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(Some Guy)   Presbyterian assembly considers resolution calling suicide bombing a crime against humanity, but can't get it passed because they're afraid someone might get offended   (headlines.agapepress.org) divider line
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RoboJesus
2006-07-11 12:51:22 PM  
The only people that would be offended are in little itty bitty bits and pieces. Or they're still on fire.
 
Nibbled to death by gerbils
2006-07-11 12:51:27 PM  
yep, political correctness nazis at work.
 
FarkingReading
2006-07-11 12:52:03 PM  
RoboJesus

You offend me.

/seriously, try some deodorant
 
Umblehoon
2006-07-11 12:52:31 PM  
It is a crime against humanity. It's almost as bad as homicide bombing.
 
sumpinaintright
2006-07-11 12:53:21 PM  
I'm offended that you're offended.

/drtfa
 
tonesskin
2006-07-11 12:53:41 PM  
Does Fox News still call it "homocide bombing" because that was some funny, funny shiat.
 
bakarocket
2006-07-11 12:53:48 PM  
Umblehoon:

It is a crime against humanity. It's almost as bad as homicide bombing.

Ha! +1 useless internet reputation for you.
 
wingwang
2006-07-11 12:54:09 PM  
so presbyterians don't think suicide bombing is a crime against humanity?
 
TofuTheAlmighty [BareFark]
2006-07-11 12:54:24 PM  
Wonderful, Fark's now greenlighting crap from Agape Press, propaganda organ of the theocratic American Family Association?
 
infantry
2006-07-11 12:54:27 PM  
i sure wouldnt want to offend anyone, especially muslims and brown people in general.
 
RoboJesus
2006-07-11 12:54:28 PM  
FarkingReading: You offend me.

/seriously, try some deodorant

Figured it was comin'. So which camp are you in? Are you sliced and diced or still on fire?

/I can't help it if I live in a sewer
//It was cheap
 
Matrix Flavored Wasabi
2006-07-11 12:55:31 PM  
What headlines are they worried about? I don't see anywhere where they would be derided for declaring suicide bombinb a crime against humanity. They are in Alabama, though...
 
ygc123
2006-07-11 12:55:35 PM  
From TFA: Eventually, the committee's recommendation to disapprove was voted down, and a motion to approve the resolution was made and finally carried.

Nice work, submitter.
 
Hilary T. N. Seuss
2006-07-11 12:55:41 PM  
As soon as a read "Presbyterian assembly" and "they're afraid" in the headline, I knew it had to be the PC(USA). Those guys have no balls at all.
 
Matrix Flavored Wasabi
2006-07-11 12:56:29 PM  
And by bombinb I mean bombing, I swear.
 
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer
2006-07-11 12:56:29 PM  
Well, see they're one of the many churches that claim to be Christian, but whose memebers are going to burn in hell forever.
 
Jack31081
2006-07-11 12:56:42 PM  
Find me a single woman that is offended by God being called the 'Father', and I will wholeheartedly support the "compassionate mother, beloved child, and life-giving womb"
 
Rapmaster2000
2006-07-11 12:57:20 PM  
[image from upload.wikimedia.org too old to be available]

"But regular bombing is still cool, right? Praise Jesus and kill the homos!"
 
Dead Farker Walken
2006-07-11 12:58:01 PM  
Wonderful, Fark's now greenlighting crap from Agape Press, propaganda organ of the theocratic American Family Association?

Resume foil hat wearing immediately.
 
bjforme
2006-07-11 12:58:30 PM  
Pardon me, folks, but I think the submitter was incorrect:

"...a motion to approve the resolution was made and finally carried."

Seems to me that they did condemn suicide bombings - way to go for that radical decision.

/Nothing to see here, move along.
 
DMW Devil
2006-07-11 12:58:35 PM  
I wonder why they felt the need to call the "father, son, and holy ghost" by any other names? Have these entities changed in the last thousand years? Do people not believe in them anymore and so the clerics have to change the religion to something the masses can decide makes more sense?

//Always so many questions when you try to change a religion...
 
Adman12
2006-07-11 12:59:19 PM  
The denominational leaders also endorsed medical marijuana use and approved the ordination of homosexuals under certain circumstances. And Williamson says the "crazy" goings-on at the General Assembly did not end there. "Someone had made a resolution to declare suicide bombing a crime against humanity," he notes.


I don't think that those first two things are any crazier than the third. They all sound pretty solid to me.
 
Richard_M_Nixon
2006-07-11 12:59:27 PM  
...voted to allow the denomination's churches to use the phrase "compassionate mother, beloved child, and life-giving womb" instead of "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" when referring to the Trinity.
...Williamson feels the events of the Birmingham General Assembly meeting reflect deep-seated problems in the Presbyterian denomination. The PC(USA) is in a state of "schism," the conservative pastor asserts, and the denomination is hemorrhaging members left and right.

BAAAAAHahaahahahahhaa....ha...hehe..
*snicker....

/I have nothing constructive to add to the thread
//But wingnut christians make me laugh
///Now, flame me for "hating all christians" when I specified "wingnut". Go ahead.
 
wingwang
2006-07-11 12:59:42 PM  
RTFA,S
 
the_gospel_of_thomas
2006-07-11 1:00:09 PM  
>Weak troll, Rapmaster2000. 3 out of 10. At least you could have tried to be original.
 
Jument
2006-07-11 1:00:21 PM  
I was born Presbyterian and let me tell you it's farking boring.

Anyways, I vote that we cockpunch these people. It goes without saying that blowing people up is a terrible thing. We don't need a bunch of powerless ineffectual Presbyterians to confirm that for us.
 
dog_opera
2006-07-11 1:00:30 PM  
...he told the Los Angeles Times newspaper, "You might as well put in Huey, Dewey, and Louie."

oh, snap!
 
West_Side_Charlie
2006-07-11 1:01:52 PM  
And the three (persons and/or deities) I admire most, the "compassionate mother, beloved child, and life-giving womb", they caught the last train for the coast the day the music died.

And we were singin'...
 
RoboJesus
2006-07-11 1:02:05 PM  
I just read TFA. "Think about the headlines tommorrow!" "It'll offend Muslims!"

1) What headlines? This is a headline because you lacked the sack to declare something very obviously a crime against humanity to be so.
B) Muslims are already offended by your xenophobic generalizations of them as suicide bombers.
Three) Who cares if someone will be offended? If they are offended, then they are probably a suicide bomber supporter and therefore patently insane.
IV) Everyone already considers it a crime against humanity so why bother voting on it in the first place?
 
HotWingConspiracy
2006-07-11 1:02:35 PM  
This is like sects of christianity having myspace pages.

"OMG did U C wut the Presbys said about Jesus?!!!1 Deys guna get kicked 2 da curb lolz"
 
Adman12
2006-07-11 1:03:09 PM  
Jument: I was born Presbyterian and let me tell you it's farking boring.


My childhood one is the United Church of Canada, a hybrid of Presbyterian, Methodist and Congregationalist. They already have gay (male and female) ministers, and perform gay marriages. Pretty progressive, considering they're Canada's largest Protestant denominantion.
 
padraig
2006-07-11 1:03:09 PM  
I did not RTFA, but :

I'm all against it, just because it would cheapen the "crime against humanity" term. For me, CAM must be defined by its scale, foremost. 50 dead on a bus is a huge tragedy and crime, but not a crime against humanity. 6 million dead jews is a CAM. 1 million dead tutsis is a CAM. 1 million dead armenian is a CAM.
A guy blowing itself up in a crowd is not.

Flame on.
 
RoboJesus
2006-07-11 1:04:18 PM  
West_Side_Charlie: And we were singin'...

Bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
The good old boys were drinkin' whisky an' rye
Singin' "This'll be the day that I die"

/sucker for Don McLean
 
MacGabhain
2006-07-11 1:05:32 PM  
2006-07-11 12:56:42 PM Jack31081

Find me a single woman that is offended by God being called the 'Father', and I will wholeheartedly support the "compassionate mother, beloved child, and life-giving womb"

I knew a nun in grad school who had a problem with it. But then, she voiced concerns in class over the use of "Father" by 4th century authors, so I'm not sure she was all there.
Regardless, "Father", "Son", and "Holy Spirit" are *names*, not descriptors. Thus, "Creator", "Savior", and "Sanctifier" -- or any of the other substitutions -- fail on simple grounds of not being the same part of speech (common vs proper nouns) as the words they're subbing for, problems of modalism aside.
"Huey", "Lewey", and "Dewey", as suggested in the article, actually make more theological sense.
 
Jument
2006-07-11 1:05:45 PM  
Adman12: true dat. I have gay relations who go to a Presbyterian church that is apparently very welcoming for gays in Canada.

That doesn't change the fact that Presbyterianism is a farking boring flavor of Christianity though. ;)
 
DMW Devil
2006-07-11 1:07:00 PM  
padraig: 6 million dead jews is a CAM. 1 million dead tutsis is a CAM. 1 million dead armenian is a CAM.
A guy blowing itself up in a crowd is not.

So how many victims does it take to turn a class action lawsuit into a crime against humanity?
 
Mirrorz
2006-07-11 1:07:34 PM  
Sorry to offend everyone but i just suicide bombed the 3rd floor bathroom. Don't use it for at least an hour.
 
Pyron
2006-07-11 1:08:06 PM  
Does the world really need resolutions like this? What good do they do other than give people the opportunity to grandstand? It is not like people believed that the Presbyterians supported suicide bombers.

As for changing "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost," certain churches use lines like these to support patriarchy, like the Southern Baptist church of my in-laws. Of course, the churches that believe in the inferiority of women won't ever change the line and, if they did, it would not change their position. Personally, I can't imagine God having a sex, so I prefer "Parent," but it really does not matter.
 
RoboJesus
2006-07-11 1:08:16 PM  
padraig: I'm all against it, just because it would cheapen the "crime against humanity" term. For me, CAM must be defined by its scale, foremost. 50 dead on a bus is a huge tragedy and crime, but not a crime against humanity. 6 million dead jews is a CAM. 1 million dead tutsis is a CAM. 1 million dead armenian is a CAM.
A guy blowing itself up in a crowd is not.

Flame on.

I'd posit that any murder of a large amount of people at once is a crime against humanity. The only difficulty is when does it go from a tragedy to a crime against humanity? However, you forget that suicide bombings do not only kill the 50 people in the crowd. The people have families. And they are not the only suicide bombers - there are others. So, I feel suicide bombing as a crime against humanity is completely justified.
 
Rodeodoc
2006-07-11 1:08:18 PM  
WWJD?

Now that the Presbyterians have passed this, I expect Islam will collapse, and peace will come to the Middle East within 40 days.

/sarcasm
 
MacGabhain
2006-07-11 1:08:33 PM  
As an aside on the Trinitarian naming thing, Julian of Norwich used "Father", "Mother", "Holy Spirit" in connection with her spiritual theology which viewed the crucifixion as an event akin to labor. The Orthodoxy of her work, to the best of my knowledge, has never been seriously questioned.
 
BassPlayinManiac
2006-07-11 1:09:15 PM  
we are such creatures od habbit. I mean really, whats it going to hurt if instead of saying "father, son and holy spirit" I say "Huey, Dewey, and Louie"? As long as the passion is there, I don't think god really cares.
 
DMW Devil
2006-07-11 1:10:13 PM  
Jument: I have gay relations

This we did not need to know... :^P

//out of context, man...
 
fappomatic
2006-07-11 1:10:44 PM  
I'm getting a different theme on that article. To me, it says "Huey, Dewey & Louie are going to smoke weed and have a gay threesome because they fell out of the lifegiving womb at the Lay Convention."

Hmmmm...Lay Convention:....Ken Lay? Does this mean Ken Lay was gay?
 
Lafcadio
2006-07-11 1:11:47 PM  
These resolutions seem like some of the LEAST wacky crap that's come from Christian faiths recently.
 
RoboJesus
2006-07-11 1:12:25 PM  
Lafcadio: These resolutions seem like some of the LEAST wacky crap that's come from Christian faiths recently.

Recently?

/flame on
 
noYOUare
2006-07-11 1:12:47 PM  
2006-07-11 01:05:45 PM Jument

True dat. I was raised Presbyterian and used to think it leaned a little more to the liberal side. From what my parents tell me, that's gone down the tubes.

Now I'm Congregational; we like everyone. We also sing The Lord's Prayer, and include "Our Mother, who art in heaven."
 
TofuTheAlmighty [BareFark]
2006-07-11 1:14:14 PM  
I wonder if we'd see such an indignant press release from Agape Press if the assembly failed to pass a resolution that classified assassination of abortion providers as a crime against humanity.
 
rawkus
2006-07-11 1:15:28 PM  
the presbyterian church: not particularily useful against an insurgency.

/ba-zing!
 
Adman12
2006-07-11 1:16:28 PM  
Jument: That doesn't change the fact that Presbyterianism is a farking boring flavor of Christianity though. ;)


It tastes like oatmeal. But then again, Methodism tastes like a Wonderbread and Miracle Whip sandwich.
 
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