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(Right Wing News)   Is the only solution to the crisis in the Middle East "transferring" the Palestinians?   ( rightwingnews.com) divider line
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2002-06-17 03:46:34 PM  
A butt naked Jello wrestling match between Arafat and Sharon in the desert should hopefully make the whole Middle East spontaneously combust.
And HBO will cover it...
 
2002-06-18 01:58:28 AM  
does anyone else not get the "Joke of the Day"?
(scroll down)
 
2002-06-18 01:59:12 AM  
SLAYERSWINE Your plan to thwart the evil Boobiesers by p05ting f!rst every time seems to be working.

Next, the world.
 
2002-06-18 02:00:12 AM  
Ph4rth p0st!!
 
2002-06-18 02:02:02 AM  
SLAYERSWINE's uncanny ability to make the, er...initial post...nearly every time is both awe-inspiring and creepy.
 
2002-06-18 02:03:22 AM  
There are only two solutions that save Israel from looking lik a racist and apartheid state.

Either give the Palestinians their own free state OR welcome those palestinians under occupation to join the democracy of Israel.


Ask yourself one simple question: What is the difference between the Arabs who are Israeli citizens and the Arabs who under Israeli military occupation. HINT: One group likes to kill Israelis and the other group is peacefull. Answer: freedom. IF they make all the palestinians Israeli citizens, who are they going to attack, themselves?
 
2002-06-18 02:04:10 AM  
U-Hauls or MIRVs...take your pick
 
2002-06-18 02:04:52 AM  
Newsflash: Bomb rips bus at major Jerusalem intersection.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/06/18/mideast.violence/index.html

I just submitted it but it's here just in case you can't wait.
 
2002-06-18 02:06:09 AM  
Devotchka: I don't mean to reduce his stature in your eyes (recall, still, that his music knowledge is awesome) but check out the time of his post.

The TotalFark queue identifies articles which are greenlighted to go into regular Fark. And they don't necessarily enter Fark in the order they were originally submitted or chosen for Fark. This one was picked early yesterday.

So TotalFarkers pretty much can always get in first, and this case, many hours early.
 
2002-06-18 02:06:16 AM  
Strangely, I actually agree with this guy. I don't think that there is a win win solution here. One side is going to feel shafted, and they are gonna try and smash the other side. The only solution is to make the shaftage of one side fast and total, and since no one would allow us to do that to Israel, it has to be the Palestinians. Hell, if either side would stop shooting people up for a month I would have a more compromising solution in mind, but they won't put down their guns, so a solution has to be like an amputation: fast, total, and messy. Only way out at this stage.

Weird... I almost feel like this site has some merit now...
 
2002-06-18 02:07:13 AM  
Fark the U-Hauls

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/NC/mirv/mirv.html
 
2002-06-18 02:13:01 AM  
The farkin Arab countries want the Palestinians stuck in refugee camps so there will always be a breeding ground for terrorists.

Otherwise, why havent the Arab countries volunteered to accept the Palestinians?
 
2002-06-18 02:15:31 AM  
Hoosier:If they make all the palestinians Israeli citizens, who are they going to attack, themselves?

Err.. The Jews ?
 
2002-06-18 02:15:34 AM  
Both sides have to lose equally otherwise it won't work.
 
2002-06-18 02:17:21 AM  
Bleah. The obvious answer is giving the Palestinians a sense that they've got a national future. They have no sense of this, and are taking it out in rage in the now because for them, there's no tomorrow to look forward to.

I've started having a hard time drawing the line between 'Resistance to occupation' and 'Terrorism' over there. I used to be pro-Israeli, now I find myself increasingly pro-Palestinian. Every move Sharon makes seems to be structured to make Palestinians seem less human.

Fark that.
 
2002-06-18 02:17:41 AM  
Drifter: Are the palestinins who are Israeli citizens the ones attacking Jews? I don't think so.
 
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2002-06-18 02:19:05 AM  
The arab world vis-a-vis the palestinians are the recipients of the royal dick in the ass that the third reich delivered upon the rest of the world.

deal with it and force peace already.
 
2002-06-18 02:19:36 AM  
Why would you accept Palestinians? They are FROM the area that is currently being occupied...and by the way, the never ending settlements have a great deal to do with the frustrations felt by the Palestinians. What most people seem to not realize is the Israeli plan to keep taking more and more land from Palestine and make it theirs. So these suicide bombings serve the purpose of taking more land from the Palestinians.

Oh one last thing...if you are feeling terrible for Israel with all the bombings..you should check out the body count ration between Palestinians and Israelis. Maybe then you would understand who is getting farked over.
 
2002-06-18 02:21:44 AM  
Ouroborus...the palestinians already say that they are in a war of anihlation. They desire to be martyrs and fight to the death. The only reason the entire region gone up is that the Israel has accepted the same mindset. Once they do, the Palestinians are farked. In a war of anihilation, my bet goes for the guys the with the tanks, jets, and nukes over the teenagers chucking stones and strapping on exploding vests. There's no peaceful solution here.
 
2002-06-18 02:24:28 AM  
Yeah, people here in the US just don't seem to understand what the settlements -are-. Here's a brief primer.

Israeli 'Settlements' are when a bunch of Israeli settlers get together with some bulldozers, tanks, guns, etc, move into an area of the occupied west bank and plant a city.

Anyone here ever play Civilization and have this happen? You'll have carved yourself out a nice, cozy, peaceful little niche of the world, and WHAM. All of a sudden the goddamn Aztecs drop a city in between your capitol and one of your outlying burbs, farking up trade routes and getting them awfully close to your city.

Now, things aren't peaceful like your little Civ niche. But the Israelis are essentially doing the same exact thing, and have done so for decades.
 
2002-06-18 02:25:05 AM  
Oh my, Cappygoat ...look at that. I'm so disillusioned.
 
2002-06-18 02:25:22 AM  
holy crap these posts always get stuffy. really, who gives a crap? we all die, one of the inevitables, and life is short, another one. i.e. get a life.

*is living for the now*
 
2002-06-18 02:27:55 AM  
this is a fairly interesting and somewhat unbiased article dealing with the whole confusing Palestine/Israel issue and some of the roots of the conflict.

http://www.suck.com/daily/2000/10/17/
 
2002-06-18 02:28:11 AM  
SLAYERSWINE, I thought I was addicted to Fark, but seeing your posts I feel better.

Anyway, I think the lobsters should be able to make a fence to keep out the crabs.
 
2002-06-18 02:28:16 AM  
TellarHK...I'm kind of the opposite of you. I started out thinking that Israel was sticking it to the Palestinians...but Arafat walked away from a deal that would give him most of everything he wanted at Camp David. He's saying it's 100% his way or fark off. Well screw him, too many people, specially kids and teenagers are dieing or having their heads farked up with illusions of martyrdom, are getting messed up just to placate that old bastards ego.

At this point, Israel has nothing to lose in getting rid of Arafat and rolling the dice to get a new Palestinian leader that they can negotiate peace with. They can't get anyone much worse than Arafat.
 
2002-06-18 02:28:21 AM  
The Palestinians can destroy but can their culture create anything?
 
2002-06-18 02:30:49 AM  
Tarvuz "Oh one last thing...if you are feeling terrible for Israel with all the bombings..you should check out the body count ration between Palestinians and Israelis. Maybe then you would understand who is getting farked over."

Can you show us a percentage of Palestinians that were armed and fighting back with rifles or palestinains that were about to blow them selfs up because on the israeli's side i can show you 100% Civilian Casuties A.E They were moms and pops walking down the street or shoppers, not some crazy kid shooting from a window at the IDF!
 
2002-06-18 02:31:21 AM  
Solution: The US gets their farking nose out of Israel's business and lets them take care of it, their way. Let them battle it out and see who wins. I couldn't care less that the Palestines don't have adequate weaponry. They've been fighting over there for GENERATIONS, let them end it the same way they've been dealing with it.

Simple.
 
2002-06-18 02:35:09 AM  
TellarHK: Putting the settlements into Civ terms so that americans can understand them was pure genius!

(sends in a spy to plant a nuclear device) heh heh...
 
2002-06-18 02:36:01 AM  
It's nice to see that Israel is finally building a wall between Israel and the West Bank. While it is obviously not a complete solution, it makes sense. The right-wing Israelis hate it because they think it is cutting off the settlements, and even though Sharon assures them that that won't happen, I think it will anyway.

I hope that with a clearly delineated border, both groups just stay on their own sides. Let the Palestinians prove that they can build a stable democracy with a real economy, and THEN the two sides can talk about repatriation/settlement building (maybe in a 1:1 exchange. After a while, it will blend together and maybe the two states can just merge into one. In, say, a couple centuries).
 
2002-06-18 02:36:08 AM  
Here's a wacked-out idea, instead of blowing up busses and restaraunts, just sit down in the middle of the street when the tanks come rolling in. Refuse to work for the Israelis. As I remember, mass civil disobedience got the British Empire out of India. You'd think it'd do wonders against the tiny nation of Israel.
 
2002-06-18 02:36:09 AM  
I guess Tarvuz has been reading the 10 tips on how to be an Arafat Apologist

Tarvuz is a poopy face
 
2002-06-18 02:37:40 AM  
Mobius: As far as that joke goes, the Navy Chief is calling the Marine Sergeant a pansy because he's never been to sea. Har...
 
2002-06-18 02:38:42 AM  
Thorny4Pie: Does your solution include having Israel get its nose out of americas business and to stop lobbying for US money and weapons?
 
2002-06-18 02:38:46 AM  
The ONLY Solution that will happen:
All Israelis must be Palestinian citizens in a one Palestinian State, OR if they don't want to, they must LEAVE the country they occupied by terrorism.

Remember the terrorist attacks done by the jewish gangs on The British mediators in the 20's and 30's.
Sharon is no more than a REAL terrorist.
There is nothing called Israel! and Israel only have a few years to exist.
 
2002-06-18 02:40:43 AM  
TellarHK Oh sure, bring the Aztecs into this whole mess! I knew there was a connection!
 
2002-06-18 02:41:06 AM  
population exchange, like with Greece and Turkey. but send the Palestinians to France and the Israelis to China, and we just pave the whole area. nice big parking lot. thats what the world needs now. more parking.
 
2002-06-18 02:41:10 AM  
Well, thanks for playing our extremist blabbermouths on both sides of the newly erected fence.

That's all for tonight's episode of "Pointless Flamewar Between Irrational Extremeists", I'm your host, goodnight.
 
2002-06-18 02:43:21 AM  
We hope you'll both enjoy the complimentary Rice-A-Roni "The San Francisco Treat" and Sue-Bee Honey.
 
2002-06-18 02:44:17 AM  
06-18-02 02:36:08 AM Palexc
Here's a wacked-out idea, instead of blowing up busses and restaraunts, just sit down in the middle of the street when the tanks come rolling in. Refuse to work for the Israelis. As I remember, mass civil disobedience got the British Empire out of India. You'd think it'd do wonders against the tiny nation of Israel.


Haha. I can see the Israelis now. "Oh no, they are not fighting back! Well well, why waste bullets? Stab them instead!"
 
2002-06-18 02:45:05 AM  
Hoosier I don't care what Isreal asks of us. I just don't feel it's the US's place to be telling them how to handle it. Let THEM negotiate their own peace/war.
 
2002-06-18 02:46:37 AM  
Palexc:
"Here's a wacked-out idea, instead of blowing up busses and restaraunts, just sit down in the middle of the street when the tanks come rolling in. Refuse to work for the Israelis. As I remember, mass civil disobedience got the British Empire out of India. You'd think it'd do wonders against the tiny nation of Israel."

I would concur, except for the unfortunate fact that the bad blood there extends so deep that a person refusing to move for the Israeli tanks would likely end up a big red smear on the pavement.

Of course, it's all the Romans fault, by expanding their empire into the Middle East and destroying the boundaries of the countries already there because they were "dangerous cults" for not worshipping the Roman Emperor as a god. Damn Romans.
 
2002-06-18 02:49:19 AM  
I would concur, except for the unfortunate fact that the bad blood there extends so deep that a person refusing to move for the Israeli tanks would likely end up a big red smear on the pavement.

Look, these people are willing to die for their cause, right?

When you die by blowing yourself up and taking a busload of people with you, you're not a martyr, you're an asshole.

When you die because you were sitting in the middle of the street peacefully protesting, perhaps praying, you're not only a martyr, you're getting major attention from the whole world, who immediately takes your side.
 
2002-06-18 02:49:42 AM  
Great article Zoomtown.... Eplusx, you should read it. It does everything but call you out by name.
 
2002-06-18 02:51:46 AM  
I agree, Thorny4Pie.

This has been going on forever, and as long as the US keeps trying to be the parent, it will continue.
Let the two fight over the sandbox. The toddler with the Tonka toys will win over the toddler with the Playschool toys every time.
Then, finally, the region can graduate to junior high.
 
2002-06-18 02:51:56 AM  
Nice job Drakkenmaw, blame it on the white westerners...damn it's tough to be a middle class white guy in this day...seems everything is our fault.
 
2002-06-18 02:53:04 AM  
Perhaps I should list some examples:

- The Civil Rights Movement
- India freeing itself from the British
- Tieneman Square
- Kent State University
 
2002-06-18 02:54:39 AM  
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2002-06-18 02:56:33 AM  
Pretty boy with a gun, bang bang fun fun.
 
2002-06-18 02:56:46 AM  
Thorny4Pie: Israel was created with US money. And as long as billions of US dollars keep going to Israel's military, EVERY american has the right to critisize Israel's military occupation.

Whatever damage Frankensteins monster did, it was always Dr. Frankenstein who got blamed for it. It's the same relationship between Israel and the US.
 
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