, you make me chuckle.

/I actually think he's a really intelligent man, though I often disagree with him.
 
2006-07-26 11:48:24 PM  
Skleenar: //and the quote where the word 'anti-semite' is used.

Nevermind....Saw it on another blog elsewhere.

So.....submitter is concerned that Dean is creating an atmosphere of divisiveness between the Democrats and the Dawa party?

After 10+ days of bombing in Israel, I have heard Democrats (or 'liberals') being called anti-semites so many times I have started posting pictures of Al Franken, Jon Stewart and Russ Feingold and labeling them 'anti-semite' as a retort.

It's funny seeing someone get their panties in a bunch when a Democrat calls a politician who won't condemn Hezbollah's actions (i.e. killing Israelis) an 'anti-semite'.

Would I have said it? Probably not. That's not the sort of thing that wishy-washy people say.
 
2006-07-26 11:56:37 PM  
"Dean said Democrats need to start defining their own party to energize voters and to provide a real message of change."

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"For too long, we have allowed the Republican Party to give the message about what the Democratic Party is about to the voters," he said to thunderous applause. "That is over with."
 
2006-07-27 12:03:33 AM  
Mmmmm, Portman.

*fap* *fap*
 
2006-07-27 12:09:10 AM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: so every other group you alienate only helps my party!

Team ! Team ! Team ! Yayyyyyyyy Team !

Never mind if the individuals stand for anything, just blindly support the letter next to the name, right ?
 
2006-07-27 12:37:31 AM  
No irony I guess between Bush giving Israel the green light to attack Lebanon to uproot Hezbollah and then pumping up Maliki who helped establish Hezbollah in the early 80s with his work in Damascus.
 
2006-07-27 12:39:09 AM  
Good grief, you guys act like he said "YEAAARRRGGHEEEEAARRRRGGEEGHHLRRREEE!!!"
Now that would have been over the top.
 
2006-07-27 12:51:07 AM  
The Republican agenda "is flag-burning and same-sex marriage and God knows what else,"

It's the "what else" that worries me.
 
2006-07-27 12:53:44 AM  
We need a multi party system. Give me like 5 parties and I'll be happy.
 
2006-07-27 12:57:10 AM  
"Howard Dean's divisive rhetoric has done nothing more than drive the Democrat Party further to the extreme left of the political spectrum," said Carole Jean Jordan, head of the Republican Party of Florida.

glad to see talking points memo's are making it to florida still, after the catherine harris fiasco
 
2006-07-27 1:11:25 AM  
Sounds about right to me, what is the problem?
 
2006-07-27 1:16:04 AM  
Stalin on vote-rigging, Iraq's PM hates Jews, and Republicans divide America. So?
 
2006-07-27 1:21:41 AM  
Ya know, I'm not much for liberal or conservative agendas, but as a regular voter, I simply can't get behind a continuously, unrelenting negative message. Every time the dem leaders open their traps, it's to tell us how bad everything is and how much we all suck because they aren't in charge. I'm totally fed up with it. Bitterness is probably among the worst traits a politician could present to the public because it's all about getting back at those evil people on the other side, rather than representing what the majority of people want. Worse, they're doing it to each other with increasing frequency. So much so, that it's looking like there are actually two democratic parties starting to materialize. If they can't get together on their own issues, how can they possibly expect to make any broad progress, particularly if they manage to acquire a majority in either the House or Senate?

I'm not fond of the Republican leadership today, by any stretch, but cripes, I can't even imagine Gore, Kerry or (shudder) Dean in the White House. We have clearly seen how far they sink when things aren't going their way. Not exactly stellar leadership by example or even maintaining composure when in front of a camera, which I think resonates very clearly with voters that are tired of being called stupid for Bush being President. Gore got a majority of the popular vote, and Kerry, who is probably the more qualified of the two, didn't even come within sniffing distance of the popular vote. Gotta say something about the Dem voice as a whole. People don't want constant negativity, and they'll opt for someone like Bush to avoid it, and the lesson still hasn't been learned. Dean leading the DNC is iron-clad proof of that.
 
2006-07-27 1:21:47 AM  
as a conservative, i'm glad he's the leader of the "democratic" party.
 
2006-07-27 1:39:16 AM  
So what did Ken Mehlman do today? Oh that's right, WHO THE FARK CARES?!?!?!
 
2006-07-27 1:48:58 AM  
"People don't want constant negativity, and they'll opt for someone like Bush to avoid it, and the lesson still hasn't been learned."

Yeah, I like someone blowing smoke up my ass just before they boot me over the cliff, that makes it so much better.
You're right on one thing though, there is a lesson to be learned and it isnt going to be pretty.
/howlowcanwego
 
2006-07-27 2:38:03 AM  
Booga booga booga DEAN. Booga booga HILLARY booga booga KENNEDY.

You people are so utterly contemptible. I'm tempted to run for office just to make your lives worse too. I mean who gives respect to yammering dullards? If you're shooting for disgusted pity.. spot on.
 
2006-07-27 2:52:12 AM  
Mordant

Team ! Team ! Team ! Yayyyyyyyy Team !

Never mind if the individuals stand for anything, just blindly support the letter next to the name, right ?


Boy, that really is your schtick isn't it? Seeing as how that is all you ever seem to post. Always just trying to refute anyone you disagree with by saying they are blindly supporting a "team". Come up with something else.
 
2006-07-27 3:15:04 AM  
If Dean's message is that divisiveness and attack rhetoric is bad for America -
why does he use divisive attack rhetoric to say it?
Something strannnnge, there.
 
2006-07-27 3:37:15 AM  
SpeshilEdjukashin:

Howard Dean was supposed to lead the Democrats... so far he's basically insulted and driven away the following - Anyone who is: A Republican, a Christian, a Musliim, a conservative, a white person, a Mexican, an Arab... hey keep going Howie, I am a Republican, so every other group you alienate only helps my party!

Yay, go team moran! Seriously people it is not a game of football, country before party.

//and nobody who voted for Bush in his second term can honestly call themselves a conservative in any fashion of the word. A right wing ideologue maybe, but not a conservative.
 
2006-07-27 3:51:55 AM  
Other than Stalin's quote about counting votes I think that the comparison with Katherine Harris is pretty unfair. I mean, as far as I know, Stalin never wore enough makeup to make a $2 hooker look classy.

/looks like Pogo the Clown...
 
2006-07-27 5:38:43 AM  
McCain FTW!
 
2006-07-27 5:38:46 AM  
Maybe Dean needs to get back in touch with the nice people at the Daily Kos. They seem to have a problem with Israel defending itself too. Is Dean no longer the star child of the Leftwing bloggers?
 
2006-07-27 5:47:33 AM  
"Here's Gore!"
"He's boring!"
"Here's Dean!"
"He's crazy!"
"Here's Kerry!"
"He's boring!"
"Here's Gore again, only now he has a personality and science behind him."
"He's a WITCH!!!"

Jesus fark, maybe the demoratic party should stop listening to their opposition for political advice.

No remotely liberal Democrat will please the cheerleaders in this thread. Hell, probably no Democrat at all will please you unless they spoke at the Republican convention or have spent the last half-decade sucking up to the president. The "other team" can't win in your eyes under any condition.

And saying that you don't like the Democrats because things will just go to hell, or that they'll just be negative in their tactics? That's some Bibilical-scale triple-tardation right there.

/Yes, I'm looking at you, SportingWood.
 
2006-07-27 6:19:42 AM  
The most intelligent thing he said:

"The truth is one of the reasons we're in trouble in this party is we have not tended to our farm team," he said. "We need to get a good bench."

Spoken in front of an audience of businessmen. I detect the odor of meaningless lip service.

First thing you do is get the Democrats who are sitting on the "farm team" down on those local city councils and town boards to focus for once in their lives and actually tend to local business, and stop passing pointless resolutions about impeachment and Iraq and football coaches (great job, New Orleans City Council - so glad you've fixed up all that hurricane damage so well you have time to talk about Doug Williams).

Talk to me about Iraq after the potholes are fixed. And that's fixed fixed, not patched-over-for-the-fifth-time fixed.
 
2006-07-27 7:28:11 AM  
Skleenar: guess I missed that bit in this article.
//and the quote where the word 'anti-semite' is used.


Dean also lashed out at President Bush's Iraq policy and at allowing Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to address Congress on Wednesday, calling the foreign leader an "anti-Semite."
 
2006-07-27 7:28:39 AM  
YYEEEEEAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHH!!1
 
2006-07-27 7:30:57 AM  
Bloody William: No remotely liberal Democrat will please the cheerleaders in this thread.

Actually, my problem with the Democrats is that they are decidedly illiberal. Kerry wouldn't support gay marriage, and every Democratic candidate for a while now has supported big govt and expanded social programs. How disturbingly illiberal. If you guys actually ran a farking liberal, I'd vote Dem.

/No, I don't vote Rep right now either, over similar complaints
 
2006-07-27 8:32:50 AM  
Howard Dean was supposed to lead the Democrats

Chairmen do not "lead" their parties. They coordinate fundraising. Ken Mehlman has zero influence on policy. Howard Dean has zero influence on policy. Terry McAuliffe had zero influence on policy. In Mehlman's case, he cynically and mechanically regurgitates talking points. In Dean's case, he says the first thing that comes into his head, because the democrats don't have talking points.
 
2006-07-27 8:35:10 AM  
Comrade438
Maybe Dean needs to get back in touch with the nice people at the Daily Kos. They seem to have a problem with Israel defending itself too. Is Dean no longer the star child of the Leftwing bloggers?


I thought the same thing after I heard his comments. Surely the Kos Kids are not happy.
 
2006-07-27 8:43:46 AM  
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2006-07-27 8:49:46 AM  
Comrade438: Maybe Dean needs to get back in touch with the nice people at the Daily Kos. They seem to have a problem with Israel defending itself too. Is Dean no longer the star child of the Leftwing bloggers?

Are you just angy Dean has stolen your word to bludgeon Democrats with?

/please also define your term 'defending itself'. I know precious few people who have any problem with any country 'defending itself'. Invading another country's territory and launching air strikes against civilian targets (like airports) tends to make the burden of proof higher to anyone except an ideologue
 
2006-07-27 8:52:14 AM  

"The truth is one of the reasons we're in trouble in this party is we have not tended to our farm team," he said. "We need to get a good bench."


The reason the Democrats are in trouble is like Sloth said that they have yet to actaully stand up for something. If the Democrats actually attempted to motivate their base, instead of being embarrassed of it, then we would have a much better chance at getting something done. The Democrats need someone like a new Paul Wellstone, someone who is not afraid to stand up and say, "I am for A, B, C, and D, and if you vote for me, I will stand for those things."

People respected that, instead of vote for me because we cant be as bad as the other guy.
 
2006-07-27 8:52:26 AM  
SpeshilEdjukashin
Howard Dean was supposed to lead the Democrats... so far he's basically insulted and driven away the following

Bzzzt! wrong! He organizes the party infrastructure and funding. On that count he has been incredible, raising more money in an off year election cycle than any other party chairman in the past 10 years... and organizing grassroots organizations in so-called "unwinnable districts" forcing the RNC to spend their money much more broadly than they have had to in the past... and in return this is eroding Republican coffers in the coming election.
 
2006-07-27 8:55:53 AM  
Quote from Howard Dean:

"This is not Russia and she is not Stalin."

So am I supposed to be mad he said Harris is not Stalin?
 
2006-07-27 9:02:18 AM  
orrinbloquy: "It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes."
--Stalin


This guy disagrees:

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2006-07-27 9:15:00 AM  
spamdog

Nah see that is the problem. I worked on Kerry's campaign last year doing research, and we had more than enough to hit them with after the swiftboats ads, but it was the parties inability to stand up for what is right, and to fight back that killed that campaign. It isn't htat righty wing hysteria always wins, its (and this is speaking purly politically, not saying its morally right or in the best interest of the country) that the democrats are too scared to start spinning things themselves.
 
2006-07-27 9:15:45 AM  
anyone have an extra /b tag???
 
2006-07-27 9:24:21 AM  
Dean made some very valid points in that speech.

I can only assume most of you jumping in the "OMG! Dean is st00pid!" bandwagon didn't RTFA. You people are sad, pathetic, and ignorant.
 
2006-07-27 9:24:29 AM  
We saw the money moving, and we saw what was going on. We had a response ready, but nothing was done with it because "we dont need to answer this kind of attack."
 
2006-07-27 9:39:41 AM  
I think we missed an excellent when Dean was not elected Prez. Can you imagine the two of these guys in the same room at the same time??? Comic gold

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2006-07-27 9:43:45 AM  
"Divisive"? No, Democrats are just now finally waking up. For far too long they've been looking to win the game of marbles that is politics, whereas Republicans have been looking to take the marbles before the game is over, cockpunch the Democrats, take their girlfriends and go home.

The Democrats' trouble now that they're realizing that the rules have changed is that Republicans are exceedingly good at this new game.
 
2006-07-27 10:02:21 AM  
Compared to twits like Frist, Santorum, Inhofe, and maaaaany others... yeah, Dean's pretty damn tame.

"YEEEEEEEARGH! The Iraqi prime minister is anti-semetic!"

is still more sane than

"YEEEEEEEARGH! Stem cell research makes embryo Jesus cry!"

or

"YEEEEEEEARGH! Gay marriage will have people farking box turtles!"
 
2006-07-27 10:02:22 AM  
Well, I'm not a big fan of Dean, but Katherine Harris is pretty farkin' evil/stupid.
 
2006-07-27 10:07:56 AM  
Is it just me, or are these "LOL Dean si KRazy!!11!" threads getting lamer?
 
2006-07-27 10:14:49 AM  
<clicks on story>

Ctrl-F "Harris"

**** Finished Searching Document: No Matches

Ctrl-F "Stalin"

**** Finished Searching Document: No Matches


WTF???
 
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