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(Some Guy)   Professors pushing the "grammar is dead" movement, claiming grammar is "chauvanistic," discover to their horror that they have to read papers written by students who don't know any grammar   ( divider line
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13999 clicks; posted to Main » on 22 Jul 2006 at 3:10 PM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook

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2006-07-22 1:08:54 PM  
2006-07-22 1:09:43 PM  
If you're going to be snarky, it helps to spell "chauvinistic" correctly.
2006-07-22 1:15:38 PM  
I am speechless.
2006-07-22 1:16:02 PM  
2006-07-22 1:19:52 PM  
I stopped reading at "the academic left."
2006-07-22 1:21:55 PM  
I stopped reading at the picture of SuperDork.
2006-07-22 1:33:17 PM  
I would generally concur that grammer is a problem. Last night on the Yahoo! answers board, the majority of people writing never used proper punctuation.

I, being the snarky bastard that I am, replied with correct answers...sans punctuation. If they can read it, then they have their answer. If they cannot, then their computer is toast.
2006-07-22 1:44:54 PM  
Motor_Head: I would generally concur that grammer is a problem.

so is spelling
2006-07-22 1:44:56 PM  
"2006-07-22 01:33:17 PM Motor_Head [TotalFark]

I would generally concur that grammer is a problem."

Spelling isn't an issue?
2006-07-22 1:55:06 PM  
Motor_Head: I would generally concur that grammer is a problem.

Yeah, kill that pompous jackass! Frasier sucked! And he almost ruined the last X-Men movie.
2006-07-22 2:52:20 PM  
MmmGravy: I stopped reading at "the academic left."

How often do you hear of proper grammar referred to as "hegmonic" by "the academic right"?
2006-07-22 3:01:34 PM  
"hegmonic" by "the academic right"?

Do you mean hegemonic?
2006-07-22 3:08:59 PM  
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"Why yes, I would hit that."
2006-07-22 3:14:27 PM  
by "the academic right"?

About as often as you hear about the academic right at all?
2006-07-22 3:15:36 PM  
What up with that?
2006-07-22 3:16:41 PM  
MmmGravy [TotalFark]

I stopped reading at "the academic left."

I did the same. I don't read propaganda on Saturdays.
2006-07-22 3:18:52 PM  
Oh yeah, the CRO; inject right-wing ideology into ordinary classroom instruction.

2006-07-22 3:19:06 PM  
2006-07-22 3:19:27 PM  
I haven't even RTFA yet. I just saw this....
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and got a surprisingly strong urge to punch that smug jackass squarley in the face.
2006-07-22 3:19:59 PM  
Gramma trifecta in play...

2006-07-22 3:20:06 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: by "the academic right"?

You mean supporters of intelligent design?

Ruler-wielding nuns?

Ms. Teasdale, my humorless kindergarten teacher?
2006-07-22 3:20:50 PM  
Motor_Head [TotalFark]

I would generally concur that grammer(sp) is a problem. Last night on the Yahoo! answers board, the majority of people writing never used proper punctuation.

I,(can't add a sub sentance after one word) being the snarky bastard that I am, replied with correct answers...(this is not a correct use)sans punctuation. If they can read it,(comma not needed) then they have their answer. If they cannot(two words or use can't), then their computer is toast.

I still got your point though. Get mine?
2006-07-22 3:20:51 PM  
Oh God, it's worse than you think; they're in cahoots with the Intelligent Design wingnuts.

2006-07-22 3:21:06 PM  
I'm going to go ahead and call shenanigans on this article.
2006-07-22 3:23:31 PM  
plueballs: cannot

"Cannot" actualy is a word.
2006-07-22 3:24:53 PM  
I'm as academic-leftish as they come. The CROs of the world would have you believe that that means I'm a snooty asshole, and they're right (although not for the right reasons). So speaking on behalf of my comrades--all of my comrades--there is nothing that makes a snooty asshole academic happier than teeing off on incompetent undergrad writing.

In our defense, we're doing a pretty good job teaching them in college the writing skills they should have learned by the ninth grade. A lot of us care deeply about producing well-rounded, critical-thinking educated young adults. But those first few papers of freshman comp--well, we're just sitting in our beds with a red pen in one hand and a vibrator in the other.
2006-07-22 3:25:03 PM  
Hi Sav, didn't I email you with a Bible question? Or was that somebunny eltse?

2006-07-22 3:25:30 PM  
I'd like to know who identified traditional grammar as chauvinistic. I'm serious.

I read the article but I'm not sure what it's arguing. Very poor.
2006-07-22 3:25:45 PM  
plueballs: I,(can't add a sub sentance after one word)


/playing grammar nazi is fun!
2006-07-22 3:25:47 PM  
The other day a good friend of mine was lying on his death bed. His name was Fred, and he was a grammarian his whole life. I said: "Fred, are you ok?" And he replied: "I will die soon. Or, I will die presently. Either is correct."
2006-07-22 3:25:58 PM  
plueballs: Guess how many of your corrections were incorrect?
2006-07-22 3:26:05 PM  
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Learn to spell and to use correct punctuation. It's easy and painless!

2006-07-22 3:26:28 PM  
We dont need no education. We dont need no hegemony.
2006-07-22 3:26:47 PM  
Both my Grammers are dead. Both Grampers, too.
2006-07-22 3:27:13 PM  
"I is your president". - George W. Bush
2006-07-22 3:27:43 PM  
I did a GIS for "douche" to find a witty photo to put up for our smug friend up there, but then I got sidetracked by the Awwww's.
GiS for douche:

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2006-07-22 3:27:55 PM  
I saw the bob the angry flower guy at comicon.
2006-07-22 3:28:00 PM  
Dear Plueballs:

Everything you wrote is wrong.
2006-07-22 3:28:42 PM  
Oh, well, as long as we're going to do that, I teach writing at University, and I make all my students utterly miserable with grammar and spelling and usage quizzes and instruction.

We also spend all semester writing just one paper--because it takes them five rounds of revision to arrive at a 101-level paper.

I don't know whose fault it is, but if they get through my class, they know what is expected of them.

CRO can kiss my redneck ass. They're all about more right-wing in-group/out-group attitude policing. Shut up, assholes, you already have 9/10ths of the Evangelicals, all three branches of the government, and the media.

2006-07-22 3:28:58 PM  
?The article ?could ?use? less question? ?marks?.

Is proper punctuation and web page formatting chauvinistic?
2006-07-22 3:29:23 PM  
Larry the Fish:

The original quote scans better:

"Je vais ou je vas mourir, l'un et l'autre se dit ou se disent," which translates loosely as "I am about to -- or I am going to -- die: either expression is correct." -- Last words of Dominique Bouhours, French grammarian
2006-07-22 3:29:55 PM  
The only thing wrong with that post is the misspelling of grammar. In your critique, you misspelled "sentance", and the use of an appositive phrase (your "sub sentance" - which should actually be hyphenated as "sub-sentence") is perfectly acceptable after a single word. Furthermore, cannot is a single word. Look it up.

Next time you try to be snarky, try to have some knowledge of the subject at hand.

/Sure, I still got your point, but what good is that if you look like an idiot?
2006-07-22 3:30:28 PM  
Whaaat...the question marks are this some magic of the internets?
2006-07-22 3:30:37 PM  
"That will depend on what your definition of is.... is" - William Clinton
2006-07-22 3:30:39 PM  
I could care less about this article. Morans. This is an example of wrong grammar. The correct phrase is "I couldn't care less" . So if you responded to my post by asking me, 'Well, then why did I post here ?" you are a boob. Although the 'moran' comment is correct.
2006-07-22 3:30:58 PM  
"From my conversations with senior faculty at both North Carolina State and UNC..."

Wow, really? She talked to professors at two colleges in North Carolina? That's some thorough research!

So these are the new centers of the academic left, I guess?
2006-07-22 3:31:15 PM  
Does that guy have puffy hair or a huge head?
2006-07-22 3:31:27 PM  
-The spelling and grammar I see every day online and in the real world really is apalling. At first I thought it was just dumbass kids who were too lazy to correct mistakes(often is), but it's pretty universal among the proles. I even see it crop up in printed materials that one would assume were proofread...
2006-07-22 3:31:46 PM  
The site that decries the imposition of politics in teaching grammar appears to have no problem imposing politics in the teaching of science.

The ironic thing here is that if a student in high school didn't get much teaching on grammar, it's not that hard to teach them. But bullshiat like "intelligent design" completely bastardizes the teaching of science, possibly damaging forever the ability of the student forced to learn it to learn true scientific method.
2006-07-22 3:31:51 PM  
Executive Monkey

There's only one ? in the entire article when I read it. To me that sounds like a browser or operating system issue on your end.
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