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(Some Guy)   Credible evidence that Iran is orchestrating the war between Israel and Lebanon to draw attention away from its nuclear program   (article.nationalreview.com) divider line
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2wolves [TotalFark]
2006-07-15 4:27:29 AM  
Opinion piece. No too credible.

Looking to invade Iran submitter?
 
TappingTheVein
2006-07-15 5:01:45 AM  
2wolves: Opinion piece. No too credible.

Hezbollah are iranian puppets. This actually makes sense.
 
The Duke of Carrot Flowers
2006-07-15 9:54:33 AM  
TappingTheVein: Hezbollah are iranian puppets. This actually makes sense.

Oh yeah, the Iranian mullahcracy is at it again. Those damn mullahcracians!!

/fark NRO
 
Skleenar
2006-07-15 9:54:36 AM  
"Credible Evidence"?

Hmm.......

Link goes to an article by Michael Ledeen

Credible evidence submitter is a tool.
 
INeedAName
2006-07-15 10:03:53 AM  
I stopped reading at "moonbat."
 
Skleenar
2006-07-15 10:04:00 AM  
This piece is full of crap:

Sounds to me like he knew something before the rest of us. As well he should, because Iran has been quite busy in Lebanon of late. The Lebanese Tourism Ministry's Research Center announced an amazing statistic in early July: in the first six months of the year, 60,888 Iranian tourists visited Lebanon. No other Asian country came close (the Philippines ranked second, with a bit over 12,000). I don't think that there's enough disposable income in mullahland to cover the expenses of more than ten thousand people a month headed for the Beirut beaches. Do you think, as I do, that a goodly number of those "tourists" were up to no good? Maybe some of them were working for the Revolutionary Guards Corps? Or were Hezbollah operations people? I'll bet you your favorite farm that one of them was the world's most wanted man, Imad Mughniyah, the operations chieftain of Hizbollah, the world's most lethal terrorist organization.

Um, Michael. There are 68 million Iranians. That's quite a lot of people. And they have a pretty good economy--so lots of them can travel.

Oh, and, submitter, what you have here is not evidence, but conjecture. Don't worry--lots of people with poor logic skills get them mixed up.

/Mullahland? Are you serious?
 
TofuTheAlmighty [BareFark]
2006-07-15 10:13:31 AM  
Lemme guess, the article is some hatchetjob by Michael Ledeen (who's never even been to Iran).

*clicks link*

Yup. Thanks a lot, submitter, I'm 20 IQ points dumber now.
 
bheilig
2006-07-15 10:17:52 AM  
Draw attention away? Don't they go on tv every five minutes to announce that they have every right to a nuclear program?
 
SportingWood
2006-07-15 10:39:51 AM  
Duh. Just like Iran sending people into Iraq to fan the flames. The more attention needed everywhere else, the less Iran is likely to garner and the thinner we are spread. And the US population seems to be taking the bait. We must maintain a presence in the middle east specifically due to Iran, and frankly, Iraq is the best place because it's between Iran and Israel. Once Iran is slapped back into line, then we can leave Iraq. Not until. Forget the political BS going on in Iraq (and the US, for that matter). It really is a relatively minor threat, compared to Iran getting nukes. The WILL use them, period. The threat is very real, and there aren't any viable diplomatic avenues remaining, save for Russia making Iran its biatch. We must show that we are willing to go to the mat.

-Wood
 
Skleenar
2006-07-15 10:46:32 AM  
SportingWood: Duh. Just like Iran sending people into Iraq to fan the flames. The more attention needed everywhere else, the less Iran is likely to garner and the thinner we are spread. And the US population seems to be taking the bait. We must maintain a presence in the middle east specifically due to Iran, and frankly, Iraq is the best place because it's between Iran and Israel. Once Iran is slapped back into line, then we can leave Iraq. Not until. Forget the political BS going on in Iraq (and the US, for that matter). It really is a relatively minor threat, compared to Iran getting nukes. The WILL use them, period. The threat is very real, and there aren't any viable diplomatic avenues remaining, save for Russia making Iran its biatch. We must show that we are willing to go to the mat.

Thank you for your invaluable commentary, Mr. Ledeen.

/Didn't you guys get your whole 'invade our way to peace' BS out of your system with Iraq?
 
damitjim
2006-07-15 11:58:19 AM  
Skleenar: Didn't you guys get your whole 'invade our way to peace' BS out of your system with Iraq?

by 'you guys'.... do you mean we Americans? Where are you from again?

/why do you hate America?
 
Comrade438
2006-07-15 1:06:19 PM  
JERUSALEM - A missile fired by Hezbollah, not an unmanned drone laden with explosives, damaged an Israeli warship off Lebanon, the army said Saturday. Elite Iranian troops helped fire the missile, a senior Israeli intelligence official said.

One sailor was killed and three were missing.

The intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information, said about 100 Iranian soldiers are in Lebanon and helped fire the Iranian-made, radar-guided C-102 at the ship late Friday.

The official added that the troops involved in firing the missile are from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, an elite corps of more than 200,000 fighters that is independent of the regular armed forces and controlled directly by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_attacked_ship
 
Random Reality Check
2006-07-15 1:28:41 PM  
So, you mean to tell me that when everyone was talking up how great it was that "We were fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them here" not a single person had really thought through what "them" might really mean to that cunning little plan?

More brilliant planning sees the light of day.
 
twilson2
2006-07-15 1:57:18 PM  
This is at least as credible as the WMD's in Iraq.
 
chuggernaught
2006-07-15 2:43:08 PM  
Credible evidence that neocons are probing for reasons to invade Iran.

/I believe that was how the headline should have read.
 
Kurmudgeon
2006-07-15 2:52:29 PM  
"More brilliant planning sees the light of day."
They were more concerned with raiding the treasury, you have to pardon them if their greed distracted them from all the finer points.
 
Tabatha Static
2006-07-15 3:51:51 PM  
When the NRO Ledeen piece was greenlighted 2 days ago, I said this:

Preposterous.

Why aren't these shrill shills ever called out as the conspiracy-theorist that they are?

On second thought, Ledeen's record is one of being more of a liar than a paranoid. As someone said upthread, he's a commissar for the PNAC.

I say it again.
 
TANJIAN
2006-07-15 4:06:45 PM  
2006-07-15 01:06:19 PMComrade438


JERUSALEM - A missile fired by Hezbollah, not an unmanned drone laden with explosives, damaged an Israeli warship off Lebanon, the army said Saturday. Elite Iranian troops helped fire the missile, a senior Israeli intelligence official said.

One sailor was killed and three were missing.

The intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information, said about 100 Iranian soldiers are in Lebanon and helped fire the Iranian-made, radar-guided C-102 at the ship late Friday.

The official added that the troops involved in firing the missile are from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, an elite corps of more than 200,000 fighters that is independent of the regular armed forces and controlled directly by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.


Israel needs to finish the job & promote world peace by blasting Iran back beyond the stone age .
Iran is a leading sponsor of terrorism .
The world would enjoy more peaceful times if Iran was reduced to rubble & stayed that way for afew yrs .
 
LadyHawke
2006-07-15 4:10:56 PM  
Iran has been behind or funding a lot of terrorist organizations and activities (read See No Evil by Robert Baer), so this is quite probable in my opinion.
 
Random Reality Check
2006-07-15 4:25:24 PM  
TANJIAN,

Let's see, you are citing a Yahoo news article that quoted an anonymous Israeli intelligence official (someone who we can be assured has never lied) as saying, first, there are 100 Iranian soldiers in Lebanon (yet he can't produce one) and second, these Iranians "helped" fire the missile that hit their warship.

But somehow you don't have any cause to question that pile of crap.

And nothing creates peace like "blasting a country into the stone age" as would killing a few hundred thousand innocent civilians in that bloodbath.

Now tell me you are a Christian or believe in Justice. Please, I could use a hearty laugh.

LadyHawke911,

Perhaps this has escaped you, but "terrorism" is the new way that war in being fought. This is very similar to the shift from when men in nicely colored uniformed lined up in straight lines on grassy fields to blast each other into the next life to when we went to trench warfare and then to jungle guerrilla combat.

Tactics change and the smart military organization shifts to accommodate the change.

Those that do not usually do not survive in any real dominance.

See - The Soviet Union
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-07-15 4:48:19 PM  
Random Reality Check: Let's see, you are citing a Yahoo news article that quoted an anonymous Israeli intelligence official

It's not quite so covert--Israel is openly accusing Iran of helping Lebanon:

"The deadly barrages came as Israel charged that
Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards have 100 troops in Lebanon providing Hezbollah key support - including helping fire a missile Friday that badly damaged an Israeli warship. Hezbollah denied it."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel;_ylt=AmVHiKc cXQI2Z78HKWXYises0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
 
Conan the Librarian
2006-07-15 5:10:31 PM  
More comments, this time from an AP report on MSNBC:


"We can confirm that it was hit by an Iranian-made missile launched by Hezbollah. We see this as very profound fingerprint of Iranian involvement in Hezbollah," Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan said in an interview with The Associated Press.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-07-15 5:13:17 PM  
Conan the Librarian: Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan

Yes, but he has a weird name, so I refuse to believe this story.
 
Random Reality Check
2006-07-15 5:16:47 PM  
The CraneMeister said,

"Yes, but he has a weird name, so I refuse to believe this story."

What? No Iranian soldiers throwing babies out of incubators? I find that impossible to believe.
 
Conan the Librarian
2006-07-15 5:32:51 PM  
From another MSNBC article (just trying to edjucate myself here):

"Syria is also believed to have been behind the collapse of a deal that would have led to the release of an Israeli soldier captured by Hamas militants along Israel's frontier with Gaza on June 25."

Does Syria have ANY redeeming qualities?
 
Random Reality Check
2006-07-15 5:44:53 PM  
Conan the Librarian,

I believe that the situation has now degraded to where most of the Middle East is interested in actively taking a shot at the US or Israel. If it were possible to look at it from their side, I suppose I might be able to understand that they are sick of US interference in what they consider to be their region but perhaps more importantly, the hatred they have for Israel is out of control.

Unless I am missing something here, we will see things get progressively worse until the US pulls out of Iraq (and maybe the entire Middle Eastern region) but that still leaves Israel.

This is going to continue to get uglier unless someone is willing to actually do something concrete to fix this problem.

And by fix this problem, I don't mean blowing stuff up and killing people in the name of peace.
 
Executive Monkey
2006-07-15 6:08:55 PM  
Somehow I don't think Iran would become involved in a war with Israel if it was trying not to draw attention to its nuclear problem.
 
Random Reality Check
2006-07-15 7:25:36 PM  
Executive Monkey said,

"Somehow I don't think Iran would become involved in a war with Israel if it was trying not to draw attention to its nuclear problem."

I don't see Iran trying to become involved in a war any more than President Reagan's administration was involved in the war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan - that is to say openly and directly.

This is more of the "How much hell can we raise with the people we are doing the dance with without being seen as being part of the problem" type of thing.

And we set ourselves up for it.

Hence my comment, "We are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here." being exactly what is happening - except that we have bitten off not more than we can chew but more than we would prefer to chew.

This is basically a no win situation for either us or the Israelis. The terrorists are the ones orchestrating how we will dance and we dance. As far as the Israelis are concerned, they can't come out of this winning anything either. The terrorists, on the other hand, almost can't lose. They create a scenario where civilians get killed, relatives want revenge - instant recruits. They win on the propaganda front and as a bonus, they might just be able to hit us really hard for the big propaganda win!

Ouch, we need to be a little brighter when we play this game, Reagan was, President Bush (Sr.) was and even President Clinton was but not this administration. We went in with too few troops, we didn't have a sound plan and we are going to royally pay for this - mark my words.
 
Hogwasher
2006-07-15 8:54:56 PM  
Another reason Israel was stupid to fall for this. They've already lost more troops than were kidnapped in the first place, and killed 80 civilians. 80 times 10 relatives = a new battalion for Hezbollah. Way to go, dipsticks.
 
Jon Snow
2006-07-15 9:16:12 PM  
chuggernaught: Credible evidence that neocons are probing for reasons to invade Iran.


It's already a done deal, boyo. When we sent the CIA in to aid Iranian domestic terrorists, there was no turning back.
 
inFARKshun
2006-07-15 10:58:18 PM  
Yeah, this is about as credible as Fox News.
 
deeproy
2006-07-15 11:04:47 PM  
Nothing credible ever came out of NRO.

Syria and Iran are smacking Israel around through Hezbollah to overthrow the anti-Syrian majority in the Lebanese parliament by provoking a war. This war will give Syria a pretext to invade and retake Lebanon and dismantle the democratically elected government. This will help Hezbollah in the short run (their benefactor back in power) and Iran in the long run (destabilizing that part of the middle-east and the pro-American block). Hezbollah is only taking advantage of the chaos that Hamas has been spreading in Gaza (which is another story that boils down to dog whistle politics).

There is opportunity for America and pro-western forces in this, but not the way Israel is playing it. If we had the forces and will, the United States and Europe, under the flag of the UN, could send a large force to prop-up the Lebanese government, dismantle Hezbollah, and thwart Syrian expansion; thereby encouraging a legitimate democracy in the region. But, since Lebanon doesn't have any oil, you can just forget that one.

Face it, we blew our load in Iraq, and that turned out to be a total clusterfark. Now, all the US can do is stand on the sidelines and wave its finger at Iran. The coming of this failure could be seen from day one of the invasion, and the blame for that failure and all the blowback that results rests solely on the shoulders of the Bush administration. And if you're still trying to defend them, you should just shut up because no one is listening to you anymore (except a handful of like minded grey-hairs watching Fox news, and they're not long for this world).

\I'm out
 
Cyber_Junk
2006-07-15 11:12:42 PM  
Quote attributed to Mr. Leeden (via The Nation, via Wiki)

"Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business"
 
makeminemaudlin
2006-07-16 4:28:26 AM  
My question to the people who really think bombing any entire country back to the stone age is a reasonable course of action:

What about the backlash?
China?
Russia?

These people have nukes for the love of god.
 
ratbert
2006-07-16 10:50:49 AM  
makeminemaudlin: My question to the people who really think bombing any entire country back to the stone age is a reasonable course of action:

Who is doing that?
 
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