What did the submitter mean by "stupid?" That the article decrying this brainless destruction is stupid, or that the brainless destruction is stupid?

This is as good a reason as any to seal the border with Mexico. A very important reason. I think George W. Bush should be required to go down there and personally police up all the garbage. In July. Maybe then he'd take his job as a federal employee seriously for once, the asshole.

Jon Snow: "Isn't he too busy perpetuating the global conspiracy to enforce dependence on fossil fuels?"

???

Jon Snow: What did "enforce" mean in your statement?
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StrikitRich: "Where is the outrage from the environmental activists?"

A good question. Unfortunately, the ugly truth is that most (not all) "environmental activists" are also leftists. This means they are dogmatically pro-immigration - legal or otherwise. It has to do with their dogmatic take on "racism" and "human rights." When you call them out on the obvious connection between immigration - legal or otherwise - and overpopulation and environmental destruction and stress, they go quiet and disappear. I theorize this is because the disconnect between these two subjects would make their heads explode, and so they pretend the connection does not and cannot exist. It is intensely dishonest and absurd, yet there it is.

Actually, the human tidal wave crossing our southern border is injurious to just about every leftists cause - unionism, fair wages, socialized health care, environmental preservation - yet they have this blind spot which evidently cannot be reconciled in their minds. They don't even attempt to rationalize it. On Fark, this dichotomy is met by silence. In person, it is met by uncomfortable squirming and an immediate change of subject. It is hilarious in its own way.

Dogma is a trap, and most people fall into one dogmatic trap or another.

Jon Snow: You misplace the blame. Almost everyone misses the elephant in the drawing room: Mexico. What is wrong with Mexico? Mexico is a land with great ports, farmland, fisheries, minerals, oil and natural gas, forests, and water. Yet for some reason, Mexico cannot provide adequate jobs and incomes for its citizens, who are forced to leave home and work for peanuts in the hostile gringo environment. Why is this? WTF is wrong with Mexico? And WTF is wrong with our own government that it enables the crappy elites of Mexico by providing a safety valve for their dysfunction?

Jon Snow: "We take issue with the fact that a lot of people use the 'illegal' argument as an excuse for racism."

Who does this? I know a lot of ordinary Americans who are tired of illegal immigration, and none of them are using it as an "excuse for racism." All say illegals should be deported, whether they come from Ireland or China or Mexico or Nigeria. In fact, the two ordinary Americans I know who are most upset are Asians - One a Laotian refugee and the other a first generation Chinese-American.

Both are offended and angered that they (or their parents) came here legally and went through the hoops and learned English and passed the citizenship test, but see millions of illegals living in their adopted land with seeming impunity.

No, I think this "racism" thing in the context of illegal immigration is a red herring. For the most part, racism has nothing to do with it for the overwhelming majority of American citizens. Frankly, I think it is a bullshiat charge based on next-to-nothing.

Interestingly, A Cheyenne friend is also against illegal immigration. He is offended by the "La Raza" nonsense. Do you think HE is a racist?

Pbbbbbt.

Jon Snow: I'm sorry you live in a such a bad neighborhood.

But hey, you want to see racist? Check THIS out:

http://www.mayorno.com/aztlan.html

EL PLAN DE AZTLAN

In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent.

Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan.

[and so on]

Jon Snow: I like to point out the "La Raza" stuff when discussing illegal immigration because lots of people evidently aren't aware of this aspect. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that many of the activists supporting the "rights" of illegal immigrants are more racist, explicity and implicitly racist, than the overwhelming majority of those American citizens who oppose illegal immigration.

Some of these activists hold political office, particularly in California (notably the current mayor of Los Angeles), and are former MECHA members themselves or openly sympathize with the "La Raza" philosophy.

Ironic, don't you think?

I find this all quite disturbing. I happen to be a Westerner...born in Colorado and raised in New Mexico and Colorado. I grew up playing with, and going to school with, Mexican-Americans, Apaches, Utes, Navajos, and kids from several of the Pueblos of Central New Mexico.

This "Plan de Aztlan" explicity calls for the seizure of my home state(s) for inclusion in a racially-defined country in which I would not be welcome because of my ethnicity. I would be ethnically-cleansed, and there are members of the Democratic Party who tacitly endorse this horseshiat and/or the people who push it. It is incredibly disappointing to me that the Left and Democrats in America would in essence be on the side of these "Bronze Nazis," to be blunt.

Interestingly, this "bronze race/La Raza" crap falls flat with one of its intended audiences: Native Americans. The Cheyenne fellow I mentioned is deeply offended to be lumped into this "bronze race" and horrified by what he considers yet another invasion of his land. He doesn't identify with any "bronze race," but rather identifies himself as an American first, a Coloradoan second, and a member in good standing of his tribe third.

So, please, when discussing racism in the context of the immigration debate, try to be even-handed. Sure, there are meathead racists who oppose illegal immigration, but remember that many members of Chicano activist groups are equally racist and their movement is intrinsically racist, which the immigration reform movement is not.