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(Some Guy)   Nancy Pelosi: Now that Zarqawi is dead we should talk about Iraq. Because God knows we aren't arguing enough about Iraq   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2006-06-09 10:53:55 AM  
"This morning, news arrived that our troops in Iraq have tracked down and killed the evil terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. We are proud of our troops for their tireless work.

Time and time again, I have urgedPresident Bush to present the American people with a strategy to transfer the responsibility for security to the Iraqis and to bring our troops home safely. I support Congressman Murtha's plan to redeploy U.S. forces "over the horizon"



So, Pelosi's message before Zarqawi was killed? "Bring the troops home."

And after Zarqawi is killed? .... "Bring the troops home."


And if Pelosi and Murtha got their wish a month ago, Zarqawi would still be alive, with all of the troops "over the horizon," waiting around in some nameless country or floating inside a Navy ship.
 
2006-06-09 10:56:37 AM  
the gospel of thomas how many times do I have to tell you that zarqawi was nothing and it Bin laden who we should get. Every other fark post before thursday morning was calling for bin laden. Everybody was actively interested in bin laden and zarqawi was never a target.

/obvious sarcasm
//don't use pelosi's words against her, she's a minority and you are profiling and profiling is wrong.
 
2006-06-09 11:01:37 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: And if Pelosi and Murtha got their wish a month ago, Zarqawi would still be alive, with all of the troops "over the horizon," waiting around in some nameless country or floating inside a Navy ship.

Here's a idea: Planes can strike from "over the horizon", roadside bombs can't
 
2006-06-09 11:01:52 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: And if Pelosi and Murtha got their wish a month ago, Zarqawi would still be alive, with all of the troops "over the horizon,"

AFAIK, he was killed in an air strike. I don't know if having ground forces stationed in Baghdad or Kuwait would have made a difference one way or another.
 
2006-06-09 11:03:19 AM  
Did they get the intel about where he was, "from the Air," mediaho?


/or on the ground.
 
2006-06-09 11:09:33 AM  
Yes, by all means, let's have more debate between the Republican plan to free the shiat out of Iraq, and the Democratic plan to...free the shiat out of Iraq, but, like, better, man. Meanwhile, it's absolutely imperative that we ignore the hippies and Libertarians who ask why we need to free the shiat out of Iraq in the first place, though it would be nice if we could get the hippies to keep voting Democrat by pretending we care or something. I mean, they aren't too bright, ya know?
 
2006-06-09 11:11:37 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas

Did they get the intel about where he was, "from the Air," mediaho?

From what I have read, the information was given to us by his own people because he was becomming a problem. Also, didn't Zarqawi only really become a problem for us after our troops got there?
 
2006-06-09 11:12:06 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: Did they get the intel about where he was, "from the Air," mediaho?

/or on the ground.



Actually, it's most likely the combination of a snitch (who wouldn't just walk up to any Marine private), and UAV's...


// my guess... actual source is, of course, classified
 
2006-06-09 11:18:07 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: Did they get the intel about where he was, "from the Air," mediaho?

Maybe they tapped their phones.
 
2006-06-09 11:32:12 AM  
...the Republican plan to free the shiat out of Iraq...
Imagine taking the two Ls and an O from the famous Hollywood sign and installing them them in your front yard... even that giant LOL would be insufficient to describe the response to the idea that we're in Iraq to free Iraqis.
 
2006-06-09 11:33:50 AM  
So, Pelosi's message before Zarqawi was killed? "Bring the troops home."

And after Zarqawi is killed? .... "Bring the troops home."


... this you have a problem with?
 
2006-06-09 11:36:04 AM  
Maybe someone "has a problem" with Zarqawi being killed, and would rather he have remained alive.
 
2006-06-09 11:38:11 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas - Maybe someone "has a problem" with Zarqawi being killed, and would rather he have remained alive.

And maybe your goatmother had some children that lived. Shut up, you farking cock.
 
2006-06-09 11:42:13 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas
Maybe someone "has a problem" with Zarqawi being killed, and would rather he have remained alive.

i'm glad he's been killed, but i'm also sorta upset that his whole rampage was made possible by our destabilization and mis-management of that country.

i don't get the logic of claiming some sort of victory on this, it's damage control. it's like me getting AIDS on purpose and then taking the cocktail and saying, "I won!".
 
2006-06-09 11:42:30 AM  
That stupid comment wasn't worthy of any response, dukefluke. It's just how trolls derail threads and misdirect issues.
 
2006-06-09 11:44:34 AM  
t_g_o_t

Why would anyone have a problem with him being killed? I just hope you are bright enough to realize that it is not a panacea that will end the insurgency. As long as we are there, the insurgency will be there. When we leave, it will be there. We are watching a country in the middle of a religious civil war. The sooner we get our troops out of the crossfire, the better.
 
2006-06-09 11:45:42 AM  
dukefluke
the_gospel_of_thomas - Maybe someone "has a problem" with Zarqawi being killed, and would rather he have remained alive.
And maybe your goatmother had some children that lived. Shut up, you farking cock.


"your goatmother"???!!?? Wow, that is a refreshingly novel comment. Kudos my friend, kudos.
 
2006-06-09 11:47:42 AM  
Of course we should, since seeing how Bush felt about gay marriage being a thin ploy to distract for his Admins' never ending ineptitude.
 
2006-06-09 11:54:35 AM  
giving the terrorists a victory by pulling out the troops isn't a smart move. Just ask Reagan and Clinton.
 
2006-06-09 11:59:09 AM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: Maybe someone "has a problem" with Zarqawi being killed, and would rather he have remained alive.

yeah, the person who has a problem with Zarqawi being killed is.....wait for it....Zarqawi
 
2006-06-09 12:02:34 PM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: Maybe someone "has a problem" with Zarqawi being killed, and would rather he have remained alive.

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Alert, alert, TGOT has discovered Communist islamofascist traitors INSIDE the house of representatives!!!
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2006-06-09 12:06:03 PM  
This is more fun than poking a monkey with a stick just to watch it twitch. Thanks for the laugh, KyngNothing.

BTW, you lose, good day sir.
 
2006-06-09 12:08:29 PM  
KyngNothing: Alert, alert, TGOT has discovered Communist islamofascist traitors INSIDE the house of representatives!!!

Maybe they're the sneaky guys who killed Zarqawi several months ago and kept his body on ice to help distract people from Bush, then miraculously revived him so he could be alive after the bombs hit then mysteriously die later leaving grave suspicions as to why his body was intact at all when his brother owns Diebold and the moon shots were faked and JFK is still alive and so is Marilyn Monroe and Hitler and the Pentagon was blown up by a missile and a military jet shot down Flight 93 and Mikey from the Life cereal commercial exploded after eating Pop Rocks and drinking a Coke.

Or something like that.
 
2006-06-09 12:09:56 PM  
From today's Informed Comment


Al-Hayat says that successors to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi are vowing to fight on. One report disputed that Abd al-Rahman al-`Iraqi was killed along with him, and said he was organizing for reprisals. Another report, from the US military, suggested that he had an Egyptian successor. Al-Zaman adds, that sources close to the Sunni Arab resistance movements, among the the (neo-Baathist) Army of Islam and the Brigads of the 1920 Revolution and the Army of Mujahidin said that Zarqawi's organization, which had announced open war on the shiites of Iraq, had distorted the motives of the Resistance and harmed its potiential. They consider him a martyr, but differ with him in their interpretation (ijtihad) of Islam. One big problem for the guerrilla movement has been that it has largely been ethnic Sunni Arabs, and Zarqawi's tactics made pan-Islamic alliances difficult. The resistance movements appear to hope that with him out of the way, a Sunni-shiite joint resistance to US presence might become more plausible. Al-Hayat says that they pledged "to intensify their operations during the coming phase against the American forces, as a way of demonstrating the true weight of al-Qaeda." (I.e., the indigenous Iraqi movements are saying that Zarqawi's group is not that important, and they will show who has really been doing the fighting.)


The "true weight of al-Qaeda" in Iraq implicitly being "very little". So was it Al-Qaeda that sold him out, or the actual insurgency?
 
2006-06-09 12:11:38 PM  
2006-06-09 12:09:55 PM Robobagpiper [TotalFark]

Oops, meant that for the intelligence insiders thread. Mods, feel free to delete.
 
2006-06-09 12:16:10 PM  
"A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him toward the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2
 
2006-06-09 12:18:45 PM  
Maybe someone "has a problem" with Zarqawi being killed, and would rather he have remained alive.

President Bush evidently had a problem with Zarqawi being killed.

The Pentagon wanted to take out Zarqawi on three seperate occasions prior to the war but...

the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam.

The United States did attack the camp at Kirma at the beginning of the war, but it was too late - Zarqawi and many of his followers were gone.


Zarqawi was in northern Kurdish-held Iraq in the no-fly zone so none of that "This proves Saddam was harbouring terrorists!" nonsense either.
 
2006-06-09 12:24:27 PM  
atate_esq
"A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him toward the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2


To paraphrase Ecclesiastes 10:3:
Even when the fool [posts irrelevant biblical quotes in a discussion thread], his sense is lacking and he demonstrates to everyone that he is a fool.
 
2006-06-09 12:37:48 PM  
BritneysSpeculum:

Zing....ouch. Man you got me.

/If it's Scottish, it's crap!
 
2006-06-09 1:52:41 PM  
Pelosi talking - Murtha talking the same defeatist retoric in a negative, anti-war rant that must impact the multi-national forces trying to do a dangerous mission effectively.
 
2006-06-09 2:01:51 PM  
Zarqawi's death won't make a damn bit of difference, he's already been replaced. I don't see what the big deal is; the problems in Iraq have changed ZERO because of this mans death.
 
2006-06-09 2:10:36 PM  
Zarqawi's death won't make a damn bit of difference


Zarqawi has at least achieved a zero carbon footprint, well except for that whole decomposition thing. but that's good right?
 
2006-06-09 6:11:28 PM  
yem_tex: It's like Bush walked up to the guy at high noon, turned, took 10 paces, and drew him down then and there with his ivory handled revolver. Just give them their moment in the sun, they clearly need it.

Of course Zarqawi's death won't make much difference in Iraq, unless you believe that the insurgency there is made up of "foreign fighters" for Al Qaeda and not pissed off Iraqis.
 
2006-06-09 6:16:29 PM  
Two words Nancy: Skin Relaxer.
 
2006-06-09 6:22:25 PM  
Dear Nancy,

STFU. You suck and are a laughing stock amongst all but the most bleating Democrats. You are the shining example of why the Democratic party has a hard time. You say things that sound like the annoying shrill-voiced mother in the back of the PTA meeting whining about something and coming up with a stupid idea of how to fix it. Please quit and take Hillary with you. Thanks.

Love (not really),

PC LOAD LETTER
 
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