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(Some Guy)   John Kerry declares his Senate proposal to cut and run from Iraq a "victory"--because it lost by fewer votes than he expected   (courant.com) divider line
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What Your Dog Wants
2006-06-22 3:49:34 PM  
I'm actually a fan of Kerry's (it's very cold and lonely in this place), but I have to admit I cringed when I got his e-mail today about what a step in the right direction this was. Spin can only go so far before it gets comical.
 
Diogenes [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-06-22 3:54:23 PM  
"Cut and run" is the new "flip flop".

Neither are even remotely accurate labels, but they're both easy for retarded neocons to remember and pronounce.
 
filth
2006-06-22 3:55:39 PM  
For the last time, he's NOT trying to cut and run! He wants us to surrender, I think.
 
drue
2006-06-22 3:56:21 PM  
No bias in that headline. Nope.
 
filth
2006-06-22 3:56:32 PM  
No wait. He wants us to limp home.
 
2wolves [TotalFark]
2006-06-22 3:58:09 PM  
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=2133648

Who is promoting what again?
 
bloobeary [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-06-22 4:01:24 PM  
We can't leave. Iraq still has money.
 
SpongBub
2006-06-22 4:01:56 PM  
Submitter is not just drinking the kool aid - he's snorting the packets.
 
stevecody
2006-06-22 4:02:51 PM  
[image from commondreams.org too old to be available]
 
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste
2006-06-22 4:05:53 PM  
Did someone hack a modmin account or is there money involved? Seriously? WTF is up with these greenlights?
 
BobtheFascist
2006-06-22 4:06:21 PM  
No denying he's got a positive attitude.
 
SSP
2006-06-22 4:06:26 PM  
The liberal media has been brainwashing the masses into believing that there is no good news in Iraq. Well, the truth is it's going so swimmingly that we have actually won the war. It's time to pack up and go home. Why do we stay for a mission that is already accomplished. The sign behind Bush strutting in his peacock codpiece on the aircraft carrier deck said "Mission Accomplished". You have to be retarded to keep fighting a war that we have already won! Kerry is just setting the date for our victorious troops to come home for their New York ticker tape parade...

/put that in your crack pipe and suck it ...neocons
 
mild7
2006-06-22 4:07:23 PM  
Thank goodness the democrats are, and will continue to be, in the minority so they can't make policy.

/cheer American voters
 
FriarTuck
2006-06-22 4:08:08 PM  
SpongBub: Submitter is not just drinking the kool aid - he's snorting the packets.

I appreciate your rabid desire to root for the party affiliated with an animal and a capital letter at all times.

From TFA:
"Feingold and Kerry declared the vote a victory, since their bid last week to mandate a pullout by December 31 got six votes.

"It was terrific," Kerry said. "Several votes more than we anticipated."


Drinking the Kool Aid is a refrence to Jim Jones and his Guyana cult suicides. To say that someone is "drinking the Kool Aid" insinuates that they are tricked into believing something that is not true.

Either you didn't RTFA or you don't know what that expression means.


/not submitter
 
MisterTweak
2006-06-22 4:08:08 PM  
Bad: Admitting the war was a mistake.

Good: Using the mutilated corpses of our dead sons and daughters to prop up a frighteningly incompetent administration and a singularly corrupt congress who would improve the country by resigning, today.

But let's get back to important things: stopping the vicious gays from getting joint checking accounts.
 
tchamber
2006-06-22 4:08:49 PM  
Troll.
 
Nabb1
2006-06-22 4:09:21 PM  
He wants us to limp home.

Regardless of how you put it, this really has become all about partisan politics. The Democrats have a huge stake in painting this as a failure, maybe not overtly, but it would certainly be a political boondoggle for the Democrats if a withdrawal would be seen as a retreat. That's not to say they want U.S. forces to fail, but failure would be to their political advantage, and I think that's why Republican opposition is so fierce right now. Frankly, I don't trust anyone with an "R" or "D" after their name for an honest assessment of Iraq. The rhetoric coming from both sides has gotten completely out of hand.
 
mild7
2006-06-22 4:09:47 PM  
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: Did someone hack a modmin account or is there money involved? Seriously? WTF is up with these greenlights?


Can't you feel it in the air? The tone of fark is changing to better reflect the American public as a whole, and it's a good change.

I for one welcome our new green-lighting overloards.
 
TheConvincingSavant
2006-06-22 4:10:20 PM  
We are so lucky this country came to its senses when it did during the '04 election.
 
FriarTuck
2006-06-22 4:10:34 PM  
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste: Did someone hack a modmin account or is there money involved? Seriously? WTF is up with these greenlights?


Dude, you aren't new here. You should know by now that they greenlight political flamewar headlines because it increases their mainpage numbers.

Some cool but obscure tech article doesn't bring in the ad revenue on a story where every joe-sixpack can pop into the thread and rip on whatever politician they didn't vote for in 2004.
 
Scooby's'pawn
2006-06-22 4:10:44 PM  
Is it because nobody who gets the intelligence briefings actually believes that just leaving Iraq is the correct thing to do? All this talk about just pulling out is political pandering of the worst kind.
 
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste
2006-06-22 4:12:10 PM  
mild7: Can't you feel it in the air? The tone of fark is changing to better reflect the American public as a whole, and it's a good change.

I for one welcome our new green-lighting overloards.

Three basically identical threads green lit within an hour? You welcome that?
 
mofroe
2006-06-22 4:12:30 PM  
Thank goodness we are solving some real issues now a days that the LIEbrals don't have anything but ceremonial duties. I don't even understand why people are allowed to have an opinion when the party they pledge their allegiance to doesn't have any real power. I wish everyone that disagreed with what I think would just STFU.
 
El_Swino
2006-06-22 4:13:56 PM  
mild7

Can't you feel it in the air? The tone of fark is changing to better reflect the American public as a whole, and it's a good change.

Fascinating. A self-described policy expert who is ignorant of polling data. What is your area of expertise, again?
 
Action Replay Nick
2006-06-22 4:15:52 PM  
What kind of ball licking retard do you have to be to not understand that the minority party in a crappy 2 party system can only measure their successes regarding unpopular legislation in terms of how severely/barely your iniatives fail. Victory surely isn't the right word and John Kerry is a douche, but if it got more votes then anticipated, it is a small success.
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2006-06-22 4:16:15 PM  
The tone of fark is changing to better reflect the American public as a whole, and it's a good change.
No. Not enough spelling mistakes in the headline.

overloards
Hey, at least you're doing a bang-up job.
 
Nabb1
2006-06-22 4:17:33 PM  
Action Replay Nick: but if it got more votes then anticipated, it is a small success.

I believe the phrase you are looking for is "polishing a turd."

/Kidding. I think that's actually a valid point.
 
TheConvincingSavant
2006-06-22 4:18:07 PM  
when it did
 
SSP
2006-06-22 4:19:43 PM  
2006-06-22 03:54:23 PM Diogenes

"Cut and run" is the new "flip flop".

Neither are even remotely accurate labels, but they're both easy for retarded neocons to remember and pronounce.

/looks like we need to go back and revise the history books for the first modern president to "cut and run". President Reagan "cut and ran" in Lebanon after 241 American Marines were killed in their barracks as they slept because Reagan didn't want them to stay offshore in the ship. If "cut and run" is good enought for The Great Communicator, why can't Kerry bring it up also...Lebanon didn't suffer by it....
 
SSP
2006-06-22 4:28:06 PM  
2006-06-22 04:05:53 PM 5000_gallons_of_toothpaste

Did someone hack a modmin account or is there money involved? Seriously? WTF is up with these greenlights?

/I think MAnn Coulter is behind it (shown below)

[image from img59.imageshack.us too old to be available]
 
Jon Snow
2006-06-22 4:31:02 PM  
Action Replay Nick

You consistently manage to express what I come into threads to say in a manner which is both amusing and insulting. I like the cut of your jib, sir.
 
ceremony_1968
2006-06-22 4:31:43 PM  
SSP: /looks like we need to go back and revise the history books for the first modern president to "cut and run". President Reagan "cut and ran" in Lebanon

"Modern?" The first "modern" president would be JFK, who "cut and ran" at the Bay of Pigs. Pahk the cah, Fidel.
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2006-06-22 4:32:28 PM  
You know... we should force everyone who hates the idea of a timetable in Iraq to start gambling.
 
Cyberluddite [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-06-22 4:37:52 PM  
THANK GOD THERE ARE MANLY REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS (few if any of whom were willing to serve in the military in wartime themselves) WHO SUPPORT MORE AMERICAN TROOPS BEING KILLED!!

GOD BLESS 'MURIKA!!
 
RocketRod
2006-06-22 4:41:24 PM  
Anyone who doesn't understand what the word "mission" in the "Mission Accomplished" banner really means, ought to get the fark to a library and read up on their Jane's.

And if you don't even get "Jane's", back the fark out right now and you won't get embarrassed.
 
Lorelle [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-06-22 4:42:21 PM  
The dumbass is the one who started this war in the first place.
 
Scooby's'pawn
2006-06-22 4:43:06 PM  
Action Replay Nick: What kind of ball licking retard do you have to be to not understand that the minority party in a crappy 2 party system can only measure their successes regarding unpopular legislation in terms of how severely/barely your iniatives fail.

The same kind of retard that doesn't realize that, in a pass/fail system, failure is just failure? Passing bills is like flying. Either you do or you don't. The important thing is actually getting something done, not trying and failing.

Now, he can use this failure to judge his chances of actually getting a bill passed. He can either convince more people that he is right or he can change the bill so that it will pass. Either one could be measured a "success".
 
patrick862
2006-06-22 4:51:54 PM  
When are those dems gonna learn that democracy means one-party rule?
 
RadioactiveRubberPants
2006-06-22 4:55:15 PM  
El_Swino: Fascinating. A self-described policy expert who is ignorant of polling data. What is your area of expertise, again?

I dunno. Maybe he's refering to the fact that Bush won the popular vote, the fact that republicans took majority control of the senate, and they increased their holdings in the house of representatives.

I would think it's not far off to say the majority of the population agrees with these people, since they voted for them in the first place.
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2006-06-22 4:55:18 PM  
back the fark out right now and you won't get embarrassed.
Hmm....
 
Tabatha Static
2006-06-22 4:55:22 PM  
04:06:26PM SSP:The sign behind Bush strutting in his peacock codpiece on the aircraft carrier deck said "Mission Accomplished".

Peacock Codpiece is such a great name for a band!

[image from i27.photobucket.com too old to be available]

The debut album, featuring the single "Tinea Cruris Über Alles"
 
dedekind_cut
2006-06-22 4:55:38 PM  
RocketRod Anyone who doesn't understand what the word "mission" in the "Mission Accomplished" banner really means, ought to get the fark to a library and read up on their Jane's.

Although I do believe a lot of people use that picture without understanding it, as you accuse, it is a good metaphor. Bush doesn't do that on every ship that returns from every tour. Not even every capitol ship. He did it because, at that point in time, he needed to stress that we had "turned the corner".
 
whidbey
2006-06-22 4:55:45 PM  
mild7: The tone of fark is changing to better reflect the American public as a whole, and it's a good change

SIEG HEIL!
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2006-06-22 4:55:57 PM  
I would think it's not far off to say the majority of the population agrees with these people, since they voted for them in the first place.
You fail at statistics.
 
SSP
2006-06-22 4:58:29 PM  
2006-06-22 04:31:43 PM ceremony_1968

SSP: /looks like we need to go back and revise the history books for the first modern president to "cut and run". President Reagan "cut and ran" in Lebanon

"Modern?" The first "modern" president would be JFK, who "cut and ran" at the Bay of Pigs. Pahk the cah, Fidel.

/I pick Eisenhower for $500 and the Korean War for the win!
 
El_Swino
2006-06-22 5:04:04 PM  
RadioactiveRubberPants

I dunno. Maybe he's refering to the fact that Bush won the popular vote, the fact that republicans took majority control of the senate, and they increased their holdings in the house of representatives.

I would think it's not far off to say the majority of the population agrees with these people, since they voted for them in the first place.

According to recent polls, the situation has changed hugely since the last elections. But it's a good argument, nonetheless. Which puts you miles and miles ahead of the nasty little creature to whom I addressed my question.
 
El_Swino
2006-06-22 5:07:37 PM  
RocketRod

Anyone who doesn't understand what the word "mission" in the "Mission Accomplished" banner really means, ought to get the fark to a library and read up on their Jane's.

Which Jane's? They publish a number of references. It makes for a big section down at the reference library. Care to narrow it down a bit?
 
ericjohnson0
2006-06-22 5:08:52 PM  
Uh...ok.

My circumcision was also a victory because I only lost by an inch...?
 
keylock71
2006-06-22 5:09:29 PM  
And if you don't even get "Jane's", back the fark out right now and you won't get embarrassed.


Is that their new tagline?

I like it...aggressive and edgy...should shore up their control over the impotent, lonely men in the 35-55 bracket...
 
SSP
2006-06-22 5:11:14 PM  
2006-06-22 04:55:22 PM Tabatha Static

Peacock Codpiece is such a great name for a band!

The debut album, featuring the single "Tinea Cruris Über Alles"

/myself, I would probably feature the song "Dementia Über Alles". (crotch rot just isn't that sexy)
 
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